Indefatigable Homosexuals

[Spartacus]

Wash. Men Get Hard-To-Treat HIV Strain

From Associated Press
February 02, 2007 8:42 PM EST

SEATTLE - A hard-to-treat strain of the virus that causes AIDS has been found in four gay men in King County, and authorities fear it could spread to more.

There is no evidence that the troublesome strain of HIV is spreading rapidly, but its appearance underscores the need for renewed emphasis on safe sex practices Rolling Eyes , officials in the Seattle-King County public health department said Thursday.

"There may be more cases we don't know about," said Dr. Bob Wood, the agency's HIV-AIDS program director.

"We are still working to learn more about these individuals and the virus they have contracted," said Dorothy F. Teeter, interim director of the department. "We are concerned for these individuals and their partners and are continuing our investigation."

The same genetic strain of HIV was found over a 15-month period in all four men, methamphetamine users who each had multiple partners Rolling Eyes , but none is known to have had sex with any of other three, officials said.

"That's highly unusual," said Dr. Peter Shalit, who treats HIV-AIDS patients and directs HIV-AIDS research at Swedish Medical Center.

One possibility is that there is a new strain of multi-drug-resistant HIV that is spread more easily than previous drug-resistant strains, "definitely a scary prospect," Shalit said.

"There's no evidence that this has spread outside of King County," said Dr. Patrick Sullivan, chief of the behavioral and clinical surveillance branch at the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But the center also hasn't compared this strain with ones outside of King County because the center studies disease from a population, not an individual, perspective, he said Friday in a telephone interview.

One man in New York, diagnosed with HIV in December 2004, was found to have a multi-drug-resistant type of HIV and he too had multiple, anonymous sexual partners, a history of methamphetamine use and had sex with men, according to the CDC.

Nationally, 2 percent to 3 percent of the HIV strains that people are infected with may be resistant to two to three classes of drugs, Sullivan said.

While at least 100 King County residents die of AIDS annually, there is evidence of declining condom use and other safe-sex practices among gay drug users especially Rolling Eyes , said Wood, who is gay and has medically managed his own HIV infection for more than 20 years.

"There's a lot of complacency," he said. "People need to know that some of these new infections may be impossible to treat."

Seattle was among the first metropolitan areas in the country to begin a surveillance program for multi-drug-resistant HIV in 2003. Since then, doctors and other health care providers have been asked to test routinely for drug resistance in anyone who is HIV-positive and to report any indication of multi-drug-resistant strains.

Before Thursday, health officials had identified 12 cases of multi-drug-resistant HIV in the county, none as resistant to anti-viral drugs as the most recent four.

None of the four men has experienced any symptoms, Wood said, but experts fear that drug-resistant HIV could progress to AIDS much faster than typical HIV.

In addition, Dr. Robert D. Harrington, director of a Harborview Medical Center clinic for HIV patients, said treatment for those who are resistant to several types of drugs could cost more than twice as much as the $15,000 a year that is needed for typical HIV.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press.

 

[Spartacus]

Billions of dollars spent on research and developing powerful new drugs, decades of warnings and public service announcements, still gays find new ways to have AIDS kill them.

 

[Spartacus]

"...there is evidence of declining condom use and other safe-sex practices among gay drug users especially , said Wood, who is gay and has medically managed his own HIV infection for more than 20 years.

"There's a lot of complacency," he said. "People need to know that some of these new infections may be impossible to treat."

 

[Spartacus]

here we go again

 

[Spartacus]

"One possibility is that there is a new strain of multi-drug-resistant HIV that is spread more easily than previous drug-resistant strains, "definitely a scary prospect," Shalit said."

 

[hotzie]

fuckin shit. AAP , what is wrong with your boys.

 

[EnderJE]

"...there is evidence of declining condom use and other safe-sex practices among gay drug users especially , said Wood, who is gay and has medically managed his own HIV infection for more than 20 years.

"There's a lot of complacency," he said. "People need to know that some of these new infections may be impossible to treat."

sheesh

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Men will try to stick their dicks in anything, never stopping to thinkabout the consequences. Sad but true...

Thats why I love chicks...

-BRR

 

[Spartacus]

"Male-to-male sexual contact probably caused the majority (66%) of infections in white people living with AIDS. An additional 14% of white people were exposed through injection drug use, 11% through high-risk heterosexual contact and 8% through both male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use. Among black people living with AIDS, male-to-male sexual contact, high-risk heterosexual contact and injection drug use each account for around 30% of infections."

