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Its true… Primordial Performance is releasing a 1-AD transdermal

What are the best products to stack with it? How long can you run it for?

Can't wait for this to come out!
 
what exactly is this new product? how does it comapare to dermacrine? and what is good to stack with it... monsterdrol???
 
The first prohormone stack I ever used was 4-AD with 1-AD.

Stacking this 1-AD product with Dermacrine will give you a solid cycle. I'm thinking 8 weeks would be ideal. This is a must have for those who want to step up from orals before using the needle. Potent stuff.

Looking forward to reading more.
 
Guys this is the product I was telling you about. It will be a topical delivery system. Justaddmuscle will also be coming up with a product that will mix perfectly with this product. Together pp and jam will have the strongest otc stack ever. Of course I will have the discounts as always. You guys want more info about the products or discount for them send me a pm......
 
I have heard of very mediocre results with 1AD.


However I will probably pick this up and give it a try with whatever JAM releases to stack with my M-Drol, hopefully giving me one fucked up cycle. :-)
 
jwo02 said:
I have heard of very mediocre results with 1AD.


However I will probably pick this up and give it a try with whatever JAM releases to stack with my M-Drol, hopefully giving me one fucked up cycle. :-)
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fucked up = a bad thing


lol
 
nice!Being PP a professional company, I'd like to read about side effects, dosage, stacking.
 
needtogetaas said:
Big difference from oral to transdermal bro. :D
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Yes, big difference.

With a transdermal you will be getting about 40% absorbed rather than 8% orally, plus the skin will encourage higher conversion of 1-androsterone to 1-Testosterone.

This will be a very solid lean muscle builder on its own. We are combining the 1-androsterone with DHEA. The slight estrogenic action of the DHEA will contribute significantly to the muscular gains of 1-androsterone. Remember, 1-AD cant aromatize [convert to estrogen] and nether can 1-testosterone.

1-T is basicaly Dermacrine, amped up with a potent dose of 1-androsterone. 1-T will be like Dermacrine on steroids.. and dramatically more effective for lean muscle and strength gains.

Here are the details for those that are interested –

12mg/ml 1-androsterone
12mg/ml DHEA
210ml piston pump bottle [very cool, precise dosing, good for travel]
All new topical cream enhanced with transcutol and DMI for improved delivery
For most guys this will be a 25 day supply

Retail Price - $69.00

-Pp
 
SVPVRMAN said:
+1. What benefits will this provide to the user?
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1-T will offer the following benefits -

High conversion to 1-testosterone
High absorption rate of 35-40% for active ingredients in a topical delivery system
Highly anabolic for quality gains in lean muscle and strength
Low conversion to estrogen
Non-methylated and non-toxic to the liver

-Pp
 
Lets have a vote and see what you guys want to see in this stack. A cutting agent that will give dry hard smaller gains or a bulking agent that will give huge wet gains.
 
i dont even know what this is..is a prohormone or? anything to take as a bridge between cycles that dont affect the bodys natural test functions...?
 
marcu_s said:
i dont even know what this is..is a prohormone or? anything to take as a bridge between cycles that dont affect the bodys natural test functions...?
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Yes, it’s going to be a pro-hormone combination, and it will shut you down like any AAS would. You will have to cycle it, and do PCT just like any other AAS.

-Pp
 
jwo02 said:
Maybe I'll wait for the price to drop. That's steep for a prohormone.
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1-T is expensive compared to other products, but you have to consider the amount of hormone you are getting in your system and the bang for your buck. IMO this will be the most cost effective legal product on the market.

-Pp
 
I can't wait to try this stuff!! PP products just simply rock. I've been alternating Dermacrine and Sustain for a few months, and I've seen results I haven't seen since doing PH cycles awhile back. With NO side effects. And my wife loves Dermatherm. I'd buy PP stock if you were public. . . even in this crazy economy :)

And no, I'm no PP rep. . . I just love their stuff.
 
fromkrypton said:
I can't wait to try this stuff!! PP products just simply rock. I've been alternating Dermacrine and Sustain for a few months, and I've seen results I haven't seen since doing PH cycles awhile back. With NO side effects. And my wife loves Dermatherm. I'd buy PP stock if you were public. . . even in this crazy economy :)

And no, I'm no PP rep. . . I just love their stuff.
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Thanks for the support bro. You guys keep us running...

-Pp
 
Pp, I have a question.

DHEA converts to androstenedione. Everything i've read about androstenedione says that it is highly estrogenic and increases risk of gynecomastia. So, how is the new "1-t" going to have low conversion to estrogen? androstenediol seems to be a much greater PH than androstenedione because it converts to test 3 times higher and has almost no estrogenic effect. Is this an accurate assessment? If it is, wouldn't it be better to feature significantly more androstenediol in "1-t" and less androstenedione? Excuse my ignorance on the subject, I am just trying to pick at your brain and get as much info as possible.

Also, does "1-t" increase the risks of hair loss significantly, slightly, or insignificantly?
 
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Keep in mind, only part of the DHEA is converting to Adione, and only a portion of that is converting to estrogen. [which is actually desirable when using 1-androsterone which does not have any estrogen conversion]

Remember, the main ingredient in Dermacrine is DHEA and it produces some solid gains. Now, we’ve added a non-aromatizing hormone [1-androsterone] that is only going to add to the muscle gains, and make 1-T even less likely to cause estrogenic effects than Dermacrine. [which never had problems with converting to too much estrogen anyway]

BTW, if you could manage to keep sustained levels of Adione in the system it’s actually a pretty potent muscle builder. It was the oral Adione that spiked levels for 2-3 hours that never produced good results.

