Mikeraz,
I would like to make a couple points,
1. I'm not a newbie, 5'10" 245lbs at 11% BF with twelve years weight training. I have experience with various test esters, primo, equipoise, and TA.
2. I said no "placebo effect", which is when someone takes something with no real efficacy and makes gains anyway. A placebo is something given to a control group, with no effect, in a controlled study. Notice the difference? If one actually wanted to do a controlled study the placebo could be a sterile oil. I KNOW what it feels like to be "on" vs what happens when someone takes HMB and gains five pounds because they believe it "feels like deca".
3. You've been discredited and flamed by every expert on this board.
4. Your "hero" Animal raves about injectable 4-ad suspension on his board and has said he prefers it to TNE. The overwhelming responses from people on his board have been very positive, do a search.
5. Please stop posting your misinformation as some newbie may mistake you for someone that knows what they are talking about.