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BigBoy23

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anyone have problems with there heart skipping beats?

I was taking xenedrine before i worked out for a few weeks and my heart started skipping beats.

its been about a week now and its still the same?
one guy on elite said his doc had to shock his heart back into rythm... anyone experieced this and it went away?

reason i ask is i dont have insurance...

and an ekg, ultrasound, and couple drugs i figure i would be down a few k.

anyone know of any type of supps or drugs supposed to help this?
 
Yes, Magnesium and CoQ10 will help you. You should be okay bro, a while back I had an allergic reaction to a med that caused me to have bad tachycardia. My resting heart rate was so high that it began skipping like crazy. It took a little while but it all came back to normal thank God. But I would stay from stim's I think they're dangerous as hell.
 
40butpumpin said:
But I would stay from stim's I think they're dangerous as hell.

I agree. I'm increasingly under the (unscientific) impression that prolonged use can cause heart damage.
 
BigBoy23 said:
can i buy c0q10 at any drugstore/walmart?

Yes but it won't help. Tyoically people with heart problems are on script meds.

Many people who consume lots of coffee report heart palpatations of heart flutters. I take it you stopped taking the Xenadrine-if not stop. And cut out all caffeine for a few weeks. Any stimulant (including recreational) won't allow your heart to resume a normal rythmn. Also check your resting HR in the morning-take your pulse in your wrist not your neck. Pressing on the carotid artery in your neck can cause your pulse to increase a few BPM. If your heart has a steady rythmn this is good. Many people have arrythmia. It can be fixed thru medication and or surgery. I've heard that prolonged ephedra use can cause heart problems howeever they do subside.

FHG
 
QUIT!

Maybe you should stop using the product and persue an effective ephedrine-free fat loss formula? You could easily have a pre-existing condition which places you at a huge risk for adverse reactions from using Xenadrine.

I've had some complications from ephedrine, which is why I had to switch to by Lean System 7. Here is the website:

www.leansystem7.com

It's really expensive though....
 
Ive quit for about a week..

but i have had some caffine..

so i will cut out he caffine complety and see where i am in about a week...
 
fhg43 said:


Yes but it won't help.
FHG

Huh??? It definitely will help and I have personel experience which unequivocably shows it will. And so will Magnesium. Believe me the last med you want to be on is a heart rhythm med. Stay far, far away from those bro. Stick with the two I told you about as well as avoiding stimulants and you'll do just fine. 7-Keto is a form of DHEA that supposedly will not convert to estrogen. Depending on your age and your own levels it could improve your health a lot. Typically it isn't necessary for people under 40 years of age.
 
Killjoy.....

I know I'm alone on my positive opinion of 7-Keto, but I've had successful fat loss results. The studies have shown that you need to take between 100-200 mg daily for 30 days to begin seeing substantial results. Most 7-Keto products only contain 25-50 mg per serving, so it's a costly nutrient. Which is why I switched to Lean System 7 instead of 7-Keto alone, I get more value for my dollar.

You can see it on medline if you use it's chemical name: 3-acetyl-7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone

It may be a metabolite of DHEA, but it has ZERO hormonal properties & appears safe... It's certainly an effective option for those who can't take or don't like stimulants.

Hope that helps bro!
 
40butpumpin said:


Huh??? It definitely will help and I have personel experience which unequivocably shows it will. And so will Magnesium. Believe me the last med you want to be on is a heart rhythm med. Stay far, far away from those bro. Stick with the two I told you about as well as avoiding stimulants and you'll do just fine. 7-Keto is a form of DHEA that supposedly will not convert to estrogen. Depending on your age and your own levels it could improve your health a lot. Typically it isn't necessary for people under 40 years of age.

Okay 40butpumpin it may have worked for you. However almost ALL clinical studies have shown that CoQ10 may help older individuals with heart disease (ie improve heart health), but younger healthy individuals didn't benefit at all from CoQ10 supplementation.

Now it could work for our guy but...and it could take a few weeks for the CoQ10 to build up in his system and take effect.

I like CoQ10 and tried using it as a endurance supplement, but have cut it back to just an antioxidant. It was too expensive and I couldn't tell if it helped.

I don't think he should mess around-I thinkBigBoy23 should seek medical attention. Heart issues related to too many stimulants are dicey.

FHG
 
fhg43 said:


Okay 40butpumpin it may have worked for you. However almost ALL clinical studies have shown that CoQ10 may help older individuals with heart disease (ie improve heart health), but younger healthy individuals didn't benefit at all from CoQ10 supplementation.

Now it could work for our guy but...and it could take a few weeks for the CoQ10 to build up in his system and take effect.

I like CoQ10 and tried using it as a endurance supplement, but have cut it back to just an antioxidant. It was too expensive and I couldn't tell if it helped.

I don't think he should mess around-I thinkBigBoy23 should seek medical attention. Heart issues related to too many stimulants are dicey.

FHG

I hear what you're saying bro and I agree he should go to a doc, however, I'm assuming he's a young guy (23?) and that means that unless he has some really serious issue with his heart -- which odds are couldn't have come from "a few weeks" of xenidrine -- any good doc would not put him on a rhythm med. There are heart rhythm meds that have been known to cause sudden death. Go figure, but all too true. I'm sorry, I can't agree with CoQ10 not helping younger individuals. Not only have I not come across this in any literature I've been reading, I myself have been taking it with excellent results for quite a while and I'm not that old. Please send me some of the clinical studies if you have access, I'm definitely interested. Magnesium and CoQ10 is your best bet once a doc gives you a look and ruled out anything serious.
 
Re: Killjoy.....

TYPE A said:
...but it has ZERO hormonal properties...

