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is it really necessary to go to failure on every set?

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snakeryu

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is it really necessary to go to failure on every set? My whole body and nervous system gets tired even when doing isolation. any info?
 
No! In fact i don't ever go to failure. No point. You're not going to build an elite physique by killing yourself everyday in the gym to failure. It should be progression in strength over a period of time. CNS overload is a big part of not going to failure. have a plan! Don't just go in and do everything but the kitchen sink to failure and think it was a good training session. Set a weight and rep goal for that day and if you reach it next time move up in weight.
 
i think its very important to go until failure...I do every set i wouldn't recommend to set a number. Your muscles cant count go all out get the most reps you can get. Ronnie Coleman goes until failure... he say "I never go under 10 reps" as you can see he does 10 reps or more until failure in fact almost all bodybuilders go until failure. How can you expect to get big is you don't try as hard as you can? NO PAIN NO GAIN! go all out bro its necessary!!!
 
hell no. I usually take one exercise and one set and go to failure. Usually its like, cable pressdowns, and thats after heavy skulls/presses.
 
MuscleFr3ak101 said:
i think its very important to go until failure...I do every set i wouldn't recommend to set a number. Your muscles cant count go all out get the most reps you can get. Ronnie Coleman goes until failure... he say "I never go under 10 reps" as you can see he does 10 reps or more until failure in fact almost all bodybuilders go until failure. How can you expect to get big is you don't try as hard as you can? NO PAIN NO GAIN! go all out bro its necessary!!!
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Spoken like a true "hardcore" young newbie. Does the average person have ronnie colemans genetics or any other elite bb's genetics? NO! We are not them so we shouldn't train the way they do. For the average guy stopping short of failure is best so that you can recover and come back stronger the next week forcing the muscle to adapt and get stronger/ bigger. What do you think killing yourself with massive volume everyday is going to do?... Just kill your ability to recover. Muscle is built in the kitchen and in bed not by destroying each bodypart with 20 sets of x reps so you can't move them.
 
dolf215 said:
Spoken like a true "hardcore" young newbie. Does the average person have ronnie colemans genetics or any other elite bb's genetics?
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you forgot most importantly all the drugs that allows him to train and recover like that.
 
I go to failure on the last set. But not fall down, puking failure. I usually hit 4 reps and can't do another ... decrease the weight very quickly and do 2 more ... repeat.

Easy to get overtrained, so I watch my moods and sleep patterns. I back off or just do this with one basic per body part if I see I am drained. Might take an extra day off.

My nervous system is used to this and I can tell in a day if it is time to recovery more. However ..... if I am in a cycle, I recovery very quickly.
 
snakeryu said:
is it really necessary to go to failure on every set? My whole body and nervous system gets tired even when doing isolation. any info?
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every set?

No.


I do as many as I can do knowing the next rep I would need a spotter and then I rack the bar before doing that rep.
 
Whats genetics have to do with reps until failure? Every rep helps you build more muscle...and if you are worried about being sore the next day you shouldent be lifting. Take lots of protein and that will help you recover.. I still say until failure is the best way to go to get bigger and stronger.
 
MuscleFr3ak101 said:
Whats genetics have to do with reps until failure? Every rep helps you build more muscle...and if you are worried about being sore the next day you shouldent be lifting. Take lots of protein and that will help you recover.. I still say until failure is the best way to go to get bigger and stronger.
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Oh, since a 14 yr old 115lb kid says it's the best way to lift for bigger and stronger muscles, we should all listen, right?


Overtraining. That's why.


Lifiting weights does not build muscle. Lifting weights breaks muscles down. Breaking it down too much will require extensive recoverytime. It's better to train a little under maximum than it it is to train a little over maximum. Going to failure every single set is asking for overtraining and injury. If you want to do more, take a quick rest and do another set, not overstress yourself with that last rep, every single set. Doing one less rep, and then doing a whole other set is much better.
 
MuscleFr3ak101 said:
Whats genetics have to do with reps until failure? Every rep helps you build more muscle...and if you are worried about being sore the next day you shouldent be lifting. Take lots of protein and that will help you recover.. I still say until failure is the best way to go to get bigger and stronger.
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You have no idea what you are talking about do you. Just put the magazines down and read some of the stickies here...

Oh, and please elighten me on how protein is going to help your CNS recover?
 
he's 14 guys. Hell, when I was 14, I could play football from 9am till 6pm and just bring gatorade and maybe a peanut butter sammich and I was good to go!

