Introduction and Seeking Knowledgeable and Experienced Advice

[joeblow12345]

Joeblow12345; are you suggesting Primo and Masterone together, or separately? I'd love to get my hands on some Primo, but not sure I can at the moment... What do you guys think about using Deca alone? I think it's a good idea to use a single substance for my first go around, but don't want to waste my time, or $ for that matter. I've been in the game for about 15 yrs, and it has taken me this long to go for it, so I want to do it right. Makes sense right? We can't be too paranoid about wreaking the bodies we put so much time and effort into, right? I wouldn't hesitant on the Var, but as I'm sure everyone would agree it's so damn expensive. Also, aside from this site it seems that Nolva and Clomid are the way to go for PCT. Am I mistaken? I was planning on using HCG towards the end if suppression was evident, and Clomid PCT, with Nolva on hand. I'm sure I'm worrying way too much, but again this would be my first cycle and I can't risk looking bloated at the time being, and obviously don't want to develop Gyno. What is the probability and degree I would expect to see sides @ 10wks, 500mg Test C/E, while using Aromasin, Proscar and doing the aforementioned PCT?

Thanks again in advance!

I would run primo alone or with test p. Anavar is expensive but it will keep you lean and hard. I definitely recommend the hcg. Sides are all dependent on the individual, not everyone will respond the same. I think test p and masterone p would be a cheaper option to test, primo depending on who you get it from. But your money your choice. Keep an ai on hand through out the cycle in case you get gyno or water retension. Test p isnt that bad for water retention I think its worth adding to var, primo, or mast. Clomid works but some get sides from it and I personally am not a fan of nolva. There are some supps that get great reviews for pct from needtobuildmuscle. Its up to you. But overall I think your worrying to much you know how to train and diet so juice is the only piece of the puzzle missing. Pick one or 2 steroids of your choice and run them at a mild dosage. No need for overkill. Too many people run way too much I urge you to avoid this. My first cycle I ran 500 mgs test a week and had phenomenol results. Some people run high doses and the benefits dont increase that much, while the chances for sides skyrocket. Keep it simple and youll be ok.

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[stevesmi]

dylangemelli Who makes Helladrol? I've never heard of it. Is it a designer, or a prohormone? I looking for quality (slower) gains rather than a lot of H2O weight. If you could send me a link to your log I'll be sure to check it out.

its a designer.

I would take radars advice and go with var.. or any DHT if you don't want water. heck how bout a primo only cycle for 12 weeks. no test added. you will get exactly what you are asking for. inject 100mg ED. thats it and simple

 

[RADAR]

its a designer.

I would take radars advice and go with var.. or any DHT if you don't want water. heck how bout a primo only cycle for 12 weeks. no test added. you will get exactly what you are asking for. inject 100mg ED. thats it and simple

Thank you steve, Deca will bloat you up,plus kill your libido and recovery is a bitch thats something you do not want, actually alot of these suggestions are too much for your line of work, stick to var you can't go wrong!

 

[Ripp42]

Your First cycle doesn't have to be test. In your line of work you could use a light dosage of Beastdrol, Primobolin, or even anavar.

This ^^^

Dont think ud wanna do test if you did I keep it at 100-250 ah week

 

[Ripp42]

I'm thinking Anavar might be the way to go for the time being. I understand sides effects are relatively mild with Var, but would most of you experienced individuals suggest having Arimedex, HCG and Clomid on hand? Also, opinions on clomid v. Nolvadex would be really appreciated.

Clomid and nolva suck honesty theres better stuff out there now. Clomid is just an option but u dont need it with pct/ unleashed as far as nolva and letro that is only if gyno show it is not pct. Out of the two I would get letro jus keep it on hand.

 

[The Bavarian Creamer]

So it's either going to be Primo or Anavar. Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is Primo will be better for size, but worse for hair loss. Anavar would be better for strength, but worse on derogatory lipid changes. Both bring comparable in positive affects in conditioning. Are UGL's generally a good way to good for Primo? I understand that it is often counterfeited, and or under-dosed... Also, would using Propecia with Primo, and Lipitor (or something similar) with Anavar mitigate the negative sides of each? How long could each potentially be run? With an ideal diet and training how much weight gain could be expected by a first time user? (Periodic blood work would be done through cycle.)

Second question is for PCT. my understanding is HCG towards end of cycle then AI and SERM PCT. If I wanted to treat some minimal preexisting gyno, can I do it while on cycle? Aromasin v. Arimidex v. Letro and why? Might not need it for either Primo or Var, but good to have in case, but can I treat gyno while on cycle? And which is best? Some estrogen is good, right? There have been suggestions of Unleashed, And Post Cycle, what are they, and why are the better options than clomid/nolvadex? What other ancillaries would be beneficial and best?

 

[RADAR]

So it's either going to be Primo or Anavar. Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is Primo will be better for size, but worse for hair loss. Anavar would be better for strength, but worse on derogatory lipid changes. Both bring comparable in positive affects in conditioning. Are UGL's generally a good way to good for Primo? I understand that it is often counterfeited, and or under-dosed... Also, would using Propecia with Primo, and Lipitor (or something similar) with Anavar mitigate the negative sides of each? How long could each potentially be run? With an ideal diet and training how much weight gain could be expected by a first time user? (Periodic blood work would be done through cycle.)

Second question is for PCT. my understanding is HCG towards end of cycle then AI and SERM PCT. If I wanted to treat some minimal preexisting gyno, can I do it while on cycle? Aromasin v. Arimidex v. Letro and why? Might not need it for either Primo or Var, but good to have in case, but can I treat gyno while on cycle? And which is best? Some estrogen is good, right? There have been suggestions of Unleashed, And Post Cycle, what are they, and why are the better options than clomid/nolvadex? What other ancillaries would be beneficial and best?

You don't need letro or Adex as Anavar doesn't aromatise

you won't get gyno on var cases that are reported are rare.
you will still need a PCT Post cycle and Unleashed are all you need.

 

[RADAR]

actually i'm suprised at some of the suggestions here, He's a model remember? his body is near perfect if they are accepting him for photoshoots, nothing dramatic is needed.

 

[Cutiebolic]

actually i'm suprised at some of the suggestions here, He's a model remember? his body is near perfect if they are accepting him for photoshoots, nothing dramatic is needed.

Radar, I agree with the above, but he did say he's looking to gain about 30 lb. I don't think Anavar is going to do this for him.

I don't know what he's doing for training/nutrition right now. Obviously these are going to be key and slowly trying a very lean bulk will be his best bet.

For supps I would've thought some high quality test cyp at a low dose (sub 250/wk) with frequent (even daily, if you can tolerate the pinning) dosing. This will keep his serum levels as steady as possible and keep sides to a minimum. Also, if he is going to have some kind of a reaction it will be minimal and he can stop immediately. Arimidex and possibly HCG would, I think, be enough here but I would love to hear why not too.

Run this way couldn't he potentially do this "cycle" indefinitely? I would think this would give him the best odds of achieving a side-free lean bulk, although it could take a good amount of time.

Thoughts?

 

[Judo Tom]

first I just want to say if I was in your shoes I would listen to RADAR.. but at the same time ill throw out some other options ideas as well.. just for fun or to keep you researching a bit.. sorry im not trying to confuse you but here it goes

EpiStrong - epistane - Great mild non bloating steroid and very easy to recover from. maybe a low dose for 4-6 weeks

test only 250mg a week. you shouldnt get any sides or bloat if so formastanzol will control it. its a low dose but if your stats are accurate im guessing you know how to train and diet very very well and then this dosage would yield some nice gains

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again just some options

but you cant go wrong w/ anavar only

Good Luck