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Acneman, for the first time user would you advise them to use humulin r or humalog?
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either is good for a first time user as long as you work your way up in dosage and follow my safety plan
i always use humulin R cause it cheap and available
i havent heard of humulog being better just a little safer
i always use humulin R cause it cheap and available
i havent heard of humulog being better just a little safer
Good work, acneman. You always put a lot of effort into your posts.
Just a couple things. What kind of insulin to chose depends on your goals, cycle and schedule. There is no one perfect type insulin for everyone. For example, for bulking with steroids, the best insulin might just be a super slow 12 hour type. The longer the exogenous insulin is bio-active in the system, the more anabolism will result. 12 hour insulins do not have the pronounced "peak" that the very fast insulins have so nutrient timing is not so critical. You will actually get more surprise hypoglycemic reactions from the fast brands. But one must keep up the 6 meal-proper carb/protein balence all day with the slow stuff. The big boys use a combo of super-slow and fast insulins.....this is for the advanced.
Another option is to divide up doses into 2's or 3's during the day using a faster insulin. Of course, you must pay close attention to your blood sugar level each time.......but generally you will get much bigger than with a one shot fast approach. The insulin just is not in the system long enough to make major size differences otherwise.
But there are good reasons to use the fast insulins and/or inject once per day. I use humalog with GH to combat the body's down-regulation of insulin sensitivity caused by exogenous GH use. Also, if your schedule, job, etc. does not permit the time required to get it right with slow insulin, or multiple doses, then you have no choice.......and you will see noticeable improvements with even one daily dose of fast stuff. I gained 8 additional pounds of good weight on a cycle I had done many times when I first incorporated humulin-r one time a day.
Humalog is easier and safer than humulin-r in my opinion. Humalog is a "meal-time" insulin, so you take in the carbs and protein at the same time as the injection, and the peak is very predictable at one hour. Humulin-r has shocked me with late hypoglycemic reactions several times despite perfect timing of nutrients. With "r", I'm going to wait 15 min. to 30 min. before taking in my first carb/protein drink.
Some users think carb intake means just simple carbs.....sugar. You will likely get hypoglycemic unless you balence in an equal amount of complex carbs........Endurox is nice for this......almost like it was made for insulin abusers. Best drink with insulin? OJ, Endurox, Cell-tech and zero cab Isopure.
Insulin is a great weapon in our arsenal. Hit a plateau?.....go with insulin. I promise you will start growing again. Throw in rHGH and get big and lean.
But yes, you need to know what you are doing, and posts like acneman's are the place to start.
BTW.....never known of anyone to die or become diabetic from common sense use of insulin.
I once got an email from a kid who was just about to inject 100iu's of humulin-r.....he didn't understand the ml/iu conversion. Now that would have been "lights out" for sure, so do be careful out there.
Just a couple things. What kind of insulin to chose depends on your goals, cycle and schedule. There is no one perfect type insulin for everyone. For example, for bulking with steroids, the best insulin might just be a super slow 12 hour type. The longer the exogenous insulin is bio-active in the system, the more anabolism will result. 12 hour insulins do not have the pronounced "peak" that the very fast insulins have so nutrient timing is not so critical. You will actually get more surprise hypoglycemic reactions from the fast brands. But one must keep up the 6 meal-proper carb/protein balence all day with the slow stuff. The big boys use a combo of super-slow and fast insulins.....this is for the advanced.
Another option is to divide up doses into 2's or 3's during the day using a faster insulin. Of course, you must pay close attention to your blood sugar level each time.......but generally you will get much bigger than with a one shot fast approach. The insulin just is not in the system long enough to make major size differences otherwise.
But there are good reasons to use the fast insulins and/or inject once per day. I use humalog with GH to combat the body's down-regulation of insulin sensitivity caused by exogenous GH use. Also, if your schedule, job, etc. does not permit the time required to get it right with slow insulin, or multiple doses, then you have no choice.......and you will see noticeable improvements with even one daily dose of fast stuff. I gained 8 additional pounds of good weight on a cycle I had done many times when I first incorporated humulin-r one time a day.