-Pp


Rikishi said:
Pp, I have a question.

DHEA converts to androstenedione. Everything i've read about androstenedione says that it is highly estrogenic and increases risk of gynecomastia. So, how is the new "1-t" going to have low conversion to estrogen? androstenediol seems to be a much greater PH than androstenedione because it converts to test 3 times higher and has almost no estrogenic effect. Is this an accurate assessment? If it is, wouldn't it be better to feature significantly more androstenediol in "1-t" and less androstenedione? Excuse my ignorance on the subject, I am just trying to pick at your brain and get as much info as possible.

Also, does "1-t" increase the risks of hair loss significantly, slightly, or insignificantly?
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Rikishi said:
Pp, I have a question.

DHEA converts to androstenedione. Everything i've read about androstenedione says that it is highly estrogenic and increases risk of gynecomastia. So, how is the new "1-t" going to have low conversion to estrogen? androstenediol seems to be a much greater PH than androstenedione because it converts to test 3 times higher and has almost no estrogenic effect. Is this an accurate assessment? If it is, wouldn't it be better to feature significantly more androstenediol in "1-t" and less androstenedione? Excuse my ignorance on the subject, I am just trying to pick at your brain and get as much info as possible.

Also, does "1-t" increase the risks of hair loss significantly, slightly, or insignificantly?
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the 1-AD and 1-T it converts to don't convert to estrogen at all, I don't know why chemically, but like some steriods won't aromatize, these hormones don't either.

So this new product is a combo of the 1-AD which won't aromatize at all and some DHEA which will aromatize a little and keep estrogen from being too low and in balance with your heightened testosterone levels.

I can't wait to try it, I'm hoping it works in the body as well as it seems on paper
 
D_Mac said:
the 1-AD and 1-T it converts to don't convert to estrogen at all, I don't know why chemically, but like some steriods won't aromatize, these hormones don't either.

So this new product is a combo of the 1-AD which won't aromatize at all and some DHEA which will aromatize a little and keep estrogen from being too low and in balance with your heightened testosterone levels.

I can't wait to try it, I'm hoping it works in the body as well as it seems on paper
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Yep.

-Pp
 
Also, I want to clear something up that guys seem to be confused about.

Androsterone is NOT adrenosterone (11-oxo)

So again, 1-androsterone is nothing like 11-oxo (adrenosterone). 1-androsterone is an anabolic hormone that converts to 1-Testosterone… very different stuff.

-Pp
 
If I were to run a 8 week cycle with dermacrine for 4 weeks and 1-T for 4 weeks, would it matter which one I started out with?

Would it make sense to stack dermacrine with 1-T instead?
 
How does it compare to what you already have?

I am in week #4 of the muscle stack (Derma, phyto test) and am loving it. Making some good gains and my strength is way up.

I love your company because the products you have actually do what you say they will.
 
Trips said:
If I were to run a 8 week cycle with dermacrine for 4 weeks and 1-T for 4 weeks, would it matter which one I started out with?

Would it make sense to stack dermacrine with 1-T instead?
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Really no need to stack the 1-T and Dermacrine… the 1-T has the same hormones as Dermacrine PLUS a massive dose of 1-androsterone, so you can consider the effects way beyond Dermacrine as far as muscle and strength gains.

You could start out with 2 weeks of Dermacrine, and then switch to 1-T for the last 23 days at 5 pumps a day. This way you only are on for about 5 ½ weeks and will be able to recover faster than from an 8 week cycle.

-Pp
 
PP:

Do you have any before and after blood test results back from your test subjects? If yes, could you post these numbers. I ordered a bottle yesterday and would like some indication of what to expect. Thanks in advance.
 
Mugshot109 said:
PP:

Do you have any before and after blood test results back from your test subjects? If yes, could you post these numbers. I ordered a bottle yesterday and would like some indication of what to expect. Thanks in advance.
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Blood test results from the 1-T subjects? Like during the cycle?

We really don’t have any practice way to test for 1-test or 1-andro in the system. Besides the results spoke for themselves.

How long of a cycle/dose do you plan on running?

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Blood test results from the 1-T subjects? Like during the cycle?

We really don’t have any practice way to test for 1-test or 1-andro in the system. Besides the results spoke for themselves.

How long of a cycle/dose do you plan on running?

-Pp
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I plan on using one bottle. I have had three blood tests and all show me to have low testosterone (under 250). I have never used any steroids and my low test is simply attributed to getting old (35 years old). I thought that your product might help me. I used the original Dermacrine (3-4 bottles)and it did make a difference. I don't have the bloodwork during those periods to prove that my testosterone increased but I definitely felt a difference. The second day I used Dermacrine I had erections one after the other for no apparent reason. I felt like I was in Junior High School again.
 
Mugshot109 said:
I plan on using one bottle. I have had three blood tests and all show me to have low testosterone (under 250). I have never used any steroids and my low test is simply attributed to getting old (35 years old). I thought that your product might help me. I used the original Dermacrine (3-4 bottles)and it did make a difference. I don't have the bloodwork during those periods to prove that my testosterone increased but I definitely felt a difference. The second day I used Dermacrine I had erections one after the other for no apparent reason. I felt like I was in Junior High School again.
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The 1-T is going to work by converting to 1-testosterone, which probably wont show up as “testosterone” on a blood test. Plus there will be a bunch of other anabolic hormones that the 1-T will be boosting that wouldn’t be detected on the test either.

You can expect to see the same sort of benefits as Dermacrine with 1-T but much more drastic gains in strength and muscle mass – which seem to become most obvious around week 3.

-Pp
 
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