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Is she pregnant??? Maybe, maybe not!

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As some of you know, the wife and I have been planning our second child. We've been at it for about 1 month. I started my PCT therapy 3 weeks ago and I ran HCG at 1500ius e3-4days for the first 2 weeks and started clomid at 150mgs ed for the last 8 days with 1gm of dostinex e4days. I'm also running 20mgs of Nolva ed and yes, some of good ole Nelson's Post Cycle herbs for shits and giggles.

Now the wife is on 150mgs of clomid ed as a fertility aid. Last night I shot her up with 5000ius of HCG and this morning she tested positive for being pregnant. Now, could the HCG injection last night have produced a false test positive this morning? Is she really pregnant? Hmmm. Feedback please.
 
shit I wish I knew the answer to this, but I will go on a limb and say yes I think the HCG could give her a false positive. Not that my comment really help you any...LOL
 
muscleup said:
shit I wish I knew the answer to this, but I will go on a limb and say yes I think the HCG could give her a false positive. Not that my comment really help you any...LOL

The real question here is whether 5000ius of HCG taken the night before could produce a false test positive the next morning. This is really fucking me up!
 
Juice Authority said:
The real question here is whether 5000ius of HCG taken the night before could produce a false test positive the next morning. This is really fucking me up!

I think you hit the nail on the head with this one, bro.

I'm pretty sure it's a false positive.

DIV

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DIVISION said:
I think you hit the nail on the head with this one, bro.

I'm pretty sure it's a false positive.

DIV

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Ordinarily I would agree but she seems to have the morning sickness and dizziness that she gets when she's pregnant. Plus, her senses are hightened like taste and smell. I don't know. I guess we'll have to wait a few days and test again.
 
yea I am pretty sure, but I think most pregnacy test are based up on the amount of hcg in the urine.


Karma is always welcome!
 
Goodfellow said:
yea I am pretty sure, but I think most pregnacy test are based up on the amount of hcg in the urine.


Karma is always welcome!

Whether it's in the urine or blood it's all the same as far as the actual levels go.
 
Juice Authority said:
As some of you know, the wife and I have been planning our second child. We've been at it for about 1 month. I started my PCT therapy 3 weeks ago and I ran HCG at 1500ius e3-4days for the first 2 weeks and started clomid at 150mgs ed for the last 8 days with 1gm of dostinex e4days. I'm also running 20mgs of Nolva ed and yes, some of good ole Nelson's Post Cycle herbs for shits and giggles.

Now the wife is on 150mgs of clomid ed as a fertility aid. Last night I shot her up with 5000ius of HCG and this morning she tested positive for being pregnant. Now, could the HCG injection last night have produced a false test positive this morning? Is she really pregnant? Hmmm. Feedback please.

Why are you giving her drugs and shooting her up with HCG? Shit I got my wife I have now pregnent by accident without even trying the first month we were going out!hehe :sperm: :bikinimom
 
Juice Authority said:
Whether it's in the urine or blood it's all the same as far as the actual levels go.

My point exactly.

I think it's just an HCG induced false alarm.

Could be wrong, that's just my hunch. I think it's gonna take a whole night of exhausting, rough sex for her to get pregnant. I think you're gonna have to earn it, JA.

DIV

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Bro, Read the insert in the box of the Pregnancy test... HCG Will cause a false positive, it says so right there.
 
Juice Authority said:
Ordinarily I would agree but she seems to have the morning sickness and dizziness that she gets when she's pregnant. Plus, her senses are hightened like taste and smell. I don't know. I guess we'll have to wait a few days and test again.


She's sick from all that HCG you shot her with...............


