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[digimon7068]

because it doesn't exist, it's a right wing talking point for ending public education and handing it over to the free market. So that more of this can happen...Business-Managed Democracy - Commercialism in Education

i'm actually a big proponent FOR public education...and numerous other necessary services that could never be "profitable", but without them our society would suffer significantly.

 

[redsamurai]

i'm actually a big proponent FOR public education...and numerous other necessary services that could never be "profitable", but without them our society would suffer significantly.

i'm fully aware that public education is broken but getting rid of it isn't the answer. The curriculum has to be changed. There's plenty of kids that will not do well in higher math and science but can do amazing things working with their hands. Give them that avenue. We have this standardized curriculum that herds all the kids down the same road. Let them choose early on what they'd like to specialize in.

 

[Headholio]

and from k-12 there are more often than not, numerous students in the same classes together, who would not have been in the same classes together 20 years ago...and the lower achievers are not performing any better as a result...however, the higher achievers are stagnating because of the commingling.

in other countries, students who have been labeled as "non-academic" are neither subjected to achievement tests nor are they included in the statistics that our system is ultimately compared too.

The international testing methods take pride and make a lot of effort to have random sampling and fair comparisons. Google PISA.
Even the articles that criticize the fairness of the comparison, don't mention a sampling problem, from what I can find.

Here is an article critical of the tests

Apples to Oranges: Are PISA Tests Fair?

 

[mrplunkey]

i'm fully aware that public education is broken but getting rid of it isn't the answer. The curriculum has to be changed. There's plenty of kids that will not do well in higher math and science but can do amazing things working with their hands. Give them that avenue. We have this standardized curriculum that herds all the kids down the same road. Let them choose early on what they'd like to specialize in.

Yeah, that's it. Just fix the curriculum and everything would be just fine. Never mind the drugs, pregnancies, unionized teachers and decades of cultivated generational poverty.

 

[-SD-]

Our public education system has a lot more problems than changing the curriculum.

 

[gjohnson5]

Yeah, that's it. Just fix the curriculum and everything would be just fine. Never mind the drugs, pregnancies, unionized teachers and decades of cultivated generational poverty.

Non of which will be changed by privatizing schools
You make it sound like private companies don't hire unionized workers or poverty will magically disappear once we eliminate gov't jobs

this is utter nonsense. There's no way to describe this post

 

[Headholio]

Non of which will be changed by privatizing schools
You make it sound like private companies don't hire unionized workers or poverty will magically disappear once we eliminate gov't jobs

this is utter nonsense. There's no way to describe this post

Agree!

I think the conclusion is that those perverted drug using Americans just suck. Suckiness is just built into our culture and that's why we don't compete in test scores. People in Finland, Singapore, Japan, Canada, the Netherlands, the Swiss, and many other of those damn socialists around the world are all better than us. Its about time we just admitted it and moved on.

Best Education In The World: Finland, South Korea Top Country Rankings, U.S. Rated Average

 

[mrplunkey]

Non of which will be changed by privatizing schools
You make it sound like private companies don't hire unionized workers or poverty will magically disappear once we eliminate gov't jobs

this is utter nonsense. There's no way to describe this post

I just realized that you have no idea about unionization rates and trends.

Here's you a little homework assignment:

1) What is the unionization rate of public K-12 schools?

2) What is the unionization rate of private K-12 schools?

Dig that up, then reconsider that post.

 

[digimon7068]

The international testing methods take pride and make a lot of effort to have random sampling and fair comparisons. Google PISA.
Even the articles that criticize the fairness of the comparison, don't mention a sampling problem, from what I can find.

Here is an article critical of the tests

Apples to Oranges: Are PISA Tests Fair?

it doesn't have to do with sampling...it has to do with whole groups of people not even being included in the population from which the samples are drawn.

stated more simply...if you are identified as a future factory worker in grade school, you aren't even in the population from which the samples are drawn.

 

[Headholio]

it doesn't have to do with sampling...it has to do with whole groups of people not even being included in the population from which the samples are drawn.

stated more simply...if you are identified as a future factory worker in grade school, you aren't even in the population from which the samples are drawn.

I know what you are saying, but I don't think it works that way. The last article I posted said something about China possibly cheating by manipulating the population where the students come from, but that would be cheating, and an anomoly, not the norm.

How does PISA select a representative sample of students?

To provide valid estimates of student achievement and characteristics, PISA selects a sample of students that represents the full population of 15-year-old students in each participating country and jurisdiction. This population is defined internationally as 15-year-olds attending both public and private schools in grades 7-12. PISA requires a minimum of 4,500 students from a minimum of 150 schools in each participating country and jurisdiction. Within schools, a sample of 35 students must be selected in an equal probability sample unless fewer than 35 students age 15 are available (in which case all students are selected). PISA requires that students in the sample be 15 years and 3 months to 16 years and 2 months at the beginning of the testing period. The school response rate target is 85 percent for all countries and jurisdictions. A minimum participation rate of 65 percent of schools from the original sample of schools is required for a country or jurisdiction’s data to be included in the international database. PISA also requires a minimum participation rate of 80 percent of sampled students from schools within each country and jurisdiction.

Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) - Frequently Asked Questions

If you think about it, it would be unlikely that an international effort to quantify education statistics would have such a glaring flaw in sample selection. That's basic statistics fundamentals.