Now that I'm 35, I miss being able to do that (not that I would).
 
Right now im doing circuit training but want to stop that just for a 3 weeks and go back to a regular strength train workout. I got frustrated doing this before but I think i never tried doing it without having to go to failure. When i always go to failure, I feel my body is completely tired than the muscle group i am using. I'm not using momentum either. I used a good strict form. I didn't gain any mass or strength. I know when u go to the gym ur suppose to fatigue or put stress on the muscle to make it ripped apart to be rebuild stronger during ur recovery time. I don't even get sore from going to failure when im done with the workout.
 
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MuscleFr3ak101 said:
just tryin to help...
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don't worry.

Sometimes, when people are very insistent, others will believe what you say even if it isn't right. We are just trying to be even more insistent.

you personally can get away with failure set training because you are 14 and have increasingly high testosterone levls. You couldn't overtrain if you tried. but, a 30 year old guy with 1/2 the testosterone you have cannot do failure set training because it will be way to hard on his body. Old men can't do what young guys can do. gota remember that. Even myself, at 24 and former pro baseball pitcher, can't do what I used to when I was a teenager.
 
snakeryu said:
Right now im doing circuit training but want to stop that just for a 3 weeks and go back to a regular strength train workout. I got frustrated doing this before but I think i never tried doing it without having to go to failure. When i always go to failure, I feel my body is completely tired than the muscle group i am using. I'm not using momentum either. I used a good strict form. I didn't gain any mass or strength. I know when u go to the gym ur suppose to fatigue or put stress on the muscle to make it ripped apart to be rebuild stronger during ur recovery time. I don't even get sore from going to failure when im done with the workout.
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gauging how effective your workout was by how sore you are is a poor gauge. Gauge by progression you make. This is why I am stressing the 3x5 or 5x5.
 
ceo said:
gauging how effective your workout was by how sore you are is a poor gauge. Gauge by progression you make. This is why I am stressing the 3x5 or 5x5.
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+1, use a scale and a mirror to track progress. I get sore after every workout, all it means is there is lactic acid build up that your muscles need to get rid of. not a sign of how well your workout went.
 
no i don't measure sore as progression not to be so offenseive but just saying that my muscle are never sore but my body feels somewhat fatigue. 5x5 do u mean 5 sets of 5 reps i already done this and i can do them again without going to failure this time. Trying to figure out if thats the problem has the failure been killing me was it my biggest enemy. I believe im not stimulating the muscle enough since i was doing to failure for every set and each set i end up reducing the number of reps by 2 or 3.
 
MuscleFr3ak101 said:
i think its very important to go until failure...I do every set i wouldn't recommend to set a number. Your muscles cant count go all out get the most reps you can get. Ronnie Coleman goes until failure... he say "I never go under 10 reps" as you can see he does 10 reps or more until failure in fact almost all bodybuilders go until failure. How can you expect to get big is you don't try as hard as you can? NO PAIN NO GAIN! go all out bro its necessary!!!
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First of all, Ronnie Coleman is on like 3 grams of juice a week.

With that being said I think it's important for bodybuilders to go to failure occasionally. It definately is not neccessary for every set though. Not even Ronnie Coleman goes to failure every set.

Actually I don't know this for sure but it would be retarded if he did, without even any type of warm up sets for big compound movements. I'm pretty sure even Ronnie likes to hit maxes or close to them, this would be impossible if all he did was reps to failure.
 
snakeryu said:
no i don't measure sore as progression not to be so offenseive but just saying that my muscle are never sore but my body feels somewhat fatigue. 5x5 do u mean 5 sets of 5 reps i already done this and i can do them again without going to failure this time. Trying to figure out if thats the problem has the failure been killing me was it my biggest enemy. I believe im not stimulating the muscle enough since i was doing to failure for every set and each set i end up reducing the number of reps by 2 or 3.
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read the training info vault stickie thread at the top of the forum.

http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm

progression. Increasing weight lifted. 5x5 does a pretty good job guiding one through this. Use the spreadsheet. Get stronger, lift more weight, get bigger muscles. simple.
 
GUARDIAN said:
i do it but that is what works for me. i use a modified HIT program like Yates.
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So I assume you're only going to failure on your working set(s) then, and not your warmups? So...not every set. :)


That's how I do it with DC too. :chomp:
 
ceo said:
So I assume you're only going to failure on your working set(s) then, and not your warmups? So...not every set. :)


That's how I do it with DC too. :chomp:
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picky picky.....lol

true dat
 
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