Israel and its propaganda war: Its winning

[Fonz]

I still find it amazing as to how clueless some people are regarding the situation in Israel.

Whatever you do, DO NOT LISTEN TO CNN!!

Should be re-named Communist News network if you ask me.

Anyways, Israel gets:

1. Aid in the BILLIONS from the US.

Now, these are supposed to be loans w/ a low rate of interest.
Funny thing is the haven't paid a cent of them. Not even the
interest.

2. Military technology

Now this one really pisses me off.
I'm an engineer and I hate it when people just rip off patents.
The US has given Israel an inordinate amount of extremely
high technology.
For example:

1. All the new parts for the F-15's and -16's
Including the NEW and improved avionics packages.

Every time a new improved version comes out, Israel
gets the parts almost automatically.

2. Radar technology rivaling that of the SPG-62 Radar(Spy 1)
on board the Aegis class of ships.

3. Design specifications for all kinds of surface to surface and surface to air missileas. Also, air to air. And the kicker:
The phoenix Long range Mach 5 air to air missile.

All free of charge........LOL

If I were american, I sure would be pissed.

3. Intelligence Gathering

The Mossad gets pretty much all of the intel gathered by the CIA, NSA, DIA,NDA and several other agencies.
What does the Mossad give them: Nothing.

Worst of all, Israel is a country where the CIA is not allowed
to interfere. Yep, not allowed to spy on because its frowned
upon by the administration. Why? Because they are being
influenced by the jewish lobby.
Does the Mossad spy on the US? YES.

In fact they just got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
A 100 PERSON SPY-RING(Yep, you read that right. 100 people.
1-0-0 people) got caught selling sensitive info to ENEMIES
of the US.

Now, if the mossad agents gave the info back to the Mossad, then
Israel could say it was protecting its national security.

But alas no, it sold the information to enemies of the USA. Yep.
And they're probably still going at it.

Does this seem like a friendly nation state? No.

Its always take with Israel. And thats why people do not like them.

They keep slapping the hand that feeds them(The US) and sooner or later the hand will no longer be there.

Fonz

 

[Testosterone boy]

Hmmm...I do remember a highly successful Israeli strike on the Iraq nuclear development facility.

Seems that Jews are good at taking. I lose money dealing with Jews unless I'm very careful. Isn't that kind of their reputation?

 

[The Almighty]

Great post dude. It is amazing how much the media can effect our perception of something that is actually right there in front of us.

 

[Warik]

Careful, Fonz. You might get flamed into oblivion if someone catches you telling the tru.. err... I mean... making derogatory remarks about Israel.

-Warik

 

[Fonz]

Careful, Fonz. You might get flamed into oblivion if someone catches you telling the tru.. err... I mean... making derogatory remarks about Israel.

-Warik

I haven't even started........LOL

They also control the State department, Dept. of Justice and
can influence most of the OMB.

Fonz

 

[manny78]

If a human being had the same kind of influence like Israel has but on women.......damn he would kick Casannova's ass.....

 

[Warik]

I haven't even started........LOL

They also control the State department, Dept. of Justice and
can influence most of the OMB.

Fonz

It's no secret that Israel controls the U.S. government.

-Warik

 

[Warik]

Instead of attacking the Middle East and having them hate us, why don't we just attack Israel and make some friends in the Middle East?

No more terrorist attacks.

No more increased homeland security spending.

No more long lines at airports.

Cheaper gas.

It would be perfect. Whatcha think?

-Warik

 

[Frackal]

Lets do it!

 

[Drifter]

Holy antisemitism.

 

[The_Mexican]

good post fonz

lmao @ warik

 

[the nature boy]

Instead of attacking the Middle East and having them hate us, why don't we just attack Israel and make some friends in the Middle East?

No more terrorist attacks.

No more increased homeland security spending.

No more long lines at airports.

Cheaper gas.

It would be perfect. Whatcha think?

-Warik

no, that wouldn't work. the arabs would say that we're totally untrustworthy by the fact that we attacked our #1 ally (israel). I propose we attak the whole area, israeli's and arabs included. That'll teach them all a lesson.

 

[blank212]

Are you seriously saying that a country the size of New Jersey controls the richest and most powerful country in the world? They have alot of influence, but you forgot to mention the fact that we give more money each year to Egypt. What do we get from Egypt? The people on the streets of Egypt are the ones who came up with the idea that Israel was behind the World Trade Center attack. At least the people of Israel don't overtly hate Americans.

 

[EngiCream]

Nice post.

I heard this same kind of talk in a class I took this summer. I was quite surprised that the teacher was going out of his way to stand up (somewhat) for the Palestinians. It was very interesting and thought provoking. I really wish I had more teachers like him.

Based on TV alone, one would have to believe Israel is just being picked on by other nations. It's nice to hear the other side of things.

 

[2Thick]

Are you seriously saying that a country the size of New Jersey controls the richest and most powerful country in the world? They have alot of influence, but you forgot to mention the fact that we give more money each year to Egypt. What do we get from Egypt? The people on the streets of Egypt are the ones who came up with the idea that Israel was behind the World Trade Center attack. At least the people of Israel don't overtly hate Americans.

LOL... go back to school and learn something before trying to get into a discussion with the big boys.

 

[Fonz]

LOL... go back to school and learn something before trying to get into a discussion with the big boys.

LMFAO..........

Fonz

 

[The Almighty]

LOL... go back to school and learn something before trying to get into a discussion with the big boys.

Fucker, you beat me to it. I was about to utilizie your "Egypt is 10X bigger than Israel" defense.

 

[blank212]

My point is still valid. Egypt receives $2.1 billion and Israel receives $3 billion. At least Israel acts like a friend to the U.S. Who fucking cares how big a country is. That is American tax payers money of which $1.3 bil is military aid. Does it matter how big a county is if it all goes to their military anyway. What other country gives $14 billion of tax payer money in foreign aid of $ 5 billion is to just Israel and Egypt?

 

[manny78]

My point is still valid. Egypt receives $2.1 billion and Israel receives $3 billion. At least Israel acts like a friend to the U.S. Who fucking cares how big a country is. That is American tax payers money of which $1.3 bil is military aid. Does it matter how big a county is if it all goes to their military anyway. What other country gives $14 billion of tax payer money in foreign aid of $ 5 billion is to just Israel and Egypt?

so you're paying countries to be your friends ? Man that's lame....

 

[blank212]

I 'm surprised you haven't figured it out yet, but money rules this world.

 

[BigPoppaDump]

Fonz, you are really lost...the US doesen't have may allies and Israel is one of our most loyal....I suppose you believe the hollacaust never happened either? Unfortunately history is lost on some of us..

bpd

 

[The Almighty]

My point is still valid. Egypt receives $2.1 billion and Israel receives $3 billion. At least Israel acts like a friend to the U.S. Who fucking cares how big a country is. That is American tax payers money of which $1.3 bil is military aid. Does it matter how big a county is if it all goes to their military anyway. What other country gives $14 billion of tax payer money in foreign aid of $ 5 billion is to just Israel and Egypt?

They act like a friend to the U.S? They spy on us and share our secrets with enemy countries, take our money without showing any intention to repay...if I ever fell into a gaping asshole and the only companion for me down there was a "friend" who acted like Israel does to the United States I would proceed to drown myself in feces.

 

[The_Mexican]

The reason that aid is given to Egypt is to buy them off so that they keep their peace with Israel. Essentially, you can count it as aid to Israel as well.

 

[Fonz]

Fonz, you are really lost...the US doesen't have may allies and Israel is one of our most loyal....I suppose you believe the hollacaust never happened either? Unfortunately history is lost on some of us..

bpd

No offense, but you know what really, really pisses me off?

When people

CONTINUALLY
mention the Holocaust.

All the frigging time. No offense but it happenned 50 years ago.

Anytime they do something, its always:

But we have the right. The holocaust.............. blah blah blah

Its their little trump card. And I am sick and tired of hearing about it.

Know something else?

Phol Pot and his band of merry men the Khmer Rouge
EXTERMINATED over 2 MILLION people in Cambodia
in the 70's, 80's and 90's.

Yet, do you hear ANYTHING about it?

No, you don't. Because cambodians don't occupy sensitive positions in the US Govt.

Fonz

 

[blank212]

I would like to know what enemy countries? How many friends does Israel have, and of those friends how many are enimies of the U.S.. America has very few "enemies" that are actually govts. They may hate us behind our backs, but they act friendly to our faces. And when you are the only superpower with the best weapons technology, the strongest economy, the most GDP, the most patents on new ideas (who do you think invented the first car, airplane, phone, electicity, nuclear power, computer, the list goes on and on) and the best system of govt (perhaps besides Austrailia), people are jealous of our success.

 

[IanStuart]

Fonz, you are really lost...the US doesen't have may allies and Israel is one of our most loyal....I suppose you believe the hollacaust never happened either? Unfortunately history is lost on some of us..

bpd

Ever notice how jews like bigpoppapump love to relate EVERYTHING to their *favorite subject* the holocaust? Ponder this question, could we possibly build relations with the middle eastern countries if isreal wasnt constantly taking their land with weapons and equipment that has "made in America" printed all over it? Ever ask yourself WHY isreal is our ally? Think billions in aid.........

p.s. Why is the property and lives of innocent palastinians worth LESS then that of the jew? Are you racist? Try valuing human life equally for a change.

 

[The Almighty]

I would like to know what enemy countries? How many friends does Israel have, and of those friends how many are enimies of the U.S.. America has very few "enimies" that are actually govts. They may hate us behind our backs, but they act friendly to our faces. And when you are the only superpower with the best weapons technology, the strongest economy, the most GDP, the most patents on new ideas (who do you think invented the first car, airplane, phone, electicity, nuclear power, computer, the list goes on and on) and the best system of govt (perhaps besides Austrailia), people are jealous of our success.

So, you think that because they act friendly to our face it is ok for them to be plotting against us? Man, I would love to meet some of your friends.

Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, etc.

More than just a few my son.

 

[Fonz]

I would like to know what enemy countries? How many friends does Israel have, and of those friends how many are enimies of the U.S.. America has very few "enimies" that are actually govts. They may hate us behind our backs, but they act friendly to our faces. And when you are the only superpower with the best weapons technology, the strongest economy, the most GDP, the most patents on new ideas (who do you think invented the first car, airplane, phone, electicity, nuclear power, computer, the list goes on and on) and the best system of govt (perhaps besides Austrailia), people are jealous of our success.

Phone: Alexander Graham Bell CANADA

Radioactivity: Marie Curie and Pierre Curie FRANCE

Airplane: The Wright Brothers FRANCE

Car: I believe it was Daimler: GERMANY

Computer: Eniac USA and Electricity: Edison USA


Man, you're such a tool..........LOL

Keep on spouting BS. haha

Fonz

 

[blank212]

Phone: Alexander Graham Bell CANADA

Radioactivity: Marie Curie and Pierre Curie FRANCE

Airplane: The Wright Brothers FRANCE

Car: I believe it was Daimler: GERMANY

Computer: Eniac USA and Electricity: Edison USA


Man, you're such a tool..........LOL

Keep on spouting BS. haha

Fonz

Airplane: the Wright brothers USA 1903

Car: I meant in a factory - Ford and the first one was Nicolas Cugnot 1769 France

Telephone: Alexander Graham Bell 1876 United States

I said Nuclear Power not radioactivity : Enrico Fermi and others 1942 United States.

You are a fucking idiot.

 

[Spruceman]

It's OK to be friends with Israel. We just need to stop being its jailhouse bitch. And why refer to CNN as the Communist News Network -- weren't the so-called Communists very anti Israel? Suggest we rename it ZNN.

 

[blank212]

So, you think that because they act friendly to our face it is ok for them to be plotting against us? Man, I would love to meet some of your friends.

Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, etc.

More than just a few my son.

You are saying that Israel is friends with Saudi Aradia, Iraq, Iran or N. Korea? That is the first I have heard of it.

 

[The Almighty]

You are saying that Israel is friends with Saudi Aradia, Iraq, Iran or N. Korea? That is the first I have heard of it.

You said that only 1 or 2 countries dislike the United States. I listed 4 but rest assured there are many more that I unfortunately dont have time to list right now.

 

[Fonz]

Airplane: the Wright brothers USA 1903

Car: I meant in a factory - Ford and the first one was Nicolas Cugnot 1769 France

Telephone: Alexander Graham Bell 1876 United States

I said Nuclear Power not radioactivity : Enrico Fermi and others 1942 United States.

You are a fucking idiot.

Bell? American? LOL

You better not let any canucks read that.......

Secondly, my expertise is in NUCLEAR PHYSICS.

And it was NOT Fermi and others in 1942 you tard.

In 1942, The USA started the Manhattan Project.

A Nuclear Bomb is NOT nuclear power you imbecile.

A Nuclear Bomb is an un-controlled nuclear reaction.
Nuclear Power stems from controlling the nuclear reaction,
and diverting the energy released according to e=mc2
to drive electrical generators.


Why do I even bother with people like you..........LOL

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

It's OK to be friends with Israel. We just need to stop being its jailhouse bitch. And why refer to CNN as the Communist News Network -- weren't the so-called Communists very anti Israel? Suggest we rename it ZNN.

My sentiments exactly.