Sources:

* Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report 2005, (Vol. 17)

 

[AAP]

You know what is really ironic? The naked parties I give for the Wildfire Society are fundraisers for the HIV shelter that I support. Get it? HIV... fundraiser... gay men... so what do they do? Show up and fuck like rabbits the whole time. You would think that someone attending something geared to treatment and prevention of AIDS would at least fuck safely, but that isn't always the case. More people bareback than those that don't.

And I often get knocked because the HIV shelter I support is only for women and children.

Last time I checked, there wasn't any women or children here fucking all over the place.

 

[TC2]

Men will try to stick their dicks in anything, never stopping to thinkabout the consequences. Sad but true...

Thats why I love chicks...

-BRR

You really think chicks are any better now a days??

They're just as nasty as guys only they're better at hiding it.

 

[Spartacus]

You know what is really ironic? The naked parties I give for the Wildfire Society are fundraisers for the HIV shelter that I support. Get it? HIV... fundraiser... gay men... so what do they do? Show up and fuck like rabbits the whole time. You would think that someone attending something geared to treatment and prevention of AIDS would at least fuck safely, but that isn't always the case. More people bareback than those that don't.

And I often get knocked because the HIV shelter I support is only for women and children.

Last time I checked, there wasn't any women or children here fucking all over the place.

I hope you understand this wasn't a gay-bash thread
I'm just aghast at this new strain and the other new strains
I was in my 20s in the 80s and I remember the whole outbreak like it was yesterday
first labled "gay cancer" etc.
my roommate wouldn't drink nothing but bottled beer
I read that excellent book "And the Band Played On"

if this shit starts vectoring we're gonna go through it all over again
I buried about a dozen guys who died of AIDS back in the 90s and it's been years now since I've seen another case

 

[Spartacus]

And the Band Played On: Politics, People, and the AIDS Epidemic is a book written by San Francisco Chronicle journalist Randy Shilts (original copyright 1987) chronicling the discovery and spread of HIV and AIDS, with a special emphasis on alleged government indifference to what was initially perceived as a "gay disease." The title of the book appears to be a reference to the oft-repeated story about the dance band in the first-class lounge of the Titanic, who kept playing as the ship was sinking.

The book is an extensive work of investigative journalism, written in the form of an extended timeline, with the events that shaped the epidemic presented as sequential matter-of-fact summaries. It begins with a prescient description of the U.S. Bicentennial celebration in New York City: the Tall Ships (and their sailors) came from all over the world, and they came to New York. Some of the sailors were gay, and some of them carried sexually-transmitted diseases and rare tropical fevers. Some of the gay sailors met New Yorkers and other Americans and had sex with them.

The story segues to a classic tearjerker: the first European to catch the disease was Grethe Rask, a Danish surgeon working in a hospital in rural Zaire under primitive conditions. Dr Rask, an open and monogamous lesbian, was from Thisted, north of the Lim Fjord, where her companion lived. Danes from north of the fjord were known for an independent, plain-spoken nature. She chose to work in Africa, rather than Copenhagen, because it gave her a chance to run a department, or even a whole hospital, by herself, without first spending decades under the eye of male supervisors, as she would have in Denmark: she accepted that primitive conditions were the price of working in a Third-World hospital. She couldn't have gotten infected in any of the more common ways, since she was a lesbian living a celibate life in Africa and was not a drug addict; but she was at great risk from needle sticks and similar hazards in a hospital where normally-disposable gloves and needles were resterilized and reused until obviously worn out (which made sterile procedure nearly impossible). In addition, Sub-Saharan Africa is a fertile source of exotic "tropical fevers." Her first symptoms showed during a Christmas Eve celebration for her newly-arrived and homesick colleague, Ib Bygbjerg, and she soon developed symptoms of several now-well-known opportunistic infections, including pneumocystis pneumonia. She soldiered on until she was clearly too ill to continue; and then she returned to Denmark, where the best Western medicine was not good enough to diagnose this novel infection. Her Danish doctors could recognize the opportunistic infections that could only arise after her immune system had been ravaged, but they couldn't understand the significance of this combination of usually-rare, usually-feeble infections, and they had no treatments that worked in the absence of a functioning immune system. She finally gave up and refused to submit to further tests: she returned home and died there, cared for by her long-time companion, a registered nurse. Dr Bygbjerg had also returned to Denmark, where his mentor advised him "Don't bother with pneumocystis: it's too rare to matter." It eventually became less rare, but it was only a symptom, not the whole disease. Dr Bygbjerg then studied lymphocytes, which were at the center of the problem.

The book includes extensive discussion of Gaetan Dugas (who died in 1984 [1]), who was labelled the "Patient Zero" of AIDS (a claim which was challenged in later years). Randy Shilts himself died of AIDS in 1994.