RADAR
 
lol JA you make me laugh

you realise that HCG is extracted from the urine of pregnant women

which means that it is excreted as a HCG molecule, unchanged, in the urine (as opposed to being destroyed/chemically altered etc in the liver and then finally excreted in the urine

which means and HCG in your wifes blood will suffer the same fate as any endogenous, pregnancy induced HCG production, and will find its way into the urine

you either have a false positive, OR a conflict - meaning the test is picking up both endogenous, and exogenous HCG. meaning you have a false positive and true positive at the same time, depending on which particular HCG molecule youre looking at lol

in other words....wait a few days, test again. call your pharmacist to ask how long to wait

good luck, and have fun "working on it" lol
 
GoldenDelicious said:
lol JA you make me laugh

you realise that HCG is extracted from the urine of pregnant women

which means that it is excreted as a HCG molecule, unchanged, in the urine (as opposed to being destroyed/chemically altered etc in the liver and then finally excreted in the urine

which means and HCG in your wifes blood will suffer the same fate as any endogenous, pregnancy induced HCG production, and will find its way into the urine

you either have a false positive, OR a conflict - meaning the test is picking up both endogenous, and exogenous HCG. meaning you have a false positive and true positive at the same time, depending on which particular HCG molecule youre looking at lol

in other words....wait a few days, test again. call your pharmacist to ask how long to wait

good luck, and have fun "working on it" lol

I just think he needs to put aside a weekend and just go to town fucking his wifey... That's the key, I think he has to work for love and in this case pregnancy. JA is one of those guys who has to work for everything he's got because that's what he is, that's what he's about.

DIV

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Stop doping your wife up, are you a doctor? You're giving her clomid and high doses of HCG for what? Does she have problems getting pregnant? IF she does you need to have her see a doctor, otherwise it's you that can't get her pregnant because of the cycling. It may take time for your sperm count to rebound, but for God's sake man, stop shooting her up with stuff you propably know nothing about for no reason. And internet knowledge does not count, especiall in dealing with women's sensitive bodies, the're not like men when it comes to hormonal manipulation. A LOT LESS ROOM FOR ERROR.

BTW: It's a false positive.
 
GREGORY said:
Stop doping your wife up, are you a doctor? You're giving her clomid and high doses of HCG for what? Does she have problems getting pregnant? IF she does you need to have her see a doctor, otherwise it's you that can't get her pregnant because of the cycling. It may take time for your sperm count to rebound, but for God's sake man, stop shooting her up with stuff you propably know nothing about for no reason. And internet knowledge does not count, especiall in dealing with women's sensitive bodies, the're not like men when it comes to hormonal manipulation. A LOT LESS ROOM FOR ERROR.

BTW: It's a false positive.

HEY!!!!!! :redhot: YOU FUCKING SETTLE DOWN, gregory!!!!!

If JA wants to pump his wife full of HCG + Semen....that's HIS FUCKING RIGHT!!!!!!!

Leave the poor brother alone!!! This is between him and his Wifey and you have NO say in it. Let them FUCK in peace!

End of Sermon.

DIV

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DIVISION said:
HEY!!!!!! :redhot: YOU FUCKING SETTLE DOWN, gregory!!!!!

If JA wants to pump his wife full of HCG + Semen....that's HIS FUCKING RIGHT!!!!!!!

Leave the poor brother alone!!! This is between him and his Wifey and you have NO say in it. Let them FUCK in peace!

End of Sermon.

DIV

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Sure he did not come here to be preached to and i'm not preaching. But surely you can see the situation for what it is. It's just not good sense. When coming to a public board asking for opinions you have to get used to hearing things you don't want to hear. And that's that.
 
are there any medical reasons why you are using hcg and clomid on your wife? Is there a reason why she would have trouble getting pregnant? If not, then I really think you should not be pumping her full of that stuff without a doctors supervision.
Also, if you know how clomid is supposed to be taken for women, its supposed to start just after her period, and only be taken for 5 days. Please tell me you did some research before messing with your wifes body
 
Did the Doc prescribe the Clomid as a fertility aid?

If not, you might be shooting your self in the foot. Clomid can increase a woman's fertility in women who have a hard time conceiving (endometriosis, PCOS, etc) but in NORMAL women it can casue PROBLEMS conceiving.

Clomid will dry up a woman's cervical fluid - the same fluid that sperm MUST have to travel to the egg. If there is no fluid, there is no traveling. Clomid should be used as a last resort, and only with certain other substances to counteract the drying of the fluid.