Humalog is easier and safer than humulin-r in my opinion. Humalog is a "meal-time" insulin, so you take in the carbs and protein at the same time as the injection, and the peak is very predictable at one hour. Humulin-r has shocked me with late hypoglycemic reactions several times despite perfect timing of nutrients. With "r", I'm going to wait 15 min. to 30 min. before taking in my first carb/protein drink.
Some users think carb intake means just simple carbs.....sugar. You will likely get hypoglycemic unless you balence in an equal amount of complex carbs........Endurox is nice for this......almost like it was made for insulin abusers. Best drink with insulin? OJ, Endurox, Cell-tech and zero cab Isopure.
Insulin is a great weapon in our arsenal. Hit a plateau?.....go with insulin. I promise you will start growing again. Throw in rHGH and get big and lean.
But yes, you need to know what you are doing, and posts like acneman's are the place to start.
BTW.....never known of anyone to die or become diabetic from common sense use of insulin.
I once got an email from a kid who was just about to inject 100iu's of humulin-r.....he didn't understand the ml/iu conversion. Now that would have been "lights out" for sure, so do be careful out there.
this post answered most of my questions, thanks! =)
i'm using GH 5/2 at 4iu at the moment, but no insulin since i didn't know all about it.
but til i start stacking with insu, when is the best time to shoot the GH to make sure my natural insulinlevels are the highest???
before a highcarb meal, at the same time or after???
i'm using GH 5/2 at 4iu at the moment, but no insulin since i didn't know all about it.
but til i start stacking with insu, when is the best time to shoot the GH to make sure my natural insulinlevels are the highest???
before a highcarb meal, at the same time or after???
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ROAD DOG i agree with caiza you should start low and work up since it is new to you. since you have experience with humulin R starting at 6IU is not out of line but my advice is start at 4IU and work up. after you have used it once it will be easier to start a little higher next time
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ironmasterironmaster said:
a lot of very smart people (like yourself) have stated that humulin n (the long acting insulin) would be much more effective. i agree with this but the long acting insulin requires very strict control of diet and activity to be safe and should be left to experienced users like yourself. a lack of attention to activity like suddenly getting into a pickup bball game could burn up blood sugar levels and forgetting about it could result in a disaster. i have no doubt that you have more than enough dicipline to use slin in this way. lets say this is an option for the more mature(not an age jab) and experienced user of slin. a good option. the 70/30 (70% slow 30% fast acting)mix slin would be another cycle left to the insulin vet for the same reasons.
ironmaster said:
the only problem i see with this plan is once again the dicipline to be safe also since i recomend a watcher you need constant access to someone you trust to know what you are doing. if you have a training partner at work you could watch each other.
my plan was designed for ease of use, practicality and safety. but i must say these other options you mentioned could be safe but mabey a little tougher on the practicalty and ease of use side.
ive never heard of a bodybuilder dying with slin but i know that diabetics have and i have had to fight a person in insulin shock to save his life. his doctor changed his insulin and even though he used it according to instructions he got a nasty suprise about 3 hours after going to sleep.
complex carbs. definately i should have mentioned in my post.
the carb/protein drink should be simple carbs but the meals afterward should definetly have a mix heavy in complex carbs. very good point.
i agree that humulog should be hypothetically safer( ive never tried it) because it out of the body faster so you have fewer suprises. but you have to admit that by this criteria the slower slins must have added risks.
ironmaster your range of knowledge and ability to articulate that knowledge never ceases to amaze me. lets here it for the intellectual bodybuilders of the world.
when i pm'ed you i had a strong feeling you would disagree with some of what i posted and thats exactly what i wanted
thank you very much for taking the time to post that great and very informative post on alternative (at least to me) use of slin.
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