The original 1987 St Martin's Press hardback edition was followed by a 1988 Penguin paperback, which had an addendum covering more recent events. It doesn't re-examine the Dugas story, which was questioned by many, including Dr Paul Darrow, who had done the original cluster study that gave Dugas the codename "Patient O" ("Oh," for Out-of-Town), not "Patient Zero," which has a specific meaning in epidemiology. By definition, Patient Zero, or the Index Case, is the first case in an outbreak. Shilts assumed that Dugas was the original source of the infection among gay men in North America. Darrow had not reached this conclusion at the time he had published his first report on the cluster of puzzling infections He later concluded that the study had been flawed. Unfortunately, Dugas died in 1984, before he could confirm or deny Shilts' characterization of him. By that time, Shilts had constructed a number of scenes with Dugas, ascribing thoughts or dialogue that could not be confirmed. If Dugas had lived longer, perhaps his version might have been aired--perhaps in court. The case is moot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_the_Band_Played_On

 

[goblue1997]

And the Band Played On: Politics, People, and the AIDS Epidemic is a book written by San Francisco Chronicle journalist Randy Shilts (original copyright 1987) chronicling the discovery and spread of HIV and AIDS, with a special emphasis on alleged government indifference to what was initially perceived as a "gay disease." The title of the book appears to be a reference to the oft-repeated story about the dance band in the first-class lounge of the Titanic, who kept playing as the ship was sinking.

The book is an extensive work of investigative journalism, written in the form of an extended timeline, with the events that shaped the epidemic presented as sequential matter-of-fact summaries. It begins with a prescient description of the U.S. Bicentennial celebration in New York City: the Tall Ships (and their sailors) came from all over the world, and they came to New York. Some of the sailors were gay, and some of them carried sexually-transmitted diseases and rare tropical fevers. Some of the gay sailors met New Yorkers and other Americans and had sex with them.

The story segues to a classic tearjerker: the first European to catch the disease was Grethe Rask, a Danish surgeon working in a hospital in rural Zaire under primitive conditions. Dr Rask, an open and monogamous lesbian, was from Thisted, north of the Lim Fjord, where her companion lived. Danes from north of the fjord were known for an independent, plain-spoken nature. She chose to work in Africa, rather than Copenhagen, because it gave her a chance to run a department, or even a whole hospital, by herself, without first spending decades under the eye of male supervisors, as she would have in Denmark: she accepted that primitive conditions were the price of working in a Third-World hospital. She couldn't have gotten infected in any of the more common ways, since she was a lesbian living a celibate life in Africa and was not a drug addict; but she was at great risk from needle sticks and similar hazards in a hospital where normally-disposable gloves and needles were resterilized and reused until obviously worn out (which made sterile procedure nearly impossible). In addition, Sub-Saharan Africa is a fertile source of exotic "tropical fevers." Her first symptoms showed during a Christmas Eve celebration for her newly-arrived and homesick colleague, Ib Bygbjerg, and she soon developed symptoms of several now-well-known opportunistic infections, including pneumocystis pneumonia. She soldiered on until she was clearly too ill to continue; and then she returned to Denmark, where the best Western medicine was not good enough to diagnose this novel infection. Her Danish doctors could recognize the opportunistic infections that could only arise after her immune system had been ravaged, but they couldn't understand the significance of this combination of usually-rare, usually-feeble infections, and they had no treatments that worked in the absence of a functioning immune system. She finally gave up and refused to submit to further tests: she returned home and died there, cared for by her long-time companion, a registered nurse. Dr Bygbjerg had also returned to Denmark, where his mentor advised him "Don't bother with pneumocystis: it's too rare to matter." It eventually became less rare, but it was only a symptom, not the whole disease. Dr Bygbjerg then studied lymphocytes, which were at the center of the problem.

The book includes extensive discussion of Gaetan Dugas (who died in 1984 [1]), who was labelled the "Patient Zero" of AIDS (a claim which was challenged in later years). Randy Shilts himself died of AIDS in 1994.

The original 1987 St Martin's Press hardback edition was followed by a 1988 Penguin paperback, which had an addendum covering more recent events. It doesn't re-examine the Dugas story, which was questioned by many, including Dr Paul Darrow, who had done the original cluster study that gave Dugas the codename "Patient O" ("Oh," for Out-of-Town), not "Patient Zero," which has a specific meaning in epidemiology. By definition, Patient Zero, or the Index Case, is the first case in an outbreak. Shilts assumed that Dugas was the original source of the infection among gay men in North America. Darrow had not reached this conclusion at the time he had published his first report on the cluster of puzzling infections He later concluded that the study had been flawed. Unfortunately, Dugas died in 1984, before he could confirm or deny Shilts' characterization of him. By that time, Shilts had constructed a number of scenes with Dugas, ascribing thoughts or dialogue that could not be confirmed. If Dugas had lived longer, perhaps his version might have been aired--perhaps in court. The case is moot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_the_Band_Played_On

Excellent book and movie. Everyone should atleast watch the movie. The thing i dont believe is the CDC stating there is about 1mil people infected in the US. How do they even come up with that number??!! I would be willing to bet that number is much higher.

