is Micheal Richards racist?

[Hengst]

It's shocking that 16/33 people dont think Kramers words are racist....

But the question was NOT - were his words racist?
BUT - was HE racist?

 

[gjohnson5]

In order to spew a barrage of hate in the manner that he and Mel Gibson did , alcohol or not , means that these people were harboring hatred long before they finally spoke out. In these 2 cases it is impossible for me even in a devil's advocate position (appenantly not for some 50% of the people on this thread) to differentiate the two considering the length or time of the racist tirade and the anger in which the words were spoken

But the question was NOT - were his words racist?
BUT - was HE racist?

 

[Gambino]

ghjohnson, for the sake of arguement, do you think it is acceptable that every other black comedian rips on white people?
I realize what kramer said wasn't funny, but an insult is an insult IMO

 

[mountain muscle]

In order to spew a barrage of hate in the manner that he and Mel Gibson did , alcohol or not , means that these people were harboring hatred long before they finally spoke out. In these 2 cases it is impossible for me even in a devil's advocate position (appenantly not for some 50% of the people on this thread) to differentiate the two considering the length or time of the racist tirade and the anger in which the words were spoken

It is this sort of thinking that I take issue with. You automatically brand what they said as "hate", because of the color of their skin. To me that says you harbor hate and should be considered a racist as well. The fact you can't even play devil's advocate reinforces the notion that you are racist.
Not to mention you just couldn't resist using the word "Devil" when talking about two white men.

 

[wakefib]

In order to spew a barrage of hate in the manner that he and Mel Gibson did , alcohol or not , means that these people were harboring hatred long before they finally spoke out. In these 2 cases it is impossible for me even in a devil's advocate position (appenantly not for some 50% of the people on this thread) to differentiate the two considering the length or time of the racist tirade and the anger in which the words were spoken

i see where you are coming from, but i am sure youcan understand that some drugs can make people do some stuff they would NEVER do if they were sober.
maybe i am being bias with this since i remember him as Kramer lol.
for sure his words were racist. that was the most horrible thing i have heard in a long time (the pitch fork part).

 

[musrat98]

I'm not saying whether he is racist or not but, The tapes do not show the two guys heckeling him all night calling him names and disrupting the show for other people in the audience.
He had enough of it and lost his temper. I think what he said was awful and ignorant, But we all know what can happen when we get pushed to the limit.
I don't think deep down he meant it he was just looking for a way to hurt the guys and lost control of his mouth.

Using the "nigger" word doesn't bother me that much because that is what the guys were being. However the hanging from trees comment was way out of hand and he has completely ruined what carrer he had left.

 

[Spartacus]

Read the book "Heart of Darkness"
There is discrimination even as slaves are gathered in Africa by the dutch and other "settlers"

Slaves were described in terms of thier complection is rich ebony black , and muddy dirty brown...

These type of stigmas still exist today especially in New Orleans where ALMOST noone is 100% black or white. Kids get very light skinned with kinky hair with opposite race parents and they can't even walk into stores without everyone staring at them...

It takes alot of courage to do that especially in places like New Orleans were the opposing racial stereotypes are like "forks being shoved up your ass"

It's shocking that 16/33 people dont think Kramers words are racist....

you know me
I'm just fuckin' around
I had a racist wife from a racist family
she put it as this
"the difference with you is that you really want them to succeed"
she was straight ass blueeye blonde
be walking along and some nigger chciks would yell shit at her out of the blue

 

[Spartacus]

ghjohnson, for the sake of arguement, do you think it is acceptable that every other black comedian rips on white people?
I realize what kramer said wasn't funny, but an insult is an insult IMO

that's lame
you know it
I could get into some long ass socio-pyschological spread about it
it's not the fucking same
the pain and connotations

 

[Spartacus]

Read the book "Heart of Darkness"
There is discrimination even as slaves are gathered in Africa by the dutch and other "settlers"

"Heart of Darkness" is the book for the basis of "Apocalypse Now"
in apocalyse now marlon brando as kurtz reads a passage from TS Eliot's "The Hollow Men"

I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us -- if at all -- not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

 

[Spartacus]

II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer --

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom