Is Winstrol making me heavier??

[VictorBR]

well , I have seen the studies , if there is no point on dropping visceral fat , that is another thing ..

My point is that AAS in general will have a direct impact on your body' s abilitie to burn FAT .

" testosterone is very beneficial for fat loss,

Testosterone affects fat loss in one of two ways. Just like a car, your fat cells have a series of brakes and accelerators. The parts of a fat cell that accelerate the release of fat are called beta-receptors. The parts of a fat cell that put the brakes on fat loss are known as alpha- receptors.

The distribution of brakes and accelerators on each fat cell is one reason why certain parts of your body shed fat faster than others. Women, for example, often have a hard time losing fat from their hips. That's because the fat cells in that area have a higher ratio of alpha- to beta-receptors.

If a fat cell has more beta-receptors, it will release stored fat more quickly than one with fewer beta-receptors. That's where testosterone appears to help. By increasing the number of beta-receptors, testosterone makes it easier to lose stored fat. "


that was said by jenectic a while ago ... and I am a believer in this theory .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

" There are many mechanisms behind the ability of androgens to reduce body fat. One key determinant of the amount of adipose tissue reduced is that particular androgen's ability to bind to the Androgen Receptor. Androgen Receptors are not only found in muscle, but they are present in adipose tissue as well.

The higher the density of Androgen Receptors, the more that lipid uptake is inhibited. Also, androgens that bind avidly to the Androgen Receptor cause an increase or upregulation of Androgen Recptors in fat cells. It seems that the greater the androgen binds to the Androgen Receptor, the more upregulation of Androgen Receptors in fat cells occur. Technically, this should lead to a significant reduction in subcutaneous fat.

In regards to Anavar, One study showed that oxandrolone induced an increase in Androgen Receptor expression in muscle. If you consider the information previously mentioned, it would makes sense that oxandrolone would be potent at reducing adipose tissue. Assuming that it is increasing Androgen Receptor expression in adipose tissue, this would fit perfectly in to the idea that a strong binding to the Androgen Receptor induces upregulation of the Androgen Receptor content in adipose tissue and thus leads to fat burning effects.

Technically, this would apply to androgens like Winstrol, Trenbolone, Masteron ect... "


>>> that is another quote from jenectic , and I will have to say that I firmly agree with this theory , AGAIN .

 

[VictorBR]

" Key Points:

1. Androgens have the ability to reduce body fat.

2. Androgen Receptors (AR) are present in body fat.

3. The higher the density of AR , the more that lipid uptake is inhibited.

4. Androgens that bind avidly to the AR cause an increase or upregulation
of AR in fat cells.

5. The greater the androgen binds to the AR, the more upregulation of AR in
fat cells occur which should result in significant fat loss.

6. It is possible that Anavar increases AR expression.

Hypothesis:

Assuming that it is increasing Androgen Receptor expression in fat tissue, this would fit perfectly in to the idea that a strong binding to the Androgen Receptor induces upregulation of the Androgen Receptor content in adipose tissue and thus leads to fat burning effects.

Basically, it is allowing the AR to be more productive/efficient which should result in more fat loss. "


>>>> Another one by jenectic . and for the third time , I will agree .


Victor

 

[Mr.X]

well , I have seen the studies , if there is no point on dropping visceral fat , that is another thing ..

My point is that AAS in general will have a direct impact on your body' s abilitie to burn FAT .

" testosterone is very beneficial for fat loss,

Testosterone affects fat loss in one of two ways. Just like a car, your fat cells have a series of brakes and accelerators. The parts of a fat cell that accelerate the release of fat are called beta-receptors. The parts of a fat cell that put the brakes on fat loss are known as alpha- receptors.

The distribution of brakes and accelerators on each fat cell is one reason why certain parts of your body shed fat faster than others. Women, for example, often have a hard time losing fat from their hips. That's because the fat cells in that area have a higher ratio of alpha- to beta-receptors.

If a fat cell has more beta-receptors, it will release stored fat more quickly than one with fewer beta-receptors. That's where testosterone appears to help. By increasing the number of beta-receptors, testosterone makes it easier to lose stored fat. "


that was said by jenectic a while ago ... and I am a believer in this theory .


Victor

I'm sorry Victor, this is not a study; plus, he talks specifically about "Testosterone" not anavar.

 

[Mr.X]

" There are many mechanisms behind the ability of androgens to reduce body fat. One key determinant of the amount of adipose tissue reduced is that particular androgen's ability to bind to the Androgen Receptor. Androgen Receptors are not only found in muscle, but they are present in adipose tissue as well.

