Irishmobboss

[gorilla_boy]

What's this shit you spout about knowing people in the IRA?

They're the scum of the earth just like the INLA, The Real IRA, UVF, UFF, Red Hand Commando etc, etc, etc...

Explain your position and fascination, please.

 

[theoak01]

well I will explain it like this,I was raised very strict Irish catholic, Greatgrandad was IRA brought up with strong pro Ireland beliefs and have met people through relatives. I wouldnt say I have a fascination just want what ever other Irishmen wants a free Ireland. as for being the same as the real IRA your wrong, the real IRA are just people who could not be controlled in the IRA and got pissed when the IRA decided they would try to talk peacefully with the Brits and kept on with the violence. I in no way think its cool to bomb school children or kill people in front of their family but I like there beliefs in wanting a free Ireland. so I guess you can say I like the goal but not the actions they are taking to get there. however its a two way street and not all actions are unjustified.

satisfied?

 

[gorilla_boy]

And this is coming from someone who as a stupid kid got the Red Hand of Ulster tattoo'd on his arm. It's been covered since.

 

[theoak01]

who got the red hand of ulster on their arm?

 

[gorilla_boy]

who got the red hand of ulster on their arm?

I did. Young, angry and looking for a cause.

I'm just troubled by your obvious love of people who are nothing more than terrorists and thugs.

 

[theoak01]

I do understand what your saying,its not so much of a love is they were actively working for what I want so I agree in that way,and really its what ive known all my life. I am seeing other ways to support a free Ireland other than the IRA and am thinking of getting my ink covered aswell so its just the flag of Ireland

 

[Mandinka2]

I did. Young, angry and looking for a cause.

I'm just troubled by your obvious love of people who are nothing more than terrorists and thugs.

Some are psychopaths , some are deluded idealists who believe in Lenin's old creed "To make an omelette you have to break some eggs". As Oak points out , not all are the same , there is a world of difference between the INLA ,the IRA , the IRB (old IRA) and the Shankhill butchers.

 

[Mandinka2]

And this is coming from someone who as a stupid kid got the Red Hand of Ulster tattoo'd on his arm. It's been covered since.

Bro , please explain out of all the loony organisations in the world to choose from , u happened to pick one of the sickest (and yeh the INLA is right up there as well). I really would like to know.

 

[Mr. dB]

"Free Ireland" my ass. Sovereignty is bullshit, the only difference it makes is whose picture they put on the money. It's not going to make any difference in people's daily lives one way or the other.

 

[theoak01]

you obviously dont understand how different northern and southern ireland are ran, as the south gets rich the north is becoming more poor.

 

[Mr. dB]

you obviously dont understand how different northern and southern ireland are ran, as the south gets rich the north is becoming more poor.

Well, who in their right mind would invest in the North right now?

 

[theoak01]

explain yourself boy,dont just make a blank statement

 

[gorilla_boy]

Bro , please explain out of all the loony organisations in the world to choose from , u happened to pick one of the sickest (and yeh the INLA is right up there as well). I really would like to know.

It was just an expression of my heritage, not support of Red Hand Commando. And yeah, the RHC are as bad as they come.

 

[gorilla_boy]

I do understand what your saying,its not so much of a love is they were actively working for what I want so I agree in that way,and really its what ive known all my life. I am seeing other ways to support a free Ireland other than the IRA and am thinking of getting my ink covered aswell so its just the flag of Ireland

For the tattoo thing, we all do some silly shit when we're young and seeking our identity...

 

[Mandinka2]

It was just an expression of my heritage, not support of Red Hand Commando. And yeah, the RHC are as bad as they come.

Cool man , I can understand that (heritage). The INLA were some of the meanest scum to ever walk as well , in the end they tore each other to pieces , although they have risen from the dead as a crime gang in the South.

 

[gorilla_boy]

Some are psychopaths , some are deluded idealists who believe in Lenin's old creed "To make an omelette you have to break some eggs". As Oak points out , not all are the same , there is a world of difference between the INLA ,the IRA , the IRB (old IRA) and the Shankhill butchers.

Like my Da says "Small country, small minds".

 

[theoak01]

ya we certainly do some silly shit,but its there and its still the flag so it will most likely stay

 

[Mr. dB]

explain yourself boy,dont just make a blank statement

Me?

My point was who's gonna invest in industry and infrastructure in an area that is still unstable?

Question: Does Eire even WANT Ulster back?

 

[theoak01]

I certainly cant speak for all people in Ireland, but I know peace is the main concern, Ireland will be one ,and the people of the north are wanting to unite more and more as they see how the brits take care of them

 

[Mandinka2]

Me?

My point was who's gonna invest in industry and infrastructure in an area that is still unstable?

Question: Does Eire even WANT Ulster back?

Infrastructure is ready to go , no problem there , residual problem with some elements still exist but very small and only in certain areas (South Armagh comes to mind , Falls road in Belfast).

Eire wants it back but ONLY when they're ready to cop themselves on and work like the rest of us, none of that tit for tat killing shit please. I think we're looking at 3 generations minmimum before the bitterness is bred outta them , by that stage they'll be dirt poor and begging.

