perkele said:Publicity stunt.
i didn't mean anytthing toward you. i jsut mean that would be a horrible thing to do.perkele said:Why? His career went downhill after Seinfeld.
gjohnson5 said:In the midst of the OJ issues , it's hard for me to ignore the race issue or card in this case. Black folks are stigmatized in America because of elevated violent crime rates, so his tirade to me is nothing more then that stigma in Kramer's head and alcohol making it come out.
In comparison to the Mel Gibson case , however, there was no question about if Mel was racist or not...
gjohnson5 said:In the midst of the OJ issues , it's hard for me to ignore the race issue or card in this case. Black folks are stigmatized in America because of elevated violent crime rates, so his tirade to me is nothing more then that stigma in Kramer's head and alcohol making it come out.
In comparison to the Mel Gibson case , however, there was no question about if Mel was racist or not...
EnderJE said:I could dropping the N-bomb, but to say that they used to swing hanging from trees? That's a bit much.
Hengst said:I think he was looking for the most hurtful words he could find to hurl at those folks heckling him. In this case they were black so he choose the n word. If they looked Indian he would have said dot head or some such thing........ So, I don't think he's racist.
TC2 said:Plus it sounded like they called him a cracka first and he responded.
A mother fucker calls me a cracka and I'm going to call him a nigger...I've done it plenty of times, I'm not racist, but you want to talk shit..you're going to get shit.
musclemom said:..... cannot call a black person the N word, but it's a word black people can say to each other.......
Its seems to be permissibale in these parts to be racist toward Whites and Latinos ( I am in California)
musclemom said:I think he tried to make some sort of a point and it just went bad, or he tried to go over to shock comedy or something. The fact of the matter is, a white person cannot call a black person the N word, but it's a word black people can say to each other. That comment that he made in the end about "there's still those words."
The fact is, some comics just can't handle heckling. I'd really like to have seen what went on five minutes BEFORE the tape got turned out, what was he talking about. A lot of inflammatory stuff taken out of context looks worse than it really is.
TC2 said:exactly..it looks and sounds by his response that they called him a cracka 1st and he got pissed and retaliated.
wakefib said:witnessess said thats not how it happened. all they said was "my friends don't think you are that funny". then he went bonkers on them.
biteme said:I don't see the option for... Who gives a fuck?
The Shadow said:anyone who saw the apology on Letterman would concurr that he at LEAST has racist tendencies
The Shadow said:...it could have been edited.....at least what I saw....the n bomb was dropped before I heard" any other name calling....doesnt mean that it didnt happen - could have - just not loud enough to be picked up
mountain muscle said:I just do not see why this is a big deal.
bluepeter said:Of course he's a racist. Forget the part about calling someone a nigger, that's almost a whole other debate. Telling a black person that fifty years ago his ass would have been hanging from a tree with a fork up his ass?
Razorguns said:try callnig people on ef, real life, etc. 'you nigger' and then tell them 'hey it's no big deal!'
see what happens. I've seen idiots here get into fights cuz THEY were on the receiving end of an insult. Not even racial.
hypocrites. nothing more. what if i called u 'hey mountain fag' to your face, and then said 'you loser, it's no big deal - grow up'.
it's about being mature and not using offensive words to people. class. Something Micheal ain't got. how do u think they feel being called a nigger?
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mountain muscle said:A people are not "stigmatized" because of something they do not have control over. Rappers celebrate their criminal persona and make millions off it. You really want to point the finger at 2 non-black men speaking their minds?
I'm curious as to your take about the discrimination within the black race regarding "shades"gjohnson5 said:In my opinion just being black is an issue or the use of the N word would not be such a large issue. I , for the most part agree that people can control thier own destiny, but To say that is 100% the case is just ignorant
4everhung said:I'm curious as to your take about the discrimination within the black race regarding "shades"
that goes back 20 years with me
back when I was smoking pot and hangin' with the bros I worked with
kinda surprised me
mountain muscle said:It must be hard. OJ got off a murder charge on the basis of race despite overwhelming dna eveidence.. Hard to ignore the race card now, I agree.
gjohnson5 said:It's shocking that 16/33 people dont think Kramers words are racist....
Hengst said:But the question was NOT - were his words racist?
BUT - was HE racist?
gjohnson5 said:In order to spew a barrage of hate in the manner that he and Mel Gibson did , alcohol or not , means that these people were harboring hatred long before they finally spoke out. In these 2 cases it is impossible for me even in a devil's advocate position (appenantly not for some 50% of the people on this thread) to differentiate the two considering the length or time of the racist tirade and the anger in which the words were spoken
gjohnson5 said:In order to spew a barrage of hate in the manner that he and Mel Gibson did , alcohol or not , means that these people were harboring hatred long before they finally spoke out. In these 2 cases it is impossible for me even in a devil's advocate position (appenantly not for some 50% of the people on this thread) to differentiate the two considering the length or time of the racist tirade and the anger in which the words were spoken
you know megjohnson5 said:Read the book "Heart of Darkness"
There is discrimination even as slaves are gathered in Africa by the dutch and other "settlers"
Slaves were described in terms of thier complection is rich ebony black , and muddy dirty brown...
These type of stigmas still exist today especially in New Orleans where ALMOST noone is 100% black or white. Kids get very light skinned with kinky hair with opposite race parents and they can't even walk into stores without everyone staring at them...
It takes alot of courage to do that especially in places like New Orleans were the opposing racial stereotypes are like "forks being shoved up your ass"
It's shocking that 16/33 people dont think Kramers words are racist....
that's lameGambino said:ghjohnson, for the sake of arguement, do you think it is acceptable that every other black comedian rips on white people?
I realize what kramer said wasn't funny, but an insult is an insult IMO
"Heart of Darkness" is the book for the basis of "Apocalypse Now"gjohnson5 said:Read the book "Heart of Darkness"
There is discrimination even as slaves are gathered in Africa by the dutch and other "settlers"
mountain muscle said:It is this sort of thinking that I take issue with. You automatically brand what they said as "hate", because of the color of their skin. To me that says you harbor hate and should be considered a racist as well. The fact you can't even play devil's advocate reinforces the notion that you are racist.
Not to mention you just couldn't resist using the word "Devil" when talking about two white men.
4everhung said:"Heart of Darkness" is the book for the basis of "Apocalypse Now"
in apocalyse now marlon brando as kurtz reads a passage from TS Eliot's "The Hollow Men"
I
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us -- if at all -- not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.
gjohnson5 said:This stupidity is not even worth responding to.
yeah I pointed that out with my posts about trading whiskey and swords to the natives for slavesgjohnson5 said:Heart of Darkness is a book by Joseph Conrad which deals with exploring the Heard of Africa. As it has been called in the past "Deepest and Darkest Africa"
The book is all about exploitation of tribal fighting for slaves.
Gumaro said:i dont think he is a racis.
i have to ask though. out of all the racist words out there, why is the 'n-word' the only one that we censor?
ahh. speaking of ignorance; i thought cracker came from how white saltine crackers arereaper99 said:I wish more people knew what cracka meant. The word cracka is a racist word. It was used to describe the slave drivers (the ones with the whip) as in cracking the whip. Its all BS entertainment, who the fuck sues somebody over words?

gjohnson5 said:Getting back to this , why does this tirade have to be an attack on everything else around it? What Kramer said is the issue here , not how we treat racial epithets , or what one perverted , twisted , miscontrued mind things of another poster.
The N word is only a small part of the issue , his entire tirade and wha he thinks of other races due to his tirade is
Smurfy said:he's in therapy now. lol
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