 

[tanka]

Billions of dollars spent on research and developing powerful new drugs, decades of warnings and public service announcements, still gays find new ways to have AIDS kill them.

That is a very valid point.Very similar to a serious case in point that was made by me with a touch of humour several months ago as ILMFAO, see below.It seems as though some homosexual men, through life style choices are unwittingly fermenting far more deadly strains of this virus in their alimentary canals,...........................There is no vaccine for stupidity or ignorance. Which is precisely why so many homosexual men still die of full blown AIDS.Of far greater cause for concern in the homosexual community is the fact that, SCIENTISTS have just discovered a far more DEADLY, mutated version of the AIDS VIRUS..... in a homosexual male, formerly living in new york.Now, a very much dead homosexual in a box, in New York.This far more deadly version .....KILLS WITHIN WEEKS OF CONTRACTION.The authorities are working in the knowledge that he led a typically "active",nefarious, homosexual life style and are trying to trace any, shirt lifting friends he may of had a,.. "relationship" with.I do hope its not too serious.with the way this is all progressing, broke butt 2 will have to show the two tent love birds, in neck to foot plastic jump suits.... face masks and surgical gloves just to send out the right, health and safety message.A sort of, "equally valid" homosexual version of gone with the wind in the twenty first century, i suppose..

 

[AAP]

Tanka, where you been idiot?

Your problem is that you were posting stats and data that you pulled out of your ass and claiming they were from a credible source, without actually citing that source or providing a link.

Basically, you lied.

I'll bomb you later tonight. Why? Just because John Wayne was gay.

 

[tanka]

You know what is really ironic? The naked parties I give for the Wildfire Society are fundraisers for the HIV shelter that I support. Get it? HIV... fundraiser... gay men... so what do they do? Show up and fuck like rabbits the whole time. You would think that someone attending something geared to treatment and prevention of AIDS would at least fuck safely, but that isn't always the case. More people bareback than those that don't.
.

Your own words aap agree in essence with the above post.ASS has always been your favorite word princess. Your whole world seems to revolve around it.Male ass.DONT DIE OF IGNORANCE.I guess you must be a man as you do have some hair on your chest.By the way the nipple ring suits you.With out courage there can not be truth. with out truth there can be no other virtue.Bomb away crybaby.

 

[Tiervexx]

The huge majority of Aids infections are actually heterosexuals. It’s just in developed countries that it’s mostly gay people. Though it is more socially acceptable to blaim us then foreign minorities...

Any honest strait man would admit that it would be as bad among American heterosexuals if women where as willing to have sex as they are and pregnancy were not an issue.

It’s also more then likely that the statistics underestimate the number of heterosexuals in America that have it because so many view it as a strait problem and don’t get tested.

http://www.utac.org/statistics.shtml

 

[Spartacus]

The huge majority of Aids infections are actually heterosexuals. It’s just in developed countries that it’s mostly gay people. Though it is more socially acceptable to blaim us then foreign minorities...

Any honest strait man would admit that it would be as bad among American heterosexuals if women where as willing to have sex as they are and pregnancy were not an issue.

It’s also more then likely that the statistics underestimate the number of heterosexuals in America that have it because so many view it as a strait problem and don’t get tested.

http://www.utac.org/statistics.shtml

bulls hit
see post 10
I anticipated such a comment

 

[Spartacus]

I'm a mortician trex
w/o a doubt the aids cases I've seen were homosexual men
ask me how I know?
there's these events before the funerals called visitations/wakes when the friends and family of the deceased gather and share
it's a no brainer

doesn't matter to me what your orientation is
but as a guy that bought into that whole "it's got it's foot in the door" paranoia about it's spread to heteros
I got checked in 1993 and I was sweating the results

nothing but a gay PR campaign to garner more resources for research

I can google the transmission rates
but fact is the rectum wasn't designed to be penetrated and the tissues aren't as tenacious as a vagina's,which is designed to expand(hell expanding the vagina is pleasureable)
also too the lower colon is designed to pull fluid out of the stool
no more nutrient absorption there,just removing "fluid" to form a solid stool
you don't need to be louis pasteur to understand why butt fucking is problematic

sure heteros engage in butt fucking
it's not the main thing

also too gay men fuck and get fucked in the butt
so the vector continues

a gal gets buttfucked and inseminated with HIV sperm
she doesn't then go out and butt fuck some guy
the vector terminates

btw lesbians are the safest group so I don't buy this "scourge from God shit" either

 

[AAP]

Your own words aap agree in essence with the above post.ASS has always been your favorite word princess. Your whole world seems to revolve around it.Male ass.DONT DIE OF IGNORANCE.I guess you must be a man as you do have some hair on your chest.By the way the nipple ring suits you.With out courage there can not be truth. with out truth there can be no other virtue.Bomb away crybaby.

