Insulin and Myostatin

[Reps For Jesus]

Hey guys, another question for y'all. Hoping to get some feedback

Alright, it's not new knowledge that typically muscle gains start to stall out around the 8-9 week mark of a cycle, and usually stop around the 12 week mark. Usually to combat this, a person would up their dosages or add in another compound that is more anabolic than the ones they are using to blast through the plateaus. But again, your body will adapt and the muscle gains will start to stall.

So how would insulin play a role in this? I mean, it is the most anabolic hormone in the world. Thinking about adding it in around 8 week mark. Would this do the trick you think?


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[infraredline]

Hey guys, another question for y'all. Hoping to get some feedback

Alright, it's not new knowledge that typically muscle gains start to stall out around the 8-9 week mark of a cycle, and usually stop around the 12 week mark. Usually to combat this, a person would up their dosages or add in another compound that is more anabolic than the ones they are using to blast through the plateaus. But again, your body will adapt and the muscle gains will start to stall.

So how would insulin play a role in this? I mean, it is the most anabolic hormone in the world. Thinking about adding it in around 8 week mark. Would this do the trick you think?


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Unless you really know what you're doing with insulin I wouldn't advise using it.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

Unless you really know what you're doing with insulin I wouldn't advise using it.

I know what I am doing.

Thanks for the concern tho


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[infraredline]

Then yes using slin would work

 

[Jack steel]

Myostatin is in the title but it wasn't mentioned. Were you asking if it actually inhibits myostatin?

 

[Reps For Jesus]

The stalled muscle gains would be from myostatin. I am asking if insulin would be enough to blast through it to continue further muscle growth


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[MaxxReps]

I've been thinking about this too. If gains stall out at around the 8 week mark then doing one bodypart a week (which is what I do) really means only 8 workouts per bodypart per cycle before you stop growing. That really sucks.

I have to ask myself though, if adding more/better/more androgenic drugs keeps things moving then is it really myostatin thats inhibiting further gains, or homeostasis?

 

[Reps For Jesus]

I think myostatin and homeostasis are one in the same.

Thinking about using it weeks 1-4, 9-12, and 17-20 in my upcoming cycle to try to get as much muscle as possible.

 

[RADAR]

I think myostatin and homeostasis are one in the same.

Thinking about using it weeks 1-4, 9-12, and 17-20 in my upcoming cycle to try to get as much muscle as possible.

actually using Insulin the risks out weigh the rewards if anything if you want to keep increasing gains you need to A-add more protein

B- completely change routine and training intensity
Back off on cardio for a while

The use of insulin may have you insulin dependent so you may have to use it every day the rest of your life. So lot of risks involved as you get older including amputation of lower body parts(toes, Feet ,etc)I know this by
my vast experience in the medical field .

 

[bigbassturd]

Radar I thought you died or something wtf you been hiding?

 

[RADAR]

Radar I thought you died or something wtf you been hiding?

You won't Believe this but my Cousin Moved next door to me and needed internet access, so once she got it the idiots cut mine off... i was without computer access for the last 2 months, I was told my account did not exist ,yet they were happy to bill me each month.

Short version ...the last two months were spent giving everyone hell!



I missed you guys

 

[bigbassturd]

Yeah right bro, your neighbor probably just got wise to you stealing his wifi and locked your ass out!

Haha glad to hear from you buddy, hope all is well!

 

[RADAR]

Yeah right bro, your neighbor probably just got wise to you stealing his wifi and locked your ass out!

Haha glad to hear from you buddy, hope all is well!

Thanks, I probaby won't get anything this christmas for being a meanie.

 

[bigbassturd]

I'll get you some dbol and a walking cane buddy

 

[stevesmi]

would be impossible to know the answer to this.

you would have to run this experiment on a bunch of people who came from the same backgrounds

my best guess would be it might work or it might not work... totally up in the air and i have no clue.. but just because it works for you this go around doesn't mean it will next and vice versa.

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks, I probaby won't get anything this christmas for being a meanie.

glad to see you back, hope you stick around and santa claus hooks you up too

 

[jcnuts]

You won't Believe this but my Cousin Moved next door to me and needed internet access, so once she got it the idiots cut mine off... i was without computer access for the last 2 months, I was told my account did not exist ,yet they were happy to bill me each month.