Do you know when she ovulates? If you have been trying a month, she was only fertile for about 2 days of that month. If you know when she ovulates, then you can time sex for during that time period and you increase your chances of getting pregnant - NO drugs needed. (unless of course, the DOCTOR put her on something for a problem you have not enlightened us to)
 
needsize said:
are there any medical reasons why you are using hcg and clomid on your wife? Is there a reason why she would have trouble getting pregnant? If not, then I really think you should not be pumping her full of that stuff without a doctors supervision.
Also, if you know how clomid is supposed to be taken for women, its supposed to start just after her period, and only be taken for 5 days. Please tell me you did some research before messing with your wifes body

That's exactly how we're doing it. She takes the clomid the next day after her period.
 
Daisy_Girl said:
Did the Doc prescribe the Clomid as a fertility aid?

If not, you might be shooting your self in the foot. Clomid can increase a woman's fertility in women who have a hard time conceiving (endometriosis, PCOS, etc) but in NORMAL women it can casue PROBLEMS conceiving.

Clomid will dry up a woman's cervical fluid - the same fluid that sperm MUST have to travel to the egg. If there is no fluid, there is no traveling. Clomid should be used as a last resort, and only with certain other substances to counteract the drying of the fluid.

Do you know when she ovulates? If you have been trying a month, she was only fertile for about 2 days of that month. If you know when she ovulates, then you can time sex for during that time period and you increase your chances of getting pregnant - NO drugs needed. (unless of course, the DOCTOR put her on something for a problem you have not enlightened us to)

Those are some interesting points you raise that I'm sure are not without merit. The research I've done indicates differently regarding clomid's effectiveness in "normal" women. My findings were in line with what needsize had suggested. See below.

http://www.inciid.org/clomidberger.html

"Some women can't get pregnant because they don't secrete enough LH and FSH at the right time during the cycle and, as a result, they don't ovulate. For these women, the first drug doctors often prescribe is clomiphene citrate (Clomid, Serophene). This synthetic drug stimulates the hypothalamus to release more GnRH, which then prompts the pituitary to release more LH and FSH, and thus increases the stimulation of the ovary to begin to produce a mature egg.

Clomiphene is a good first choice drug when a woman's ovaries are capable of functioning normally and when her hypothalamus and pituitary are also capable of producing their hormones. In short, the woman's reproductive engine is in working order, but needs some revving up.

Structurally like estrogen, clomiphene binds to the sites in the brain where estrogen normally attaches, called estrogen receptors. Once these receptor sites are filled up with clomiphene, they can't bind with natural estrogen circulating in the blood and they are fooled into thinking that the amount of estrogen in the blood is too low. In response, the hypothalamus releases more GnRH, causing the pituitary to pump out more FSH, which then causes a follicle to grow to produce more estrogen and start maturing an egg to prepare for ovulation. Typically, a woman taking clomiphene produces double or triple the amount of estrogen in that cycle compared to pretreatment cycles

If a woman is menstruating, even if irregularly, clomiphene is usually effective, particularly if she develops follicles that aren't reaching normal size. Usually, a mature follicle is about 20 millimeters in diameter, or about the size of a small grape, just before it ruptures and releases its egg. Clomiphene may help small, immature follicles grow to maturity.

A low estradiol level in a woman's blood correlates with an inadequately stimulated, small follicle. A woman having a spontaneous ovulation cycle (that is, ovulating without the aid of fertility drugs) generally has peak estradiol levels ranging from 100 to 300 picograms (one trillionth of a gram)/ml. A woman may have enough hormones to produce an egg, but if her estradiol production by the follicles is low (less than 100 pg/ml), she may not adequately stimulate her cervix to produce fertile mucus or stimulate her endometrium to get ready to accept a fertilized egg for implantation. Clomiphene could boost the weak signals from the hypothalamus to the pituitary to the ovaries.