I'm all for helping a democratic govt vs non-democratic ones, but the present situation is just unacceptable.

And yes, ZNN(Zionist New Network) would have been a better choice but then you'd have to change the C to a Z.

Also, Commies are atheists, so they most likely wouldn't really care about the jews and their religious views.

Fonz

 

[Spruceman]

Actually, isn't the power released by any nuclear device or power plant just a tiny fraction of e equals mc squared? I think I read somewhere that it was less than one percent.

 

[2Thick]

Bell? American? LOL

You better not let any canucks read that.......

Secondly, my expertise is in NUCLEAR PHYSICS.

And it was NOT Fermi and others in 1942 you tard.

In 1942, The USA started the Manhattan Project.

A Nuclear Bomb is NOT nuclear power you imbecile.

A Nuclear Bomb is an un-controlled nuclear reaction.
Nuclear Power stems from controlling the nuclear reaction,
and diverting the energy released according to e=mc2
to drive electrical generators.


Why do I even bother with people like you..........LOL

Fonz

I think Fonz just dished out a cyber bitch-slap!!

 

[blank212]

Bell? American? LOL

You better not let any canucks read that.......

Secondly, my expertise is in NUCLEAR PHYSICS.

And it was NOT Fermi and others in 1942 you tard.

In 1942, The USA started the Manhattan Project.

A Nuclear Bomb is NOT nuclear power you imbecile.

A Nuclear Bomb is an un-controlled nuclear reaction.
Nuclear Power stems from controlling the nuclear reaction,
and diverting the energy released according to e=mc2
to drive electrical generators.


Why do I even bother with people like you..........LOL

Fonz

Go back to school yo fucking idiot.

The NUCLEAR REACTOR was created by Enrico FERMI in 1942.

What is a NUCLEAR REACTOR?

 

[Fonz]

Actually, isn't the power released by any nuclear device or power plant just a tiny fraction of e equals mc squared? I think I read somewhere that it was less than one percent.

Yes.

Approximately 1%.

A fusion reaction is about 10%.

Nuclear power uses fission btw.

Fusion has not yet been achieved.(That is what I study)

Fonz

 

[blank212]

Radioactivity was first discovered by Antoine Henri Becquerel in 1896, so if your specialty is Nuclear Physics, I would hate to live in the city where you work.

 

[blank212]

I'd guess according to you the Russians were the one who landed on the moon FONZ.

 

[Fonz]

Go back to school yo fucking idiot.

The NUCLEAR REACTOR was created by Enrico FERMI in 1942.

What is a NUCLEAR REACTOR?

Holy shit.......LOL

You are stupider than I thought.

Fermi invented a reactor that SEPARATED the different isotopes
of uranium and plutonium.

Hanford is where the first plant was built.

You see Uranium that occurs in nature is a combination of
several isotopes of Uranium. i.e. They all have different
atimic weights. U-235 and U-238 being the most prevalent.

Weapons grade uranium HAS TO BE STABLE.

U-238 is such a material. Too obtain it you have to separate
it from the other isotopes. Same thing goes for Plutonium.


No offense blank, but stop posting man before I embarrass you any further.

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

Radioactivity was first discovered by Antoine Henri Becquerel in 1896, so if your specialty is Nuclear Physics, I would hate to live in the city where you work.

Becquerel had no idea what he had discovered.

It was Marie and Pierre Curie who discovered RADIUM.

The first radioactive material.

They made it from Petcheblende.

Again.....nice try. I'm a veritable encyclopedia when it comes to
Nuclear facts.

Fonz

 

[The Almighty]

Becquerel had no idea what he had discovered.

It was Marie and Pierre Curie who discovered RADIUM.

The first radioactive material.

They made it from Petcheblende.

Again.....nice try. I'm a veritable encyclopedia when it comes to
Nuclear facts.

Fonz

Sorry blank, but even I know about the Curie duo.

 

[blank212]

Fermi moved to the University of Chicago to be in charge of the first major step in making feasible the building of the atomic bomb. In the squash courts under the west stand of the University's Stagg Field, Fermi supervised the design and assembly of an "atomic pile", a code word for an assembly that in peacetime would be known as a "nuclear reactor". Today, a plaque at the site reads: "On December 2, 1942, man achieved here the first self-sustaining chain reaction and thereby initiated the controlled release of nuclear energy." He was the prime mover in the design of the synchrocyclotron at the university which was, at the time of its completion, one of the most powerful atom smashers in the world.

I think Chicago is in the USA. You can get into semantics if you want, but you are wrong about it not being in the USA.

 

[Fonz]

Fermi moved to the University of Chicago to be in charge of the first major step in making feasible the building of the atomic bomb. In the squash courts under the west stand of the University's Stagg Field, Fermi supervised the design and assembly of an "atomic pile", a code word for an assembly that in peacetime would be known as a "nuclear reactor". Today, a plaque at the site reads: "On December 2, 1942, man achieved here the first self-sustaining chain reaction and thereby initiated the controlled release of nuclear energy." He was the prime mover in the design of the synchrocyclotron at the university which was, at the time of its completion, one of the most powerful atom smashers in the world.

Controlled release for what?

1s, 2s, 3s.....LOL

Hell, I can even say that fusion has been achieved. We controlled it for 5 nanoseconds.........LOL

Again.......nice try.

Fonz

 

[blank212]

Becquerel had no idea what he had discovered.

It was Marie and Pierre Curie who discovered RADIUM.

The first radioactive material.

They made it from Petcheblende.

Again.....nice try. I'm a veritable encyclopedia when it comes to
Nuclear facts.

Fonz

Again semantics.

You did not say Curie was the first to knowingly discover radioactivity or Radium. You said Curie discovered radioactivity which again is wrong.

 

[blank212]

Controlled release for what?

1s, 2s, 3s.....LOL

Hell, I can even say that fusion has been achieved. We controlled it for 5 nanoseconds.........LOL

Again.......nice try.

Fonz

Nuclear Power was first initiated in the USA. So you can say nice try, but I am right. You are getting into semantics because you made a mistake.

 

[the nature boy]

you are an anti-semantic.

 

[The Almighty]

you are an anti-semantic.

I hope Im not the only one who got that.

 

[Fonz]

Nuclear Power was first initiated in the USA. So you can say nice try, but I am right. You are getting into semantics because you made a mistake.

I am not wrong.

And yes, Nuclear Power was initiated in the USA but NOT IN 1942.

I'll tell you why:

Hanford only produced 10Kg of Weapons grade plutonium PER YEAR.

They simply DID NOT HAVE enough material to study Nuclear
Power generation via a controlled reaction.

Every ounce of material went into the Nuclear Bombs.

