IS THIS NECESSARY??? Experianced test users......

[Tyler Durdin]

Is tapering Test Necessary, If so is it better to start at a high dose, then slowly go down. Or is it better to start low, go higher as the cycle progresses, then go lower again to come off. Please help !!!

 

[Tyler Durdin]

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[Horny]

if you don't taper you will have a large amount of test in your blood for many weeks after your last injection. Tapering just provides a better means of controling your blood levels and knowing what they are at a given time. I would keep the test at the same level and taper the dosage for the last 2 weeks.

 

[Weam]

Exactly as Horny said, also you can switch to a shorter acting steroid at the last few weeks this would prevents you from tappering off or large amount of Steroids being stored at your body for 3-4weeks and that's would interrupt the recovery phase

 

[solidspine]

My last cycle was test ethanate only with nolvadex, HGC,etc

I tapered up, in the future I'm just going to do about 800 mg per week no tapering up or down.

 

[solidspine]

Tyler I forgot to tell you

You are using my name, I will let you for now, but be ready I may take it back.

 

[Horny]

if you don't taper you will have a large amount of test in your blood for many weeks after your last injection. Tapering just provides a better means of controling your blood levels and knowing what they are at a given time. I would keep the test at the same level and taper the dosage for the last 2 weeks.

I was talking about tapering only with shorter acting esters like enanthate and cypionate. .

 

[panerai]

I don't see a point in tapering. If one is using enanthate,for example, he waits one week after last injection and then starts Clomid, or if he uses more then a gram a week, he can wait 10 days. Test is not just stored in a body, it is doing its job on making one grow.
I like the idea of short acting esters, but at the end it's still the same, user waits a couple days instead of many.
What's important is to know half lives of used Test and ajust timing for Clomid accordingly.
On the other side, tapering is robbing yourself off gains, cutting cycle shorter.

 

[Horny]

See here is an example of someone who starts clomid therapy too soon. 1000mg of test ennathate will take much longer than 10 days to get out of oyur system. 1000mg of test enanthate will take at least 20 days to be 95 percent gone and this is a very liberal estimate. 100mg takes 10 days to get out of the system. Taking 10 times that will change up the pharmokinetics alot.

 

[Weam]

Horny is right,
I know it cannot be stored at the body but there is something called half-life, by mean after 5days you'll get 500mg, 5days later 250, 5days later 125mg , 5days later 62.5mg and so on

that's why you can show up to be positive on the drug tests after several months

 

[TMAN2]

"I know it cannot be stored at the body but there is something called half-life, by mean after 5days you'll get 500mg, 5days later 250, 5days later 125mg , 5days later 62.5mg and so on "

Depending on the ester

 

[Weam]

I'm talking about Enanthate TMAN2

 

[panerai]

We are not discussing here when is right time to start Clomid therapy, that would be separate thread. We are talking about tapering and you pointing out that I time Clomid therapy wrong, agreed with me that tapering is not nessesery. Thank you!

 

[Widi]

It doesn't make a difference if you had 100mg/week or 1000mg/week of test enan. After 10 days most is out of the system.

Its like drinking water: If you drink a glass of water 20 min. later you'll piss most of it. If you drink a 1/2 gallon of water 20 min. later you'll piss 1/2 gal of water. Its still 10 minutes only quantity has changed!

A larger dose doesn't make for a longer half life !

 

[Weam]

Widi, please don't get me wrong

it depends on the doses and no body can neglect that, A study done on the half-life & duration of Testosterone Enanthate & Cypionate few years ago, it concluded that 10days after injecting 140mg of Enanthate Testosterone level returned to the baseline level while when 200mg adm. Testosterone level returned to the baselive after 13-14days

Reference:
Schulte-Beerbuhl M et al., Comparison of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone in serum after injection of testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate. Fertility and Sterility (1980) 33.2 : 201-203.

 

[The Iron Game]

Without clomid then tapering would be a worth while activity. However with the wide availability of clomid, tapering will ensure that you have used less total steroid intake over the same period of time.

Example:

750mgs/wk for 10 weeks = 7500mgs / cycle (without taper)

With Taper, 250mgs, 500mgs, 750mgs, 750mgs, 750mgs, 750mgs, 750mgs, 750mgs, 500mgs, 250mgs = 6000mgs total.

You will grow more on the 7500mgs of total steroid use.

Nowadays tapering is a flawed practice and while it wont do you any harm, it will also not positively benefit you.

 

[scottc]

hmm..

Tapering is pointless in view right now.. Let me take that back mybe Oral tapering and using certain things like t3 is crucial. Why dont you guys just create a self taper. First 4 weeks ethenate or long acting tests with a good anbolic. Last 4 weeks with a fast acting test like propinate and Winny for a anabolic. Once your last 4 weeks start the ethenate will begin to taper and by the 4th week your on clomid and within a week the Popinate will be out and most of the ethenate too. I think people spend too much time tapering, I used to start gaining lots of MASS and muscle then I would be dropping my dossages already!!!!.. also tapering can lead into long unneeded weeks..

My .02

-Scott

 

[Horny]

Without clomid then tapering would be a worth while activity. However with the wide availability of clomid, tapering will ensure that you have used less total steroid intake over the same period of time.

Example:

750mgs/wk for 10 weeks = 7500mgs / cycle (without taper)

With Taper, 250mgs, 500mgs, 750mgs, 750mgs, 750mgs, 750mgs, 750mgs, 750mgs, 500mgs, 250mgs = 6000mgs total.

You will grow more on the 7500mgs of total steroid use.

Nowadays tapering is a flawed practice and while it wont do you any harm, it will also not positively benefit you.

I disagree, cortisol can hit your system real hard if you don't taper high dosages of short acting aas. Also it is more convenient to taper for the purpose of keeping track of your blood levels of a given drug.

 

[TMAN2]

I agree that tapering is not needed. CLomid is

 

[panerai]

Cortisol will hit you hard,no matter if you taper or not. Soon as you stop AAS, all the built up cortisol will hit you and tapering has nothing to do with it.
Fina was shown in some strudies has ability of lowering cortisol level. Also Cytadren, taken for last few (3-4) weeks of the cycle in doses of 500-1000mg,tapered down last week and stopped dead 72 hours before Clomid starts, should cover cortisol problem.
Tapering is the old school when people didn't use Clomid for postcycle.

 

[ajc]

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[The Iron Game]

I disagree, cortisol can hit your system real hard if you don't taper high dosages of short acting aas. Also it is more convenient to taper for the purpose of keeping track of your blood levels of a given drug.

You disagree? I have stated 7500mgs over 10 weeks will make you grow more than 6000mgs. You disagree?

Cortisol will be in your system whether or not you taper. It remains in an unbound state most of this time when on. When you come off your body will, if not treated correctly, will become catabolic. This is where we use a number of beneficial aids to prevent this change and help keep gains. Clen, Clomid, Some primo/anavar, otc supplements, proviron, nolva etc.

AJC it looks better on the back of a t-shirt to scale and not distorted