 

[Mandinka2]

I certainly cant speak for all people in Ireland, but I know peace is the main concern, Ireland will be one ,and the people of the north are wanting to unite more and more as they see how the brits take care of them

Honestly Oak , it's not the fault of the English anymore , most of the hardliners in the North are of Scottish descent (Free Presbyterian). The folks in the North need to take responsibility for their own behaviour and stop blamin old rivalries.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I certainly cant speak for all people in Ireland, but I know peace is the main concern, Ireland will be one ,and the people of the north are wanting to unite more and more as they see how the brits take care of them

I think that you need to spend some time talking to Mandinka about this topic........he knows his stuff.

BTW when was the last time you spent enough time in Ireland to judge what the average person over there wants?

 

[Imnotdutch]

why do you think I said I dont speak for all in Ireland, and yes Mandinka is a fountain of knowledge and I enjoy conversation with him a great deal. I speak what I have learned Im not always right.

Then you contradicted yourself in a big way..........

First you say you can not speak for all in Ireland.........then you tell us what the people of the north want. Surely that cant be judged without linving there for an extended period?

 

[theoak01]

why do you think I said I dont speak for all in Ireland, and yes Mandinka is a fountain of knowledge and I enjoy conversation with him a great deal. I speak what I have learned Im not always right.

 

[theoak01]

knowledge I aquired from a conversation with mandinka,the north is becoming poor where as the south is prospering,and mandinkas posts explain what I intended I just couldnt find the words to express it properly

 

[Mandinka2]

Listen lads , no need for anyone to be gettin shirty here , Oak is a young lad full of energy and is only startin to learn about the important things in life (like rugby lol). He's also (already big) enough to admit that he might not be right , Bouncer and myself have already extended our hand whenever he's ready there's plenty to learn.
Dutch and others are a lot closer to the coalface here and so we know that things in our countries have moved on a lot from the old days of bitter rivalries. English people are by in large incredibly tolerant of the Irish even when some of them participated in disgraceful leaching off their state. And in the same vein we shouldnt go moaning on about past indiscretions , there are only uneducated people on either island who believe that the other crowd have genuine issues with them. Most of us are too busy trying to earn a crust and keep the economy going to worry about nonsense (and it IS nonsense Oak) in the North , like I said , min. 3 generations before these folk are ready to be part of any modern society.

 

[theoak01]

thanks for clearing that up bro,I have quite a bit of learning to do,and do appreciate you and Bouncer offering the knowledge I seek

 

[Mandinka2]

thanks for clearing that up bro,I have quite a bit of learning to do,and do appreciate you and Bouncer offering the knowledge I seek

We're all Irish Oak , and Bouncer and myself would be only to happy to explain the whole thing to you over a pint or 10 (although he promises me he's on the tea these days lol). Anytime u can make it as far as Munich , ur only too welcome to crash , and if Im at home well that goes doubly. The same goes for Dutch.

 

[Imnotdutch]

We're all Irish Oak , and Bouncer and myself would be only to happy to explain the whole thing to you over a pint or 10 (although he promises me he's on the tea these days lol). Anytime u can make it as far as Munich , ur only too welcome to crash , and if Im at home well that goes doubly. The same goes for Dutch.

I appreciate the offer Mandinka.

Just a subject close to my heart.........I guess I'll be grown up about it

 

[gorilla_boy]

thanks for clearing that up bro,I have quite a bit of learning to do,and do appreciate you and Bouncer offering the knowledge I seek

This is the best quote on N.Ireland I've ever heard (sorry, it's paraphrased, I don't remember the exact wording)

"If you think you know what's going on, you have no idea."

There's a hell of a lot of grey, no black and white.

 

[gorilla_boy]

This is the best quote on N.Ireland I've ever heard (sorry, it's paraphrased, I don't remember the exact wording)

"If you think you know what's going on, you have no idea."

There's a hell of a lot of grey, no black and white.

or:

"If you think you understand what's going on, you're just confused,''

 

[Imnotdutch]

or:

"If you think you understand what's going on, you're just confused,''

or: if you think you know the answer then you dont understand the question.

 

[ZKaudio]

or you could move

 

[Mandinka2]

I appreciate the offer Mandinka.

Just a subject close to my heart.........I guess I'll be grown up about it

Anytime my friend , Im sure we'll have a full on barney on this board when tuc , fatrat and Bouncer all join in! So long as we can still laugh about it tomorow I'm fine with it. I understand that it's a subject that upsets people , it has been like that for generations and what has that upset achieved? Nothing other than pain and misery. There are real bad folks , bad folks and decent folks on both sides here and so the waters are often very muddled but fuck it , there's always the World Cup in Australia.....personally I see England doing very well down there with real trouble only from the Kiwis and the Wallabies.

 

[Imnotdutch]

but fuck it , there's always the World Cup in Australia.....personally I see England doing very well down there with real trouble only from the Kiwis and the Wallabies.

lol way to put things into perspective As of late we have been doing well........just a matter of keeping our heads straight (but whats the chances of that happening ).

 

[benevolent anarchist]

My mother and father are first generation Americans—both of their parents came over from Ireland. My mother’s father was a Protestant. My father’s father is Catholic and was in the IRA. (still remember him proudly showing us the scar from a bullet he took in the leg.) In Ireland, they might have tried to kill each other. In America they’re just in-laws. Ahh well, both are dead now. May they rest in peace. I’m not certain, but I’m pretty sure that they made it to heaven a full half hour before the devil knew they were dead.

 

[theoak01]

much appreciate the offer my friend,and I cant wait till the worlds either, England will do very well this year I agree they have such quick backs and a strong pack, as for us,we wont do to well our backs are weak but I will still Cheer, I see the wallabies taking it