3 Were built. The 2 that were dropped on Japan and another
that wasn't used.

Fonz

 

[2Thick]

you are an anti-semantic.

LMAO!!!

Love the play on words!

 

[IanStuart]

LMAO!!!

Love the play on words!

nature boy actually said something witty, it must be snowing in hell.

 

[the nature boy]

nature boy actually said something witty, it must be snowing in hell.

shouldn't you be in a parking lot getting your daily dose of mystery liquid sprayed on your face?

 

[IanStuart]

I fixed that problem. Won't be bothered by those morons ever again........

 

[blank212]

I am not wrong.

And yes, Nuclear Power was initiated in the USA but NOT IN 1942.

I'll tell you why:

Hanford only produced 10Kg of Weapons grade plutonium PER YEAR.

They simply DID NOT HAVE enough material to study Nuclear
Power generation via a controlled reaction.

Every ounce of material went into the Nuclear Bombs.

3 Were built. The 2 that were dropped on Japan and another
that wasn't used.

Fonz

Hey listen, I am not going to argue with you anymore. I will not disagree with what you are saying here, but in my original post you went through a list and said everything I said was wrong. You said that the first airplane was made in France. I guess you haven't looked on the new quarters from North Carolina (It says North Carolina - First Flight). You said the first car was made by Diamler (which is wrong). And said that the phone was made in Canada (A practical telephone was actually invented independently by two men working in the United States, Elisha Gray (1835-1910) and Scottish-born Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922). Incredibly, both men filed for a patent on their designs at the New York patent office on February 14, 1876, with Bell beating Gray by only two hours! ). You just said that Nuclear power was initiated in the US, which is what I originally said. You made this huge deal about what I wrote and when I called you on it, you started getting into semantics.

I don't want to disrespect you because I wasn't clear enough in my first post, but I'm pretty sure the facts are plain to see for whoever reads this.

 

[blank212]

You said that only 1 or 2 countries dislike the United States. I listed 4 but rest assured there are many more that I unfortunately dont have time to list right now.

I said very few not 1 or 2. There are something like 160 countries, if there are less than 10, that would be considered very few. If 150 out of 160 countries like you or have friendly relations with you, than there are very few countries that are our enemies.

 

[blank212]

I think Fonz just dished out a cyber bitch-slap!!

I guess since you agree with him and he is wrong, you must have dropped out of school before these things were taught. Why don't you pull out an encyclopedia and check your facts before you make yourself look stupid.

 

[SSAlexSS]

I still find it amazing as to how clueless some people are regarding the situation in Israel.

Whatever you do, DO NOT LISTEN TO CNN!!

Should be re-named Communist News network if you ask me.

Anyways, Israel gets:

1. Aid in the BILLIONS from the US.

Now, these are supposed to be loans w/ a low rate of interest.
Funny thing is the haven't paid a cent of them. Not even the
interest.

2. Military technology

Now this one really pisses me off.
I'm an engineer and I hate it when people just rip off patents.
The US has given Israel an inordinate amount of extremely
high technology.
For example:

1. All the new parts for the F-15's and -16's
Including the NEW and improved avionics packages.

Every time a new improved version comes out, Israel
gets the parts almost automatically.

2. Radar technology rivaling that of the SPG-62 Radar(Spy 1)
on board the Aegis class of ships.

3. Design specifications for all kinds of surface to surface and surface to air missileas. Also, air to air. And the kicker:
The phoenix Long range Mach 5 air to air missile.

All free of charge........LOL

If I were american, I sure would be pissed.

3. Intelligence Gathering

The Mossad gets pretty much all of the intel gathered by the CIA, NSA, DIA,NDA and several other agencies.
What does the Mossad give them: Nothing.

Worst of all, Israel is a country where the CIA is not allowed
to interfere. Yep, not allowed to spy on because its frowned
upon by the administration. Why? Because they are being
influenced by the jewish lobby.
Does the Mossad spy on the US? YES.

In fact they just got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
A 100 PERSON SPY-RING(Yep, you read that right. 100 people.
1-0-0 people) got caught selling sensitive info to ENEMIES
of the US.

Now, if the mossad agents gave the info back to the Mossad, then
Israel could say it was protecting its national security.

But alas no, it sold the information to enemies of the USA. Yep.
And they're probably still going at it.

Does this seem like a friendly nation state? No.

Its always take with Israel. And thats why people do not like them.

They keep slapping the hand that feeds them(The US) and sooner or later the hand will no longer be there.

Fonz

The Jews rule America!

America is Israels B*tch.


Oh yeh, Alan Greenspan is a jew so most of US top financial people.

 

[2Thick]

I guess since you agree with him and he is wrong, you must have dropped out of school before these things were taught. Why don't you pull out an encyclopedia and check your facts before you make yourself look stupid.

I never studied anything nuclear and I am not interested in it.

BTW- I pride myself in the fact that I can make myself look stupid at a drop of a hat...it is kind of a talent.

 

[spentagn]

Phone: Alexander Graham Bell CANADA

Radioactivity: Marie Curie and Pierre Curie FRANCE

Airplane: The Wright Brothers FRANCE

Car: I believe it was Daimler: GERMANY

Computer: Eniac USA and Electricity: Edison USA


Man, you're such a tool..........LOL

Keep on spouting BS. haha

Fonz

Shit Fonz. Bell was Scottish, the Wrights were American, and the car part has already been explained. And whatever the case, this is hardly an adequate compilation of great inventors.

 

[Fonz]

Shit Fonz. Bell was Scottish, the Wrights were American, and the car part has already been explained. And whatever the case, this is hardly an adequate compilation of great inventors.

Yeah, I know.

I'm getting dumber and dumber as the days go by........

EF is just killing me.....LOL

Can't believe I'm actually looking forward to University.

Fonz

 

[SolidRock]

Instead of attacking the Middle East and having them hate us, why don't we just attack Israel and make some friends in the Middle East?

No more terrorist attacks.

No more increased homeland security spending.

No more long lines at airports.

Cheaper gas.

It would be perfect. Whatcha think?

-Warik

I was thinking about that too, this is what we get for supporting Israel, Israel has done NOTHING for us, Israel basically is sucking out money from the US which is Israels sugar daddy, and thus with all the money goin away our economy is suffering.

And people dont realize, that one of the MAJOR REASONS WE GIVE MONY TO EGYPT IS TO BE FRIENDLY TO ISRAEL.

Please some one tell me why, we support Israel this much?

 

[SolidRock]

no, that wouldn't work. the arabs would say that we're totally untrustworthy by the fact that we attacked our #1 ally (israel).

Are you kidding me? The A-Rabs would be flying US flags and Western flags, and they would give us free oil, and no more terrorism. Hmm thats a good idea.

