Is r-ALA better than regular ALA?

[SofaGeorge]

Is r-ALA better than regular ALA? DONT VOTE UNLESS YOU POST

There are enough people here who have used both r-ALA and regular ALA.

In real world use, is one better than the other?

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DONT VOTE UNLESS YOU HAVE USED BOTH, DONT VOTE UNLESS YOU INTEND TO POST

THIS HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN A PROBLEM THUS FAR..

BTW- SORRY FOR THE INTRUSION SOFAGEORGE.

MP

 

[macrophage69alpha]

that my one vote-
r-ala is much better. at least for insulin sensitivity. It only takes a couple days to notice this.

people who will notice most benefits.. older (insulin resistance), higher bodyfat(insulin resistance), lower estrogen (including those taking aromatase inhibitors) which decreases insulin sensitivity... among others


as far as KETO.. it is not even clear whether this is true KETO or metabolites of ALA giving a false positive..


as far as "anabolic effects" cant say one way or other...

though pumps are a little better with r-ala, vascularity same as with racemic, no bloating (which was obvious with racemic)... as far a heartburn (never had any.. so cant say)

 

[serge]

that my one vote-
r-ala is much better. at least for insulin sensitivity. It only takes a couple days to notice this.

people who will notice most benefits.. older (insulin resistance), higher bodyfat(insulin resistance), lower estrogen (including those taking aromatase inhibitors) which decreases insulin sensitivity... among others


as far as KETO.. it is not even clear whether this is true KETO or metabolites of ALA giving a false positive..


as far as "anabolic effects" cant say one way or other...

though pumps are a little better with r-ala, vascularity same as with racemic, no bloating (which was obvious with racemic)... as far a heartburn (never had any.. so cant say)

ALA causes water retension?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

interesting 2 votes for racemic ALA, but no posts... wonder why?

lets see iceburg and iceman are logged on..

 

[macrophage69alpha]

What about as a liver protectant?

really not clear..

issue is whether cytosolic reduction of s-ala to DHLA is effective to protect liver (r-ala is reduced in the mitochodria)..

just cant say, though the racemic should be fine for this alone.. as it should be half r-ala (though if close to expiry even a year or 2.. dont buy it.. obviously fresh is best) r-ala, according to manufacturers degrades in half the time of s-ala.. why exactly???

4 years as opposed to 2 years

 

[macrophage69alpha]

can see that SK* voted

sk* you may be too young to see the definitive effects..(youth typically=insulin sensitive)

btw-- you might want to try again when you are taking an aromatase inhibitor (a place where you might see a bigger difference)

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Umm no actually I didn't vote, I never took r-ala to make a decision. One thing for sure, I don't notice jack shit from ALA except a little heartburn and hope that it helps my liver while I am on 17-aa's.

interesting??

it will help with liver (regardless of type.. as long as it has decent r-ala content.. and even then it still may be OK.. see my other post)

but for the anabolic effect you may want to take SLIN (as you said in other post) which may be of more benefit to you... as at your age insulin sensitivity should be good.. which is why juvenlie rats did not see the same effects as older, or obese ones.. low estrogen rats will also see good effects.. in theory)

 

[SofaGeorge]

that my one vote-
r-ala is much better. at least for insulin sensitivity. It only takes a couple days to notice this.

people who will notice most benefits.. older (insulin resistance), higher bodyfat(insulin resistance), lower estrogen (including those taking aromatase inhibitors) which decreases insulin sensitivity... among others


as far as KETO.. it is not even clear whether this is true KETO or metabolites of ALA giving a false positive..


as far as "anabolic effects" cant say one way or other...

though pumps are a little better with r-ala, vascularity same as with racemic, no bloating (which was obvious with racemic)... as far a heartburn (never had any.. so cant say)

Macro - this poll is going to become pretty useless really fast if you use this thread as a sales pitch vehicle for r-ALA.

Please, try to restrain from posting.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Macro - this poll is going to become pretty useless really fast if you use this thread as a sales pitch vehicle for r-ALA.

Please, try to restrain from posting.

actually just trying to get those that have voted to post.. and just answering questions, not pimping r-ala. Obviously the effects are different. and trying to clarify the exogenous insulin issue for SK*

you have noticed that there are 5 votes and only one post.. though would venture to guess that Ice's post counts as his vote, though not sure how valuable it is since he has not tried both.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Umm no actually I didn't vote, I never took r-ala to make a decision. One thing for sure, I don't notice jack shit from ALA except a little heartburn and hope that it helps my liver while I am on 17-aa's.

I've taken r-ALA but not ALA. I'm not sure if I'm getting actual results or if it is the placebo effect. By appearance... it does seem to be working. I've eaten a few incredible cheat meals... yet my b/f is still dropping... and it was low to begin with.

The jury will be out for me personally for a while as to whether or not it is really working, but for now I'm starting to believe more and more that it is having a tangible benefit. Unfortunately, I've got six pack abs so I'm not willing to test the limits to heavily. I'm eating pretty clean because I don't want a gut.

The thing I find puzzling right now is that I can find no studies that seem to accurately reference a proper human doseage range for either r-ALA or ALA. If anyone can point me towards any I would be very interested in seeing how an effective dose range has been established.

Also, I'm trying to find out if there is a know time line of efficacy. (What's the half-life of this stuff? And do carbs or anything shorten/affect the half-life?