This is not true, it definitely has hormonal properties. Did you read this somewhere? I'd like to know where if you did.
 
I also had the same problem with my ECA. SOmetimes it would feel like i was choking and my heart wold skip like every 6th beat. im better now though
 
40butpumpin, glad you asked....

40butpumpin said:


This is not true, it definitely has hormonal properties. Did you read this somewhere? I'd like to know where if you did.

I read this off of medline and I also found it to be substantiated in the following studies:

Kalman, D.S., et al., "A Randomized,
Double-Blind, Placebo Controlled Study of 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone in Healthy Overweight Adults," Curr Ther Res 61.7 (2000) : 435-42.

Colker, C., et al., "Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled, Randomized Clinical Trail Evaluating the Effects of Exercise Plus 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone on Body Composition and the Endocrine System in Overweight Adults," J Exer Physiol Online 2.4 (1999).

I invite you to prove these false with your information or with any studies that prove even the slightest sign of hormonal properties.
Good luck!
 
While I'm not out to do this just to prove you wrong, I am very interested so I'm going to try to find something either way and post it. Thanks for the info.
 
40butpumping....

Please let us know if you find anything that could be of significance regarding 7-keto in general. There isn't a lot of info availiable and I'm suprised that not too many members here know what it is. I'm positive we'd see it in more products if it were cheaper.

Keep us posted, thanks!
 
40butpumpin said:

Not only have I not come across this in any literature I've been reading, I myself have been taking it with excellent results for quite a while and I'm not that old. Please send me some of the clinical studies if you have access, I'm definitely interested.

40butpumpin:

1. Research from PubMed; search "CoQ10"
The effects of ageing on the response to cardiac surgery: protective strategies for the ageing myocardium.

"With ageing of the general population, increasing numbers of elderly patients are presenting for interventional cardiac treatment such as cardiac surgery, angioplasty and thrombolysis. However, the results of these interventions in the elderly are inferior to those in the young. A likely contributing factor is an age-related reduction in cellular energy production in the myocardium during interventions that induce aerobic or ischaemic stress. Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) has the potential to improve the efficiency of energy production in mitochondria by bypassing defective components in the respiratory chain as well as reducing the effects of oxidative stress. We hypothesised that CoQ10 pretreatment prior to stress could improve the post-stress recovery of the myocardium. We investigated this hypothesis in three studies. In Study 1, isolated hearts taken from senescent or mature rats, pre-treated with CoQ10 were subjected to rapid electrical pacing and the recovery of work after pacing as a percentage of pre-pacing level was measured. In Study 2, human atrial tissue obtained at the time of open heart surgery was subjected to simulated ischaemia in the organ bath after incubation with CoQ10 or vehicle and recovery measured. Study 3 was a clinical trial of oral CoQ10 therapy for 2 weeks pre-operatively in patients undergoing elective cardiac surgery. Study 1. CoQ10 treatment in senescent rat hearts improved recovery of work after rapid pacing (48.1+/-4.1 vs 16.8+/-4.3%; P < 0.0001) and MVO2 (82.1+/-2.8 vs 61.3+/-4.0%; P < 0.01) in treated versus untreated hearts respectively. Study 2. Post-ischaemic human trabeculae from the > or =70 years old group displayed less contractile recovery compared to the <70 years old group, but this difference was abolished by CoQ10 pre-incubation. Study 3: respiration by mitochondria isolated from trabeculae was more efficient after CoQ10 pretreatment than placebo. Compared to placebo, CoQ10 patients had a lower release of Troponin I, improved cardiac pump function and a shorter length of stay in hospital. In conclusion: 1) Senescent hearts have reduced baseline function and reduced tolerance to aerobic stress compared to young hearts. 2) Pre-treatment with oral CoQ10 improves baseline function of the senescent myocardium and its tolerance to aerobic stress. 3) CoQ10 pre-treatment in vitro overcomes the reduced capacity of aged human heart muscle to recover contractile function after ischaemia compared to younger muscle. 4) Oral CoQ10 therapy before cardiac surgery improves efficiency of mitochondrial energy production, improves post-operative heart function, reduces intra-operative myocardial damage and shortens hospital stay."


2. Research from PubMed; search "CoQ10 athletes"
Does exogenous coenzyme Q10 affect aerobic capacity in endurance athletes?

"The effect of orally supplemented coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) on plasma CoQ10 concentration and aerobic capacity in endurance athletes was evaluated. Eighteen volunteer male road cyclists and triathletes, 8 in a CoQ10 supplementation group (QG) and 10 in a placebo group (PG), successfully completed the experimental protocol. Subjects were evaluated during and following graded cycling exercise tests, which were performed before and after 28 days of supplementation with 1 mg.kg-1.day-1 of CoQ10 or placebo. The presupplementation plasma CoQ10 concentration was significantly increased from 0.91 +/- 0.13 microgram.ml-1 to 1.97 +/- 0.27 microgram.ml-1 in QG following supplementation (p < .05). However, the CoQ10 supplementation regime had no consistently significant effect on oxygen uptake, anaerobic and respiratory compensation thresholds, blood lactate, glucose and triglyceride kinetics, heart rate, and blood pressure during and after graded cycling to exhaustion."

I came across another study which purported that the test group of XC skiiers had improved performances but it actually reads "athletes felt it improved performance." There is big difference between measuring performance and feeling something improves performance.

Point being: CoQ10 supplementation appears to have a benefit in aging patients or individuals with heart problems, BUT it doesn't appear to have any kind of athletic performance-enhancing benefits. For this reason I have regulated it to antioxidant only status-I had been supplementing to aid in athletic performance, but wasn't feeling it! Still think it is a good anti-ox/free radical killer. It just doesn't make you bigger, faster, or stronger.

FHG
 
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