 

[ImSoBig]

very good to see, not all people are "conned" and "tricked" by the American Jewish Media.

 

[blank212]

Shit Fonz. Bell was Scottish, the Wrights were American, and the car part has already been explained. And whatever the case, this is hardly an adequate compilation of great inventors.

Not that it matters, but I wonder what other inventions have had such an impact in the world as we know it. In my original post I included alot of the key inventions in modern time that have changed the way this world works. Even in backward ass countries like Afghanistan they had or used every single one of these inventions to some degree (exept maybe nuclear power). Which is why I can't stand all these muslim countries saying they hate America when they enjoy the fruits of what this great country provided.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Atleast we dont have jews strapping bombs to themselvs or hijacking planes....

 

[VicTusDeuS]

very good to see, not all people are "conned" and "tricked" by the American Jewish Media.

I think Spellwin is a Jew

 

[2Thick]

Atleast we dont have jews strapping bombs to themselvs or hijacking planes....

They actually have hellicopters and missiles to do the same thing. Plus they use bulldozers to demolish people's homes.

 

[Alex Cross]

SOME PRO ISREAL READ!

Good gracious.... I feel like I am the only Pro-Isreal, Jewish Democrat in this whole goddamned place!!

Anyhow- FONZ.. I think your a cool dude.. But I have to say that I don't agree with you... It's 2:30 in the morning, and I don't have the energy to get into the facts right now. I am real into politics, and follow it quite closely- as much as my 21 year old beer soaked brain will allow- but there is two sides to every story. And that is, and always is the fact. Regardless.


You see, it seems often to be Democrat vs Republican. Of course, all of the Republicans in all the brances of government are basically "Pro_Isreal." This is because this is US POLICY- rather than a partisian issue...Basically always has been. However, you see the majority of Jews tend be on the left side of the political spectrum, or Democrats (expect for retarded Ben Stein). And you see the white male, anti-jewish people on the right. Now I don't mean to stereotype-.

As Dennis Miller would say, "I don't mean to get off on a rant here,"but I am just tryin to prove how Isreali support is a US thing, not a partisan thing. However, when you look at it as a "people thing" like you and me, it seems to be very two sided. Alot of conservatives tend to think Jews are terrorist and are to blame, yes like ted turner, and liberals think that jewish support is 100% the way-it-should-be...

Remember this guys. You might think that Isreal are terrorist because they blow up some camel fuckers in Palestine...But remember that they are OUR allies... Remember the people they are fighting, even though they might use dirty tactics at times, are the same people that want america to suffer and for our capitalistic society to suffer with great pain. They kill our fucking innocent women in children with bombs and planes. They make millions upon millions of americans suffer. So if Isreal uses some terroristic "type" tactics to fight these people- SO BE IT!

A/C

 

[The_Mexican]

Re: SOME PRO ISREAL READ!

...But remember that they are OUR allies... Remember the people they are fighting, even though they might use dirty tactics at times, are the same people that want america to suffer and for our capitalistic society to suffer with great pain. They kill our fucking innocent women in children with bombs and planes. They make millions upon millions of americans suffer. So if Isreal uses some terroristic "type" tactics to fight these people- SO BE IT!

A/C

Isn't the reason we're so hated by middle eastern countries almost entirely due to our unconditional support of Israel? That's quite the catch 22 you've given us...

 

[the nature boy]

Re: SOME PRO ISREAL READ!

As Dennis Miller would say, "I don't mean to get off on a rant here,"but I am just tryin to prove how Isreali support is a US thing, not a partisan thing. However, when you look at it as a "people thing" like you and me, it seems to be very two sided. Alot of conservatives tend to think Jews are terrorist and are to blame, yes like ted turner, and liberals think that jewish support is 100% the way-it-should-be...

wrong.

There are many conservatives that whole heartedly support isreal. Namely the religious right. 60 minutes ran a great piece on Jerry Falwell and his followers unconditional support of Israel. These people are very dangerous and will get everyone killed because of their stupid beliefs.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/60minutes/main524268.shtml

read the whole thing.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Instead of attacking the Middle East and having them hate us, why don't we just attack Israel and make some friends in the Middle East?

No more terrorist attacks.

No more increased homeland security spending.

No more long lines at airports.

Cheaper gas.

It would be perfect. Whatcha think?

-Warik

No more terrorst attacks? LOL at your ignorance and bias.

Remember the oil tanker in Yemen? French, right. France is no Israel supporter. There was a statement made that perpetrators were pleased that they were able to blow up that "Christian oil tanker".

What Americans often fail to realize is that we are not being targeted for our support of Israel. The extremists that are doing this will attack American interests whether or not we are supporting Israel - it will only make their goal of destroying Israel that much easier.

Explain the 2 plots recently discovered to kill the Pope. The Catholic church is about as anti-Jew as it gets, through history.

If we stop supporting Israel, attacks against America and the west will not stop . And you are believing the Islamic extremist propaganda machine if you think otherwise.

The extremsist factions fromwhcihterrorists are culled hate their own governments as much as they hate America or Israel.

Cheaper gas? LOL! Supply and demand plus production capacity are the only things affecting gas prices. Most oil producing nations (including #1 Saudi Arabia) cannot afford to slow production one drop a day. They need to money to keep extremists at bay.

Sheep.

 

[Fonz]

Sheep.

BLEEP!! BLEEP!!

Fonz

 

[blank212]

No more terrorst attacks? LOL at your ignorance and bias.

Exactly.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I still find it amazing as to how clueless some people are regarding the situation in Israel.

Whatever you do, DO NOT LISTEN TO CNN!!

Should be re-named Communist News network if you ask me.

Anyways, Israel gets:

1. Aid in the BILLIONS from the US.

Now, these are supposed to be loans w/ a low rate of interest.
Funny thing is the haven't paid a cent of them. Not even the
interest.

2. Military technology

Now this one really pisses me off.
I'm an engineer and I hate it when people just rip off patents.
The US has given Israel an inordinate amount of extremely
high technology.
For example:

1. All the new parts for the F-15's and -16's
Including the NEW and improved avionics packages.

Every time a new improved version comes out, Israel
gets the parts almost automatically.

2. Radar technology rivaling that of the SPG-62 Radar(Spy 1)
on board the Aegis class of ships.

3. Design specifications for all kinds of surface to surface and surface to air missileas. Also, air to air. And the kicker:
The phoenix Long range Mach 5 air to air missile.

All free of charge........LOL

If I were american, I sure would be pissed.

3. Intelligence Gathering

The Mossad gets pretty much all of the intel gathered by the CIA, NSA, DIA,NDA and several other agencies.
What does the Mossad give them: Nothing.