Actually, I am impressed. You certainly didn't resort to your usual tactics of making up shit and claiming it from the CDC website and then avoiding the question of providing a link.

Of course I fuck men. A fetish that certainly ensures you are safe...what with that extra Y chromosome you don't appeal to me.

Anyway, as promised enjoy your little bomb. You are still by far the biggest idiot on the board. And your next post will only prove me right.

 

[Spartacus]

I got started as a mortician in january 1994 and it's in the era of the 90s when we got those guys who caught the HIV in the late 80s or so before the knowledge was really "out there"
I remember some being queasy about embalming an aids victim
my dad would be bleaching the intrsuments and soaking them overnight
it's a fucking virus
it requires a living cell to survive
if dude has been dead 24 hours I have nothing to really worry about
once that body is dead and starts to cool goodbye HIV virus

those unfortunate medical personnel that contracted HIV from accident needle sticks caught it from a live HIV afflicted person and then got stuck themselves relatively pronto

 

[Spartacus]

sad as all those guys died between the ages of 25-35

 

[Spartacus]

they didn't know what hit them until it was too late
as I mentioned before the education has been effective as I haven't had an AIDs case in over 5 years
so the message got through
I fear though the next generation of gay men aren't heeding the knowledge

 

[Spartacus]

and the band played on

 

[Spartacus]

The huge majority of Aids infections are actually heterosexuals. It’s just in developed countries that it’s mostly gay people. Though it is more socially acceptable to blaim us then foreign minorities...

Any honest strait man would admit that it would be as bad among American heterosexuals if women where as willing to have sex as they are and pregnancy were not an issue.

It’s also more then likely that the statistics underestimate the number of heterosexuals in America that have it because so many view it as a strait problem and don’t get tested.

http://www.utac.org/statistics.shtml

I also disagree with your assesment that if western woman were as willing to have frequent sex it would mushroom in the hetero pop
the typical health and constitution of those populations in developing countries is considerably below western standards
and there's a mindset "overthere" to have as many offspring as possible so that 2 of 9 survive
it's completely apples and oranges to compare poor underfed populations to western norms

 

[Spartacus]

I don't have any problem whatsoever with gay men being intimate with other gay men
gayman buttfucks other gayman I'm fine with that

when gayman who knows he has HIV and/or has engaged in high risk behavior
buttfucks another gayman
that's when I call bullshit

 

[Tiervexx]

I also disagree with your assesment that if western woman were as willing to have frequent sex it would mushroom in the hetero pop.

I thought this was so obvious that I am dumbfounded that someone is actually trying to argue.

You expect me to believe that strait men (in general, not you in paticular) would not have sex a whole hell of a lot more often if it was available to them as it is with gay men?

All these posts of strait guys I see on this and other message boards bitching about failed attemps into getting into girls' pants express sentiments unique to a few guys who post on message boards?!

 

[Tiervexx]

I can google the transmission rates
but fact is the rectum wasn't designed to be penetrated and the tissues aren't as tenacious as a vagina's,which is designed to expand(hell expanding the vagina is pleasureable)
also too the lower colon is designed to pull fluid out of the stool
no more nutrient absorption there,just removing "fluid" to form a solid stool
you don't need to be louis pasteur to understand why butt fucking is problematic

yeah, BUT the fact remains that heterosexual women are the fastest growing infection rates (world wide). the link I posted gave some numbers but you can feel free to cross refrence it anywhere.

 

[Spartacus]

yeah, BUT the fact remains that heterosexual women are the fastest growing infection rates (world wide). the link I posted gave some numbers but you can feel free to cross refrence it anywhere.

that's "worldwide" which includes africa
I mentioned how the typical african doesn't have the health of a westerner
thier bodies are weak and ravaged

 

[Spartacus]

Research in determining risks for human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) transmission is confounded by many issues. They include lack of clarity or specificity in terminology used, respondents misunderstanding of questions, and lying. The base rate of lying (or social desirability responding) by itself is sufficient to account for the small percentage of Americans and Europeans claiming "heterosexual" transmission from partners not known to be intravenous drug users. This study integrates the physiological and epidemiological data on risk factors for HIV transmission with the psychological literature on the frequency of anal intercourse and of lying (in this case to researchers and clinicians about risk factors). When these factors are considered, intravenous and anal activities remain the only clear vectors for HIV transmission. Research suggesting that spermicidals are more effective at inactivating HIV than condoms are at physically containing HIV is also noted.