"A woman who ovulates infrequently, say at six-week intervals or less often, is also a good candidate for clomiphene therapy, since clomiphene will induce ovulation more frequently. The more a woman ovulates, the more opportunities her mature eggs have to be exposed to her husband's sperm and, therefore, the greater her chance to become pregnant.

Clomiphene is also often effective for a woman with luteal phase defect (LPD). A woman with LPD may begin the ovulation process properly, but her ovarian function becomes disrupted, resulting in low production of the hormone progesterone in the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle. Following ovulation, the ovary produces progesterone, the hormone needed to prepare the uterine lining for implantation of the fertilized egg, which has divided and entered the uterine cavity. A fall in progesterone levels in the blood during this critical time can interfere with early embryo implantation or, even if a fertilized egg has already implanted, cause a woman to menstruate too early and end a pregnancy within a few days after implantation.

Using an LH-urine detector kit or keeping a basal body temperature (BBT) chart can help a woman taking clomiphene determine whether the luteal phase of her cycle is shorter than the normal fourteen days. The luteal phase of the cycle, the length of time from ovulation until she menstruates, has a normal range of thirteen to fifteen days. Clomiphene can often "tune up" the hypothalamus and pituitary so they keep producing the hormones the ovary needs to manufacture progesterone throughout the luteal phase.

"Of women whose only fertility problem is irregular or no ovulation at all, about 80 percent will ovulate and about 50 percent will become pregnant within six months of clomiphene treatments. About three percent of women on clomiphene have a multiple pregnancy, usually twins, compared with about one percent in the general population.

If a woman responds to clomiphene and develops a mature follicle (determined by adequate estrogen production and ultrasound examination), but has no LH surge by cycle day 15, then injection of the hormone human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG), which actslike LH, can be given to stimulate final egg maturation and follicle rupture, releasing the egg. The woman tends to ovulate about 36 hours after the LH surge or HCG injection, which can be confirmed by further ultrasound scans.

"Clomiphene is a relatively inexpensive drug, and is taken orally for only five days each month. The doctor attempts to initiate clomiphene therapy so that the woman ovulates on or around day 14 of a regular 28-day cycle. The simplest, most widely used dose starts with one daily 50 mg. tablet for five days starting on cycle day three or five. If a woman ovulates at this dose, there is no advantage to her increasing the dosage. In other words, more of the drug isn't necessarily better. In fact, more may be worse, producing multiple ovulation, causing side effects such as an ovarian cyst or hot flashes, and most commonly, interfering with her fertile mucus production (Emphasis is Theresa Venet Grant's.)

If a woman doesn't ovulate after taking one clomiphene tablet for five days, then her doctor will usually double the daily dose to two tablets (100 mg) in her next cycle, and if she still doesn't respond, then triple the daily dose to 150 mg, or add another fertility medication such as human menopausal gonadotropin (Pergonal) in the next cycle. Some doctors increase the dose up to 250 mg. a day, but this is NOT recommended by either of the drug's two manufacturers. Women tend to have side effects much more frequently at higher doses.

If the dose of clomiphene is too high, the uterine lining may not respond completely to estrogen and progesterone stimulation, and may not develop properly. As a result, a woman's fertilized egg may not be able to implant in her uterus."
 
Does your wife have problems conceiving? If not, WHY give her a drug? I do not understand the useless use of drugs.

Plus, with all the drug use in the world, if you DO NOT KNOW when she ovulates, this is all pointless. If you do not time sex so it falls around the time she ovulates, she will never get pregnant. Even WITH drug use. It is simple to chart her cycle so you know when she ovulates. THIS should be the first step in conception, NOT drug use in a healthy woman.

I am not disagreeing with the fact that Clomid is a powerful and useful fertility aid. It has helped thousands of couples get pregnant. I AM disagreeing with the use of it in a healthy woman who does not need it. Regardless of any research.