Short version ...the last two months were spent giving everyone hell!



I missed you guys

Welcome back brother.

~ JohnyCoolNuts ~

 

[RickRock13]

Strictly my opinion (not backed up by experience or science) is that adding in insulin at the 8-9 week mark when myostatin levels reach their peak, may buy you a little more time and LBM, but it would be short lived and myostatin would again take over. You may be able to make another couple week a of gains at most in my opinion. Whether or not that makes it worth doing or not is your call. In a sense, you are just delaying the inevitable outcome that myostatin will inhibit further gains, but there is merit to it if you are looking to maximize the most out of a cycle. I just thnk it wouldn't be much in additional benefit.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Toogood]

actually using Insulin the risks out weigh the rewards if anything if you want to keep increasing gains you need to A-add more protein

B- completely change routine and training intensity
Back off on cardio for a while

The use of insulin may have you insulin dependent so you may have to use it every day the rest of your life. So lot of risks involved as you get older including amputation of lower body parts(toes, Feet ,etc)I know this by
my vast experience in the medical field .

Of course this could be prevalent among diabetics that do not watch all their levels like they are supposed too. But how common is this among bodybuilders that use insulin? Are all top tier pros insulin dependent by the end of their careers?

 

[infraredline]

Of course this could be prevalent among diabetics that do not watch all their levels like they are supposed too. But how common is this among bodybuilders that use insulin? Are all top tier pros insulin dependent by the end of their careers?

More then likely they are. Look at Ronnie Rockel

 

[stevesmi]

Of course this could be prevalent among diabetics that do not watch all their levels like they are supposed too. But how common is this among bodybuilders that use insulin? Are all top tier pros insulin dependent by the end of their careers?

Joe D who was a member on here a few years back was in his mid to late 30's and huge.. 5 5 240ish. he used insulin + was huge for his height. and he became a diabetic.

would he have become a diabetic if he was 5 5 160 and didn't touch insulin? highly highly highly unlikely.

its not just the insulin use, its also the mass on the body that insulin helps you achieve since it is a nutrition partitioner. mass is mass.. whether it is fat or muscle looks different in the mirror but its still mass. lets say you took insulin, even short acting, twice a day.. you would be nutrition partitioning for many hours and whatever you ate would be getting stored like a magnet.. think about that. AAS does the same thing but nothing like that.

 

[mikestang746]

have a good body shape for a short period then you suffered the side effect, its better natural vitamins than that insulin....

 

[Jack steel]

I've been thinking about this too. If gains stall out at around the 8 week mark then doing one bodypart a week (which is what I do) really means only 8 workouts per bodypart per cycle before you stop growing. That really sucks.

I have to ask myself though, if adding more/better/more androgenic drugs keeps things moving then is it really myostatin thats inhibiting further gains, or homeostasis?

Thank you for understanding my true question lol that's what I really wanted to say.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

Well, I think I am going to give it a shot. Will add Slin and Anadrol to try to maximize muscle gains.

 

[infraredline]

Well, I think I am going to give it a shot. Will add Slin and Anadrol to try to maximize muscle gains.

Let us know how it goes

 

[Jack steel]

Of course this could be prevalent among diabetics that do not watch all their levels like they are supposed too. But how common is this among bodybuilders that use insulin? Are all top tier pros insulin dependent by the end of their careers?

Us it sparingly and not often and you'll be fine. Don't use it every meal for 2 months and hell, I wouldn't even use it before every meal for a month. I've been using slin about 5-10 iu post or pre workout for a few months but ONLY one or two pins every 2-3 days.

 

[Jack steel]

Us it sparingly and not often and you'll be fine. Don't use it every meal for 2 months and hell, I wouldn't even use it before every meal for a month. I've been using slin about 5-10 iu post or pre workout for a few months but ONLY one or two pins every 2-3 days.

That obviously isn't all the instruction you need but you get my point I hope.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

I am going to go with the normal 4 weeks on/off protocol. Will start with 2iu post workout, and bump up 2iu every couple of days until I get to 10.