PIP: The purpose was to demonstrate that the notion that HIV is transmitted with little impediment during vaginal intercourse by healthy adults was likely to be confounded because of various forms of unreliability including deception on the part of the respondents in epidemiological and clinical studies. The topics examined covered risk groups and behaviors, respondent reports, animal models, and lying and other sources of unreliability. The safety of condoms and spermicides was also compared in regard to protection against HIV. Regarding risk groups and behaviors, anal intercourse and unsterile iv activity were found to be potent vectors for HIV transmission and appeared to be the behaviors associated with primary risk group membership. The frequency of heterosexual anal intercourse was 18.6% among North American college women according to a 1990 study, providing a potent vector for HIV transmission. Patient reports indicated that even to inquire about activities known to spread HIV (iv activity and anal intercourse) had resulted in incorrect attribution of such spread to vaginal intercourse. Animal models could not be taken as a model for HIV transmission. 1993 Centers for Disease Control tabulations based on 94% of all AIDS cases recorded in the US through September 1993 indicated that 1.0% of male AIDS patients (2899 of 281,168) and 10.1% of female AIDS patients (3773 of 37,314) denied being in such groups. Another 1.3% (3715 of 281,168) of male AIDS patients attributed their AIDS to heterosexual contact with iv drug users, transfusees, or sub-Saharan Africans. The total liar rate was 5% among AIDS patients. Lying by respondents, their inability to recollect the details of sexual activity, and the intellectual limitations of some respondents resulted in seropositive subjects failing to report anal intercourse or iv activity. Such failure often resulted in attributing HIV spread to vaginal intercourse.

 

[tanka]

"...there is evidence of declining condom use and other safe-sex practices among gay drug users especially , said Wood, who is gay and has medically managed his own HIV infection for more than 20 years.

"There's a lot of complacency," he said. "People need to know that some of these new infections may be impossible to treat."

It can be difficult for some homosexual men to impartially review the facts regarding gay sex and HIV infection.That is understandable.The truth can hurt.Fake bravado will not disguise the facts.With out truth there can be no other virtue.Some can not see the trees for the ......wood. It is a proven fact that homosexual sexual practices carry a high risk of infection.Those that lead a typically "active",nefarious, homosexual life style are at most risk.

 

[AAP]

It is only difficult when idiots like you post fake ass stats and then contributed them to a legitimate agency like the CDC and yet don't post a direct link to the published data.

Of course, stupidity will wipe you out before AIDS kills a fag. And you being the stupid fag drastically enhances your chances at Darwins Award fame.

 

[Spartacus]

in my research I was suprised to discover 1 in 5 "North American college woman" do anal
I want to go back to school

 

[tanka]

Your problem is that you were posting stats and data that you pulled out of your ass and claiming they were from a credible source, without actually citing that source or providing a link.

Basically, you lied.

I'll bomb you later tonight. Why? Just because John Wayne was gay.

Your problem aap my precious princess is this..... charitably you dont listen or your memory is at fault.The address of the report you refer to was given to you eleven months ago.Entertainment section/ Matthew Maccaughty.Here it is once again www.geocities.com/peterpaulmin/HomosexualMyths.html laughed my ass off reading some of it.It clearly rattled your cage.Yea the interesting part is predictably near the bottom of the page.CDC 15 per cent.You say i wrote it myself.stop talking out off your very broad ass.

 

[tanka]

A little memory refresher for you princess.A clip from this post.We had this conversation eleven months ago.LMAO.But its old rope............................In the spirit of understanding and wanting to clarify that.... I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOUR COMING FROM aap.Your position is clearly this.You know that the factual evidence shows that the "gay" life style is with out question inherently unhealthy(higher risk of hepatitis, aids, anal cancer etc) So, instead of even attempting to show evidence to the contrary, which is impossible, ill try to undermine all of the data as biased or homophobic.This wont prove successful of course because there are some very creditable sources here(The Lancet, The British medical Journal,etc) but some intellectually challenged dumbell may buy it.Try to throw out as many personal insults as possible (sissy, , etc) to act as as a smoke screen .Water off a ducks back as im heterosexual.You Even suggest im busy writing these reports up myself which would be a feat in its self considering the many posted up,and totally unnecessary considering the mountain of factual data out there .aap why not post up something relevant.Perhaps you have some killer data to prove that the gay life style is very healthy indeed. Or the flip side, homosexuals really dont do that sort of thing.Id love to see it.Im sure we all would.Maybe we would all become converts.Now you can call me old fashioned, or in this case a lazy but when i checked into the CDC website itself and found by typing in, "homosexual sexual practices" literally hundreds of thousands of disparaging reports on the not so healthy, "gay life style" coming up Its true to say i backed away as quickly as i would if i were given a free invite to a...... homosexual fisting party.The only conclusion anyone can draw from the complete absence of any data in defence of this can only be that......... ITS NOT A HEALTHY LIFE STYLE CHOICE and that it is completely impossible to argue otherwise.

