Insulin FAQ by Acneman

[ironmaster]

when i pm'ed you i had a strong feeling you would disagree with some of what i posted and thats exactly what i wanted

I'm not in disagreement at all with you, young brother. Everything you said in your original post is sound, safe advice for the novice insulin user. Rather than repeat your advice, I thought I would expand on some other tactics in using insulin once one is comfortable with it.
When I say that "n" is superior for bulking, this is from experience. And I never get hypo'ed with it, unlike the fast stuff.
In the winter I run something similar to the 70/30 split (always humalog with GH after lifting) and get up near 250 at 5'11 on a mix of 40 ius a day. (new people....don't even think about using 40 iu's.....4iu once a day is a good place to start). It's not perfect weight, but pretty damn good.......I cut that back to 235 in the spring, and always have net lean mass gains. But....I'm about half retired, so I have time to do it right, and my woman (also a bodybuilder) is great about having all the meals set out in the fridge for the day. That's why I said that the fast insulins are the only option for busy people.
You really should try the Humalog........you can order it on line w/o a script. Then you are only dealing with 2 hours tops, instead of 4+. It is so quick, that it's easy even for a busy person to dose at least twice a day. If you jam in the nutrients during those active periods, you will be real happy with the results.
Inject the first shot at breakfast time and immediately take in the carb/protein drink. When you get to work/class.......some egg whites, rice and fruit, and you are set. Second inject after lifting in late afternoon.
Insulin is a great tool when used correctly. (people always say "oh, I don't want to get fat".....you won't unless you eat fat!) What I especially like is that insulin makes you bigger all over evenly, as it shuttles nutrients quickly to where they are needed. I consider insulin management to be one of the 3 keys to successful bodybuilding.
I used to always refer novices to Monster's Insulin Primer, but now this post of yours will be the one. You are a very thoughtful contributor here acneman, and a gentleman as well.....nice traits to possess.

 

[acneman]

well mabey disagreement was too strong a word.

thanks again for making this a more complete thread ironmaster

 

[acneman]

hey guys

 

[ironmaster]

So where have you been lately, brother? I've missed your topic starters.

 

[acneman]

sorry ive been away sir and will be sort of abscent for a while longer

work problems and children sick

just saw the big insulin uproar and thought id bump it up

 

[ironmaster]

I understand. Sometimes real life gets in the way of things. As a father of 5, I can testify to that.

 

[acneman]

damn 5 !!!

got three and one on the way myself

 

[DrJMW]

either is good for a first time user as long as you work your way up in dosage and follow my safety plan

i always use humulin R cause it cheap and available
i havent heard of humulog being better just a little safer

Humalog is SAFER. Lower concentration; if you make a mistake, your overdose won't be as great as with Humulin. Humalog is 100 U per ml. Humulin is 500 U per ml. The average diabetic uses 0.2U per KG per meal. For a 100KG man (220 pounds), that's only 20U. I personally do not advocate the use of Insulin for the risks are much greater than the reward. With all this posting, I am sure that Acneman is willing to assume all responsibility for the bad results that will occur with people following his advice. The body prodcues sufficient Insulin for everybody's needs except the Pros. They are willing to die to be #1, are you? Sure, some of us want to emulate the pros. There rewards are much greater if they win. but the risks are the same for both. If 95% of you never supplement with Insulin, you will still have great gains by following the advice I've posted over the past year or so. I applaud Acneman for his information, and I hope he stands by it when people post bad results.

 

[Zyglamail]

With all this posting, I am sure that Acneman is willing to assume all responsibility for the bad results that will occur with people following his advice.

Ok, I hate to get off topic hear and I have utmost respect for you Doc, but the above quoted statement bothers me immensly.

Regardless of whats posted, safe, irrisponsible or otherwise acne nor any of us are holding a gun to anyones head and forcing them to follow these written words. Having said that I dont feel acne or anyone here should be responsible for what they say in terms of offering "advice". Does my stance seem foolish? Perhaps to some but let me elaborate. First off none of us are being paid to write what we do. Since the advise is not being paid for and bodily harm is not threatened should the advice not be adheared to, then why on gods grean earth should I be responsible if someone else CHOOSES to do what I said? Where has personal responsibilty gone? Why is it that if I chose do something and it causes damage then someone besides myself is to blame? The decision to follow through with ideas that are outlined here ultimatly belong to the individual doing the action, NOT the person stating a beleife on methods etc.

Its a sad day when someone can spill hot coffee on their lap and blame the resturaunt. Its a sad day when people can sue tabaco companies for giving them cancer when they chose to smoke. Its a sad day when gun manufacturers get sued because someone used one of their guns to kill someone. Ultimately the decision to do something falls squarely on our own shoulders and anyone who thinks otherwise is looking for an easy out and I will dare say is not a real man.

For christs sake people, if you have the balls to try something....ANYTHING.... you better have the god damn balls to take responsibility for your decision.

 

[acneman]

Humalog is SAFER. Lower concentration; if you make a mistake, your overdose won't be as great as with Humulin. Humalog is 100 U per ml. Humulin is 500 U per ml. The average diabetic uses 0.2U per KG per meal. For a 100KG man (220 pounds), that's only 20U. I personally do not advocate the use of Insulin for the risks are much greater than the reward. With all this posting, I am sure that Acneman is willing to assume all responsibility for the bad results that will occur with people following his advice. The body prodcues sufficient Insulin for everybody's needs except the Pros. They are willing to die to be #1, are you? Sure, some of us want to emulate the pros. There rewards are much greater if they win. but the risks are the same for both. If 95% of you never supplement with Insulin, you will still have great gains by following the advice I've posted over the past year or so. I applaud Acneman for his information, and I hope he stands by it when people post bad results.

wow that is harsh

ok i dont understand your point
i understand humulin is 100 units per ml not 500 units per ml

humulog should be safer because its quick action and short half life(fewer suprises)

my guide is more moderate and safe than 99% of the advice out there

it was designed around my original safety post

i dont recomend over 10 iu so not sure what your post is about

your the first person that said i was out of line and dangerous most people have said my plan was for pussies but your opinion is of course your own

and i take full responsibility for telling people to not take 30 or 100 iu of insulin
i take full responsibility for telling people who are going to take insulin to be very careful
i take full responsibility for telling people exactly how bad insulin can be and how it can kill you if you are not careful

anything else?????

im not sure you read my post
im not sure you know anything about insulin

and im sure you havent been reading the other posts on insulin or you wouldnt be posting this