Worst of all, Israel is a country where the CIA is not allowed
to interfere. Yep, not allowed to spy on because its frowned
upon by the administration. Why? Because they are being
influenced by the jewish lobby.
Does the Mossad spy on the US? YES.

In fact they just got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
A 100 PERSON SPY-RING(Yep, you read that right. 100 people.
1-0-0 people) got caught selling sensitive info to ENEMIES
of the US.

Now, if the mossad agents gave the info back to the Mossad, then
Israel could say it was protecting its national security.

But alas no, it sold the information to enemies of the USA. Yep.
And they're probably still going at it.

Does this seem like a friendly nation state? No.

Its always take with Israel. And thats why people do not like them.

They keep slapping the hand that feeds them(The US) and sooner or later the hand will no longer be there.

Fonz

Wow! Don't listen to CNN. What a revolutionary concept. Several nations get aid in Billions from the US. Ho-hum. Pakistan recently got massive loan forgiveness. US buys cooperation. We know. Yawn

Israel actually provides the US with a lot of OUR military technology, not vice versa. An engineer like you should appreciate that. Moreover, a Brit like you should really appreciate teh jews who invented the atomic bomb, sparing the UK from German annexation. (Inevitable if the Nazis got the bomb first)

Since you haven't served in the US services I will spare you the long talk. A lot of our cutting edge stuff is Israeli designed, especially in the area of urban combat equipment.

As for buying weapons, I'm popping your bubble there too. Saudi Arabia has spent $270BILLION on American made weapons since the end fo the Gulf war, over 10 times what israel spends. Most of what Saudiboughtis planes and tanks, with teh same cuting edge avionics that the Israelis have.

FYI US arms manufacturers have guidelines as to what they can and cannot sell to other nations. Israel and Saudi are classified the same for those purposes, and are entitled to buy the same systems. All the stuff you mentioned is available for purchase by Saudi Arabia and other friendly nations.

Was that spy ring an agency ofteh Israeli government? Or was it a coroporation with no governmental affiliation.

hate Israel. You;re allowed - I don't care. But get your facts straight.

Out to the pasture with Warik, sheep.

 

[Fonz]

Re: Re: Israel and its propaganda war: Its winning

Wow! Don't listen to CNN. What a revolutionary concept. Several nations get aid in Billions from the US. Ho-hum. Pakistan recently got massive loan forgiveness. US buys cooperation. We know. Yawn

Israel actually provides the US with a lot of OUR military technology, not vice versa. An engineer like you should appreciate that. Moreover, a Brit like you should really appreciate teh jews who invented the atomic bomb, sparing the UK from German annexation. (Inevitable if the Nazis got the bomb first)

Since you haven't served in the US services I will spare you the long talk. A lot of our cutting edge stuff is Israeli designed, especially in the area of urban combat equipment.

As for buying weapons, I'm popping your bubble there too. Saudi Arabia has spent $270BILLION on American made weapons since the end fo the Gulf war, over 10 times what israel spends. Most of what Saudiboughtis planes and tanks, with teh same cuting edge avionics that the Israelis have.

FYI US arms manufacturers have guidelines as to what they can and cannot sell to other nations. Israel and Saudi are classified the same for those purposes, and are entitled to buy the same systems. All the stuff you mentioned is available for purchase by Saudi Arabia and other friendly nations.

Was that spy ring an agency ofteh Israeli government? Or was it a coroporation with no governmental affiliation.

hate Israel. You;re allowed - I don't care. But get your facts straight.

Out to the pasture with Warik, sheep.

Hehe....Matt is flustered.

And no, I don't hate Israel.

I'm actually pro-help them because they are the only democracy in that god forsaken place called the middle east.

I just disagree with their attitude and methods.

They have a very US and THEM attitude. Front line grunt if you ask me.

That has to change if their ever going to ameliorate their
present situation.

Oh yeah....

SHEEP.

Fonz

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Its their little trump card. And I am sick and tired of hearing about it.

Know something else?

Phol Pot and his band of merry men the Khmer Rouge
EXTERMINATED over 2 MILLION people in Cambodia
in the 70's, 80's and 90's.

Yet, do you hear ANYTHING about it?

No, you don't. Because cambodians don't occupy sensitive positions in the US Govt.

Fonz

who is "their"? What's your religious background Fonz? I'm curious. I'm not Jewish BTW.

Cambodia was not a first world nation that organized a system elimination of a certain group of people. Germany was.

Cambodia was not pulling resources off of the front lines of the biggest war in human history to carry out genocide. Germany was.

Cambodia was not a leading science nation at the time. Germany was. Cambodia did not run its top scientists out of the country or region during their genocide. Germany did. Ironically, Einstein and Oppenheimer could have won the war for Germany.

What happened in Cambodia was thrid wolrd slaughter that goes on all the time. Tragic but hardly unprecedented. The Holocaust was a systematic genocide by a major world power, literally at the expense of winning the war.

Back out to pasture.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Re: Re: Re: Israel and its propaganda war: Its winning

Hehe....Matt is flustered.

And no, I don't hate Israel.

I'm actually pro-help them because they are the only democracy in that god forsaken place called the middle east.

I just disagree with their attitude and methods.

They have a very US and THEM attitude. Front line grunt if you ask me.

That has to change if their ever going to ameliorate their
present situation.

Oh yeah....

SHEEP.

Fonz

Flustered LOL! I addressed every pointy ou made and you mentioned none of mine. Flustered must have another meaning

 

[2Thick]

Cambodia was not a first world nation that organized a system elimination of a certain group of people. Germany was.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cambodia was "first world"? Now that's funny.

 

[Fonz]

What happened in Cambodia was thrid wolrd slaughter that goes on all the time. Tragic but hardly unprecedented. The Holocaust was a systematic genocide by a major world power, literally at the expense of winning the war.

Back out to pasture.

I disagree with that statement.

You are trying to rationalize mass killing vs Genocide.

Thats something you can't possibly do.(I also can't believe you actually said that so off-hand either)

And I'm roman catholic by birth but new scientist in practice.

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be nice.

Matt's just having a crisis of sorts.

FOnz

 

[dballer]

My point is still valid. Egypt receives $2.1 billion and Israel receives $3 billion. At least Israel acts like a friend to the U.S.

HA HA HA HA HA .... WHOOAAAAAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


This is the best quote yet... this is rich... I really liked this one.

 

[2Thick]

Cambodia was "first world"? Now that's funny.

I must have misread due to your awful use of grammar.

I was under the impression that you attempted to claim that Germany was the first nation to attempt what you call "systematic genocide."

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I disagree with that statement.

You are trying to rationalize mass killing vs Genocide.

Thats something you can't possibly do.(I also can't believe you actually said that so off-hand either)

And I'm roman catholic by birth but new scientist in practice.