Quote from the highly-regarded and very well-known book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" by Toni Weschler:

"If a couple is presumed to be infertile the woman is often put on an ovulatory drug called Clomid, whether or not she is actually ovulating. This is especially unfortunate since recent studies continue to suggest that Clomid may increase the risk of ovarian cancer or tumors, particularly for women exposed to the drug for at least a year or more. The purpose of the drug is to stimulate egg development inteh ovaries. What the couple is usually not told is that it has two paradoxical side effects. One is that it can dry up the cervical fluid that is vital for sperm transport through the cervix. The other is that it can cause the second phase of the cycle to be abnormally short, preventing an egg from being able to implant in the uterus. So while this potent medication is given to increase a woman's fertility, it can, ironically, act to prevent a pregnancy."


http://www.ivillagehealth.com/library/aia/content/0,,287513_329687-2,00.html
"Does clomiphene have any negative effects on fertility?
It can. By blocking estrogen's activity in the uterus, the lining may be inadequately prepared for implantation of the embryo. Many women also find that their cervical mucous suddenly becomes hostile to sperm penetration."


http://www.conceivingconcepts.com/learning/articles/0020.html
"Ironically, Clomid can cause hostile fertile mucous and thins the uterine lining in over 30 percent of the women who use it. The hostile mucus kills sperm, and the thin uterine can prevent implantation or cause an early miscarriage."


Why take the risk if she doesn't need the drug?
 
Daisy_Girl said:
Does your wife have problems conceiving? If not, WHY give her a drug? I do not understand the useless use of drugs.

Plus, with all the drug use in the world, if you DO NOT KNOW when she ovulates, this is all pointless. If you do not time sex so it falls around the time she ovulates, she will never get pregnant. Even WITH drug use. It is simple to chart her cycle so you know when she ovulates. THIS should be the first step in conception, NOT drug use in a healthy woman.

I am not disagreeing with the fact that Clomid is a powerful and useful fertility aid. It has helped thousands of couples get pregnant. I AM disagreeing with the use of it in a healthy woman who does not need it. Regardless of any research.

Quote from the highly-regarded and very well-known book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" by Toni Weschler:

"If a couple is presumed to be infertile the woman is often put on an ovulatory drug called Clomid, whether or not she is actually ovulating. This is especially unfortunate since recent studies continue to suggest that Clomid may increase the risk of ovarian cancer or tumors, particularly for women exposed to the drug for at least a year or more. The purpose of the drug is to stimulate egg development inteh ovaries. What the couple is usually not told is that it has two paradoxical side effects. One is that it can dry up the cervical fluid that is vital for sperm transport through the cervix. The other is that it can cause the second phase of the cycle to be abnormally short, preventing an egg from being able to implant in the uterus. So while this potent medication is given to increase a woman's fertility, it can, ironically, act to prevent a pregnancy."


http://www.ivillagehealth.com/library/aia/content/0,,287513_329687-2,00.html
"Does clomiphene have any negative effects on fertility?
It can. By blocking estrogen's activity in the uterus, the lining may be inadequately prepared for implantation of the embryo. Many women also find that their cervical mucous suddenly becomes hostile to sperm penetration."


http://www.conceivingconcepts.com/learning/articles/0020.html
"Ironically, Clomid can cause hostile fertile mucous and thins the uterine lining in over 30 percent of the women who use it. The hostile mucus kills sperm, and the thin uterine can prevent implantation or cause an early miscarriage."


Why take the risk if she doesn't need the drug?

Daisy - thanks for all the useful info. It was appreciated. I agree with you in that clomid isn't necessary for a healthy woman to conceive but it does speed up the process considerably. To be honest with you we both want to get this pregnancy over and done and with since this will be our last child. Isn't it impossible to tell when a woman is ovulating? I mean this usually occurs shortly after a menstral cycle but how do you pinpoint the exact day?
 
Juice Authority said:
Daisy - thanks for all the useful info. It was appreciated. I agree with you in that clomid isn't necessary for a healthy woman to conceive but it does speed up the process considerably. To be honest with you we both want to get this pregnancy over and done and with since this will be our last child. Isn't it impossible to tell when a woman is ovulating? I mean this usually occurs shortly after a menstral cycle but how do you pinpoint the exact day?

