Ya I guess they are. nolva beer and some antibiotics. I am no pro Im just that 36 year old guy in the gym thats still pretty big, fairly strong, and look pretty decent. I take care of myself as far as watching my cbc counts and vital fuctions. I dont do to many cycles and when I do they are fairly mild by todays standard and some of these cycles I see used on this board. Im not ripped like u nelson my anymeans. Im 5'11 225-235 bench 315 for 8-10, squat 455 for 8 deep, dead 495 for 8 all I feel respectable but not outstanding. I like to have some beers with my friend and lift weights I guess im crazy or something. I have seen alot of so called health nuts die latly either in accidents, or strokes, heart attacks, cancer, ect. all people my age. I hope my liver can handle it because I half to have some fun in my life. I still cant beleive im 36 already. Im not trying to be reckless. the only time I have had any problems from roids or lifting is when i took beastrol and tbol together for a couple weeks it fucked my liver up for a short time. last time that will happen.