Fonz

No - I am comparing third world slaughter with systematic slaughter by a first world nation with modern technology, at the expense of winning the war

The Nazis actually pulled resources away from the main war effort in order to implement the Holocaust. That's unprecedented.

Hence the difference.

BTW recommend the book "Constantine's Sword" if you haven't already read it.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I must have misread due to your awful use of grammar.

I was under the impression that you attempted to claim that Germany was the first nation to attempt what you call "systematic genocide."

Or your inattentiveness.

Genocide is as old as time itself. Doing it at the expense of the war effort is unique to the nazis.

 

[Fonz]

No - I am comparing third world slaughter with systematic slaughter by a first world nation with modern technology, at the expense of winning the war

The Nazis actually pulled resources away from the main war effort in order to implement the Holocaust. That's unprecedented.

Hence the difference.

BTW recommend the book "Constantine's Sword" if you haven't already read it.

OK. That explains it better.

Just FYI: The germans offered to SELL jews to the allies for
trucks and other parts to stop the incoming russian army.
The allies refused.

Fonz

 

[manny78]

OK. That explains it better.

Just FYI: The germans offered to SELL jews to the allies for
trucks and other parts to stop the incoming russian army.
The allies refused.

Fonz

Back in the days nobody gave a fuck about jews, I wonder why lol

So basically according to Matt, a jew that died during the Holocaust is worth more than a cambodgian ? reminds me the Civil War when a white officer was worth 2-4 blacks during prisoners exchange...... lol

 

[Testosterone boy]

Back in the days nobody gave a fuck about jews, I wonder why lol

So basically according to Matt, a jew that died during the Holocaust is worth more than a cambodgian ? reminds me the Civil War when a white officer was worth 2-4 blacks during prisoners exchange...... lol

I'm surprised that the exchange didn't place a higher value with the officers. How much is a major general worth? 1000 enlisted?

 

[manny78]

I'm surprised that the exchange didn't place a higher value with the officers. How much is a major general worth? 1000 enlisted?

I said that number just to demonstrate, but I know it took more than one black to get a white man back. Just like in Pakistan where you need testominy by 4 women in order to equal one man in a rape trial...

 

[dballer]

Re: SOME PRO ISREAL READ!

I wanted to highlight a few things before adding....

Good gracious.... I feel like I am the only Pro-Isreal, Jewish Democrat in this whole goddamned place!!

I am real into politics, and follow it quite closely- as much as my 21 year old beer soaked brain will allow- but there is two sides to every story. And that is, and always is the fact. Regardless.


Remember this guys. You might think that Isreal are terrorist because they blow up some camel fuckers in Palestine...But remember that they are OUR allies... Remember the people they are fighting, even though they might use dirty tactics at times, are the same people that want america to suffer and for our capitalistic society to suffer with great pain. They kill our fucking innocent women in children with bombs and planes. They make millions upon millions of americans suffer. So if Isreal uses some terroristic "type" tactics to fight these people- SO BE IT!

A/C

Here we go ... bust out the beer to soak the brain and let this sink in.


According to Paul Findley(former US Congress), "Since 1985 all US aid to Israel has been a grant, meaning that not a penny of it has to be repaid. [And w]hen Israel pays interest and principal on loans given before 1985, it does so with US tax dollars. This curious process began in 1984 when Democratic Senator Alan Cranston of California sponsored what became known as the Cranston amendment. It stipulates that economic aid to Israel each year will be at least equal to its annual repayments (principal and interest) of its debt to the United States. In the wry words of then Secretary of State James A. Baker III in testimony before the Senate in 1992, ...'we can always pay ourselves back with the money that we appropriate for Israel to do so.'

"The effect of this amendment is to guarantee that Israel will always receive enough US aid to cover its debt obligations. In actual practice, Congress always awards Israel funds far in excess of these obligations. No other country enjoys such an arrangement."

Hmmmm... sounds a little shady to me? Does this sound right to you? OK... onto somthing else. This is long.. but just read this....

09-10-00


Torture in Israel


Secret U.S. Governemnt Cables about "Systematic Israeli Torture" Were
Published 21 Tears Ago!


On Sunday, CNN, the world's most Israeli-centered TV network, finally did a story about torture in Israel.


But it wasn't a story about the decades of brutal torture to which quite literally thousands and thousands of Palestinian have been subjected -- with the world (and CNN) always looking the other way. It was a story about one American, detained and relatively mildly tortured. And all this is more of the old ongoing story whereby one American gets mistreated and its headline news, thousands and thousands of people get historically raped and physically tortured far worse, and that story is never quite honestly reported or put in proper perspective.

Plus there's the simple matter that with this torture in Israel story CNN is some 21 years late! It's another case of much too little, much too late, much too misreported.

Secret State Department documents detailing "systematic torture" in Israel were first uncovered and published by now MER Publisher, Mark Bruzonsky, years ago.

Bruzonsky, then Associate Editor of WORLDVIEW Magazine and credentialed to the State Department, obtained the classified documents from serving State Department officials who were aghast at what Israel was doing and wanted to make it known to the world.

The story of how these documents were set it type and scheduled to be the front-page article in THE VILLAGE VOICE newspaper -- the top editor and Bruzonsky working intensively over a long weekend to make this possible -- and then at the last moment the presses were stopped by persons associated with the Israeli/Jewish lobby, and the article spiked...this is a story never yet told publicly.

Bruzonsky was also at the time the Interview Editor for THE MIDDLE EAST Magazine in London. He immediately flew to London and the full text of the classified State Department cables detailing the "systematic use of torture" by the Israelis, carefully documented by U.S. government officials, was published for all the world to read quite a long time ago.

For those interested, it's the April 1979 issue.

As for CNN, now that they've got their toes wet with this major story, why don't they do it right, including exposing why and how the U.S. has been complicitous in all this for decades, knowing in detail what, how, and where, the Israelis do their tortuous deeds.

 

[dballer]

No more terrorst attacks? LOL at your ignorance and bias.

Remember the oil tanker in Yemen? French, right. France is no Israel supporter. There was a statement made that perpetrators were pleased that they were able to blow up that "Christian oil tanker".

What Americans often fail to realize is that we are not being targeted for our support of Israel. The extremists that are doing this will attack American interests whether or not we are supporting Israel - it will only make their goal of destroying Israel that much easier.

Explain the 2 plots recently discovered to kill the Pope. The Catholic church is about as anti-Jew as it gets, through history.

If we stop supporting Israel, attacks against America and the west will not stop . And you are believing the Islamic extremist propaganda machine if you think otherwise.

The extremsist factions fromwhcihterrorists are culled hate their own governments as much as they hate America or Israel.