CHARTING! It is simple and FREE. All it requires is learning about your (her) cervical secretions and you can tell what days she is fertile. Plus, taking morning temps helps.

Check out these websites:

www.tcoyf.com (this book is AWESOME, I highly recommend it)

www.fertilityfriend.com

They are INVALUABLE for learning the fertility signs a women will have. Fertility Friend has free charting. When she starts charting, you can see what days are fertile, what days aren't.

If you take morning temps, you will see ovulation usually comes directly after a dip in AM temps. After ovulation, temps spike up. When temps spike, the egg is dead. Temps usually follow a pattern of higher when menstruating (hormonal), lower when not....then, right before ovulation, *usually* there will be a dip in temp (in conjunction with changes in cervical fluid). That temp dip will maintain throughout ovulation (fertile time) then spike way up when the egg dies.

Then, the second phase of the cycle starts (luteal phase). This phase is always 12-16 days in all women. A short luteal phase (less than 10 days) usually means that she will miscarry - her uterus is not prepared to carry a baby. After the luteal phase, she will start menstruating again.

During ovulation, her secretions ("discharge") will be watery, milky or (hopefully) the consistency of egg whites (stretchy). These days are the most fertile. The drier days (preceding and following menstruation) are nonfertile days. On non-fertile days, the secretions will be non-existant or sticky. Sperm CANNOT travel in dry or sticky cervical fluid.

Seriously, check out the websites. They are very helpful. :)
 
Daisy_Girl said:
CHARTING! It is simple and FREE. All it requires is learning about your (her) cervical secretions and you can tell what days she is fertile. Plus, taking morning temps helps.

Check out these websites:

www.tcoyf.com (this book is AWESOME, I highly recommend it)

www.fertilityfriend.com

They are INVALUABLE for learning the fertility signs a women will have. Fertility Friend has free charting. When she starts charting, you can see what days are fertile, what days aren't.

If you take morning temps, you will see ovulation usually comes directly after a dip in AM temps. After ovulation, temps spike up. When temps spike, the egg is dead. Temps usually follow a pattern of higher when menstruating (hormonal), lower when not....then, right before ovulation, *usually* there will be a dip in temp (in conjunction with changes in cervical fluid). That temp dip will maintain throughout ovulation (fertile time) then spike way up when the egg dies.

Then, the second phase of the cycle starts (luteal phase). This phase is always 12-16 days in all women. A short luteal phase (less than 10 days) usually means that she will miscarry - her uterus is not prepared to carry a baby. After the luteal phase, she will start menstruating again.

During ovulation, her secretions ("discharge") will be watery, milky or (hopefully) the consistency of egg whites (stretchy). These days are the most fertile. The drier days (preceding and following menstruation) are nonfertile days. On non-fertile days, the secretions will be non-existant or sticky. Sperm CANNOT travel in dry or sticky cervical fluid.

Seriously, check out the websites. They are very helpful. :)

That was awesome. Thanks a bunch for that.
 
psychedout said:
LoL. Life just ain't the same after you've been on ef is it?


You and Velvett have a real point, here.

I wonder how many other relationships hinge on advice brokered on EF?

This is a bit suprising.....but then again JA seems to know what he's doing.

DIV

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DIVISION said:
You and Velvett have a real point, here.

I wonder how many other relationships hinge on advice brokered on EF?

This is a bit suprising.....but then again JA seems to know what he's doing.

DIV

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Actually Daisy provided a lot of good information that was helpful. I don't see it as relying on advice "brokered" on EF but the advice given is sometimes right on the money as it was in this case. Any wise man or woman always seeks out new information to compare with the information they already have so they can make an informed decision.
 
Juice Authority said:
Actually Daisy provided a lot of good information that was helpful. I don't see it as relying on advice "brokered" on EF but the advice given is sometimes right on the money as it was in this case. Any wise man or woman always seeks out new information to compare with the information they already have so they can make an informed decision.

Good point, JA.

I just thought Velvett's comment was funny...

DIV

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