 

[AAP]

Let me give you a memory refresher course...

You post something and claim it was the CDC stats and info. When pressure mounted for you to provide a link to these claims you state, you provided what? A link to a fucking blog. A link to a fucking editoral. But no link to the CDC that claimed to pull this info from.

And here you are with a GEOCITIES link to support your claim.

My my my... you really pull out all stops to show what an idiot you are. Now that's a pretty unhealthy lifestyle. Constant pwnage. No wonder you seem so maniac depressive. It really must suck.

I think the most frustrating thing for you is that homosexuals actually do have sex. A feat you have yet to accomplish. Because no one, no matter how drunk they get will fuck an idiot.

 

[hotzie]

Let me give you a memory refresher course...

You post something and claim it was the CDC stats and info. When pressure mounted for you to provide a link to these claims you state, you provided what? A link to a fucking blog. A link to a fucking editoral. But no link to the CDC that claimed to pull this info from.

And here you are with a GEOCITIES link to support your claim.

My my my... you really pull out all stops to show what an idiot you are. Now that's a pretty unhealthy lifestyle. Constant pwnage. No wonder you seem so maniac depressive. It really must suck.

I think the most frustrating thing for you is that homosexuals actually do have sex. A feat you have yet to accomplish. Because no one, no matter how drunk they get will fuck an idiot.

pwned

 

[samoth]

Tanka, I mean this in the nicest way possible: shut up.

Your logic is beyond flawed.
Referencing a Geocities link is beyond ignorant.
Your prejudice and bigotry are beyond irrational.
Your lack of grammar and the ability to use paragraphs are beyond fucking annoying.

Do us all a favor and unplug your computer and work through this book before posting again:

TYIA

 

[Tiervexx]

I think the most frustrating thing for you is that homosexuals actually do have sex. A feat you have yet to accomplish. Because no one, no matter how drunk they get will fuck an idiot.

HAHAHAHA

I'd give you karma but it won't let me yet.

 

[tanka]

I think the most frustrating thing for you is that homosexuals actually do have sex.
QUOTE]
aap I find it difficult to understand why this cut and paste job from the Peter and Paul Ministries web site eleven months ago can rattle your cage so much.You need to chill out bro.It really is unimportant.Its only sex bro.Homosexual sex.And i know its all equally vallid.BUT 15 PER CENT .Call me old fashioned.LMFAO........................
Peter and Paul Ministries Homosexual Myths
Table 5. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) conducted
a study in 1987 about homosexual sex practices and found the following:
98% report anal sexual relations.
92% report oral/anal sexual activity.
78% report participating in group sex.
73% of adult male homosexuals have had sex with boys age 19 or younger.
42% report "fisting" where the hand or arm is inserted into the rectum of their partner.
37% report sadomasochism.
32% report bondage.
29% report urinating on or in their partners.
17% report eating and/or rubbing themselves with the feces of their partners.
15% report sex with animals.
12% report giving or receiving of enemas for sexual pleasure.
You couldnt make it up .

 

[AAP]

I think the most frustrating thing for you is that homosexuals actually do have sex.
QUOTE]
aap I find it difficult to understand why this cut and paste job from the Peter and Paul Ministries web site eleven months ago can rattle your cage so much.You need to chill out bro.It really is unimportant.Its only sex bro.Homosexual sex.And i know its all equally vallid.BUT 15 PER CENT .Call me old fashioned.LMFAO........................
Peter and Paul Ministries Homosexual Myths
Table 5. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) conducted
a study in 1987 about homosexual sex practices and found the following:
98% report anal sexual relations.
92% report oral/anal sexual activity.
78% report participating in group sex.
73% of adult male homosexuals have had sex with boys age 19 or younger.
42% report "fisting" where the hand or arm is inserted into the rectum of their partner.
37% report sadomasochism.
32% report bondage.
29% report urinating on or in their partners.
17% report eating and/or rubbing themselves with the feces of their partners.
15% report sex with animals.
12% report giving or receiving of enemas for sexual pleasure.
You couldnt make it up .