Cheaper gas? LOL! Supply and demand plus production capacity are the only things affecting gas prices. Most oil producing nations (including #1 Saudi Arabia) cannot afford to slow production one drop a day. They need to money to keep extremists at bay.

Sheep.

You called Warik biased and a sheep? Why?

In your post you said.. and I quote "If we stop supporting Israel, attacks against America and the west will not stop . And you are believing the Islamic extremist propaganda machine if you think otherwise."

Matt, we have NO choice now do we......

Ari Fleischer
Official White House Spokesman.
Prominent in the Jewish community, he reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

Richard Perle
Foreign Policy Advisor and chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
He had worked as Bush's Jewish national security campaign advisor. A very likely Israeli agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam.

Paul Wolfowitz
Deputy Secretary of Defense, Bush's Jewish foreign policy campaign advisor.
Is a close associate of Israeli agent Richard Perle, and has close ties to the Israeli military.

Douglas Feith
Under Secretary of Defense, and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon.
He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine.

Elliott Abrams
National Security Council Advisor.
He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, Bush Sr. granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

Dov Zekheim
Under Secretary of Defense.
He was Bush's Jewish foreign policy advisor and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

Richard Haass
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large.
He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council,
and who consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Henry Kissinger
Sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book. Kissinger had a part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile dictatorship and reaped investment profits in Yugoslavia. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.

James Schlesinger
Sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Robert Zoellick
U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position.
He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Marc Grossman
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.
He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State.
Grossman is one of many of the Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

Robert Satloff
National Security Council Advisor.
Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

Mel Sembler
President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States.
A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

Joshua Bolten
Bush's Chief Policy Director, banker and former legislative aide.
Prominent in the Jewish community.

Steve Goldsmith
Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor.
He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

Daniel Saul Goldin
Head of NASA, National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
A leftover from the Clinton Administration, Golding is frequently praised by the Israeli media as a friend of Israel.

Adam Goldman
White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

Joseph Gildenhorn
Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.
He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

Christopher Gersten
Former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez,
and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised in the Jewish faith.

Mark Weinberger
Assistant Secretary of the Treasury.

Samuel Bodman
Deputy Secretary of Commerce.
He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.

Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute.
Reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

Lincoln Bloomfield
Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.


Bush has hired these Israeli lobbyists to the highest positions in the land, he has escalated the bombing of Iraq, and already sided with Israel in killing Palestinian civilians.





YOU SUPPORT THEM!!!! YOU ARE THE SHEEP!!!!!

 

[dballer]

What happened in Cambodia was thrid wolrd slaughter that goes on all the time. Tragic but hardly unprecedented. The Holocaust was a systematic genocide by a major world power, literally at the expense of winning the war.

Back out to pasture.

What do YOU call what Israel is doing to the people of Palistine??

 

[2Thick]

You called Warik biased and a sheep? Why?

In your post you said.. and I quote "If we stop supporting Israel, attacks against America and the west will not stop . And you are believing the Islamic extremist propaganda machine if you think otherwise."

Matt, we have NO choice now do we......

Ari Fleischer
Official White House Spokesman.
Prominent in the Jewish community, he reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

Richard Perle
Foreign Policy Advisor and chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
He had worked as Bush's Jewish national security campaign advisor. A very likely Israeli agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam.

Paul Wolfowitz
Deputy Secretary of Defense, Bush's Jewish foreign policy campaign advisor.
Is a close associate of Israeli agent Richard Perle, and has close ties to the Israeli military.

Douglas Feith
Under Secretary of Defense, and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon.
He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine.

Elliott Abrams
National Security Council Advisor.
He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, Bush Sr. granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

Dov Zekheim
Under Secretary of Defense.
He was Bush's Jewish foreign policy advisor and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship.

Richard Haass
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large.
He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council,
and who consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Henry Kissinger
Sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book. Kissinger had a part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile dictatorship and reaped investment profits in Yugoslavia. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.

James Schlesinger
Sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Robert Zoellick
U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position.
He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates bombing Iraq.

Marc Grossman
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.
He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State.
Grossman is one of many of the Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

Robert Satloff
National Security Council Advisor.
Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

Mel Sembler
President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States.
A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

Joshua Bolten
Bush's Chief Policy Director, banker and former legislative aide.
Prominent in the Jewish community.

Steve Goldsmith
Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor.
He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

Daniel Saul Goldin
Head of NASA, National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
A leftover from the Clinton Administration, Golding is frequently praised by the Israeli media as a friend of Israel.

Adam Goldman
White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

Joseph Gildenhorn
Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.
He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

Christopher Gersten
Former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez,
and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised in the Jewish faith.

Mark Weinberger
Assistant Secretary of the Treasury.

Samuel Bodman
Deputy Secretary of Commerce.
He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.

Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute.
Reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

Lincoln Bloomfield
Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.


Bush has hired these Israeli lobbyists to the highest positions in the land, he has escalated the bombing of Iraq, and already sided with Israel in killing Palestinian civilians.





YOU SUPPORT THEM!!!! YOU ARE THE SHEEP!!!!!

You cannot argue against those facts.

It would not be such a big deal if Jews were not 2% of the population. That is a lot of power for a TINY minority to hold.

 

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HA HA HA HA HA .... WHOOAAAAAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


This is the best quote yet... this is rich... I really liked this one.

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.

 

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What do YOU call what Israel is doing to the people of Palistine??

The Palestinians have lost like 1700 people in the past 2 years and the Israelis have lost like 700 people. There are several million Palestinians, so to say that the Israelis are commiting genocide is rediculous.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Originally posted by 2Thick


You cannot argue against those facts.

It would not be such a big deal if Jews were not 2% of the population. That is a lot of power for a TINY minority to hold.

You want to introduce a quota on how many Jews can enter politics and other fields?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

You cannot argue against those facts.

It would not be such a big deal if Jews were not 2% of the population. That is a lot of power for a TINY minority to hold.

Are you implying that a jewish person in an office is blinded to the duties of their office because they are jewish? Help me here.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Back in the days nobody gave a fuck about jews, I wonder why lol

So basically according to Matt, a jew that died during the Holocaust is worth more than a cambodgian ? reminds me the Civil War when a white officer was worth 2-4 blacks during prisoners exchange...... lol

It;s not about the jews or the cambodians you lummox. it's about the difference between what Germany was doing and what Pol Pot was doing, particularly given the divergent status of Germany and Cambodia on teh world stage, and the presence or absence of a major war. Read a book for once.

 

[dballer]

The Palestinians have lost like 1700 people in the past 2 years and the Israelis have lost like 700 people. There are several million Palestinians, so to say that the Israelis are commiting genocide is rediculous.

cut the bullshit hoss. we all know that is a load of CNN crap.