The higher the density of Androgen Receptors, the more that lipid uptake is inhibited. Also, androgens that bind avidly to the Androgen Receptor cause an increase or upregulation of Androgen Recptors in fat cells. It seems that the greater the androgen binds to the Androgen Receptor, the more upregulation of Androgen Receptors in fat cells occur. Technically, this should lead to a significant reduction in subcutaneous fat.

In regards to Anavar, One study showed that oxandrolone induced an increase in Androgen Receptor expression in muscle. If you consider the information previously mentioned, it would makes sense that oxandrolone would be potent at reducing adipose tissue. Assuming that it is increasing Androgen Receptor expression in adipose tissue, this would fit perfectly in to the idea that a strong binding to the Androgen Receptor induces upregulation of the Androgen Receptor content in adipose tissue and thus leads to fat burning effects.

Technically, this would apply to androgens like Winstrol, Trenbolone, Masteron ect... "


>>> that is another quote from jenectic , and I will have to say that I firmly agree with this theory , AGAIN .

What study are you talking about here, jenectic is not a study it's a person, I'd like to see real studies JUST on anavar done with bodybuilders - as you mentioned before.

 

[Mr.X]

" Key Points:

1. Androgens have the ability to reduce body fat.

2. Androgen Receptors (AR) are present in body fat.

3. The higher the density of AR , the more that lipid uptake is inhibited.

4. Androgens that bind avidly to the AR cause an increase or upregulation
of AR in fat cells.

5. The greater the androgen binds to the AR, the more upregulation of AR in
fat cells occur which should result in significant fat loss.

6. It is possible that Anavar increases AR expression.

Hypothesis:

Assuming that it is increasing Androgen Receptor expression in fat tissue, this would fit perfectly in to the idea that a strong binding to the Androgen Receptor induces upregulation of the Androgen Receptor content in adipose tissue and thus leads to fat burning effects.

Basically, it is allowing the AR to be more productive/efficient which should result in more fat loss. "


>>>> Another one by jenectic . and for the third time , I will agree .


Victor

Again this is not an anavar study, just some guys' quote. To produce a valid point, you must provide valid studies.

Mr.X

 

[DIVISION]

Im on my third week EOD, when I started with it, I was 192 and now im
198. Is this because of the winstrol? I thouhgt i was gonna be lighter...

Thanks in advance.

Winstrol doesn't lean you out, it's heavily anabolic with a slight androgenic effect as well. It must be something with you diet.


DIV

 

[Mr.X]

For example, this article shows that growth was the most commonly associated factor with oxandrolone (anavar):

Pediatrics. 1976 Sep;58(3):412-22.


Studies of anabolic steroids: v. effect of prolonged oxandrolone administration on growth in children and adolescents with uncomplicated short stature.

Moore DC, Tattoni DS, Limbeck GA, Ruvelcaba RH, Lindner DS, Gareis FJ, Al-Agba S, Kelley VC.

A total of 130 patients with uncomplicated short stature (4 to 17 years of age) were treated with oxandrolone, 0.25 mg/kg/day, for up to four years. Oxandrolone therapy resulted in a two-fold increase in mean growth velocity in the first six months of therapy and was an effective growth stimulant for the full four-year period. There was no overall adverse effect of oxandrolone on post-treatment mean growth velocity or on skeletal maturation relative to height gain. There were 37 patients with greater increase in height age than bone age and 22 patients with greater increase in bone age than height age. Assessment of the contribution of oxandrolone therapy to the latter group is difficult because of inadequate methodology and the wide variation in individual growth patterns. Taken in their entirety, the data suggest that oxandrolone is useful in the prolonged treatment of uncomplicated short stature and is not associated with undesirable acceleration of skeletal maturation.

PMID: 183178 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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As you can see, the study clearly mentions musclegrowth and bone density not Lipolysis - neither Visceral nor subcutaneous.

Mr.X

 

[DIVISION]

My point is that AAS in general will have a direct impact on your body' s abilitie to burn FAT .

that was said by jenectic a while ago ... and I am a believer in this theory .

I gotta go with what Jenetic stated awhile back and what VicNugga brought back up.....

The anabolic environment is feuled by AAS, thus the body's thermogenesis is enhanced.



DIV

 

[VictorBR]

Just because that study doesn't show fat loss with var that doesn't mean it doesn't happen .

Yes , jenectiv is not god , he is just a a person , but he made some SOLID , and VALID points . IMO , that explanation is just as good as a study to prove that AAS in general , specially tesotsterone will help you lose fat .



Victor