The only thing difficult for me is understanding how the hell you can screw up a quote job. God damn, a simple task like that and your two brain cells can't get it right.

And since when did Peter and Paul become a scientific institute? OH that's right... they aren't. Which makes their "report" laughable at the least and pathetic on the average.

But don't worry... you need something to help hold onto your delusions about. AND... I need you to keep making them cause I don't really give out that much red. But I got another one for you.

 

[Tiervexx]

98% report anal sexual relations.

You couldnt make it up .

anyone can pull numbers out of their ass. Had you or anyone else actually tried to look into such things you'd know that a great many don't have anal sex.

Had you said 80% I'd still know you where exagerating but with 98% we don't need to look at the rest of it.

 

[AAP]

anyone can pull numbers out of their ass. Had you or anyone else actually tried to look into such things you'd know that a great many don't have anal sex.

Had you said 80% I'd still know you where exagerating but with 98% we don't need to look at the rest of it.

Don't forget his stats come from a damn ministry blog.

 

[Spartacus]

anyone can pull numbers out of their ass. Had you or anyone else actually tried to look into such things you'd know that a great many don't have anal sex.

Had you said 80% I'd still know you where exagerating but with 98% we don't need to look at the rest of it.

bor I don;t know where you're coming throm
but I tell you this
much is made about the bukkake multiple cum stream on one chcick
denigrating etc
but if I was offered to have 50 girls rub their pussies and juice on me face
I'd be first in line

 

[Spartacus]

give it to me
let me have it

 

[AAP]

bor I don;t know where you're coming throm
but I tell you this
much is made about the bukkake multiple cum stream on one chcick
denigrating etc
but if I was offered to have 50 girls rub their pussies and juice on me face
I'd be first in line

LMAO!!!

"Make my face look like a glazed doughnut."

 

[Spartacus]

anyone can pull numbers out of their ass.

nice

 

[redsamurai]

so you throw giant bareback parties eh? doood........

You know what is really ironic? The naked parties I give for the Wildfire Society are fundraisers for the HIV shelter that I support. Get it? HIV... fundraiser... gay men... so what do they do? Show up and fuck like rabbits the whole time. You would think that someone attending something geared to treatment and prevention of AIDS would at least fuck safely, but that isn't always the case. More people bareback than those that don't.

And I often get knocked because the HIV shelter I support is only for women and children.

Last time I checked, there wasn't any women or children here fucking all over the place.

 

[redsamurai]

12% report giving or receiving of enemas for sexual pleasure.
You couldnt make it up .

I know so many women who get colonics almost weekly............everyone should get them, and often......death starts in the colon.

 

[Spartacus]

I know so many women who get colonics almost weekly............everyone should get them, and often......death starts in the colon.

death starts in the mouth

 

[Spartacus]

how many obese people would there be if we didn't have taste buds?

 

[Spartacus]

I think the most frustrating thing for you is that homosexuals actually do have sex.
QUOTE]
aap I find it difficult to understand why this cut and paste job from the Peter and Paul Ministries web site eleven months ago can rattle your cage so much.You need to chill out bro.It really is unimportant.Its only sex bro.Homosexual sex.And i know its all equally vallid.BUT 15 PER CENT .Call me old fashioned.LMFAO........................
Peter and Paul Ministries Homosexual Myths
Table 5. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) conducted
a study in 1987 about homosexual sex practices and found the following:
98% report anal sexual relations.
92% report oral/anal sexual activity.
78% report participating in group sex.
73% of adult male homosexuals have had sex with boys age 19 or younger.
42% report "fisting" where the hand or arm is inserted into the rectum of their partner.
37% report sadomasochism.
32% report bondage.
29% report urinating on or in their partners.
17% report eating and/or rubbing themselves with the feces of their partners.
15% report sex with animals.
12% report giving or receiving of enemas for sexual pleasure.
You couldnt make it up .

racist!

 

[AAP]

racist!

Yeah, he must have been talking about black homosexuals.

 

[Spartacus]

Yeah, he must have been talking about black homosexuals.

there are none

 

[AAP]

there are none

Sugarlicious begs to differ.

 

[rnch]

there are none

spend some time in certain neighborhoods of new orleans and you will change your opinion.

 

[Spartacus]

I jest

 

[rnch]

death starts in the mouth

nahhhh......death starts at birth.

 

[Spartacus]

nahhhh......death starts at birth.

alright then how about

"most people dig their own grave with a fork"

 

[rnch]

alright then how about

"most people dig their own grave with a fork"

or, as in ike turner's case, a snort?

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

I think the most frustrating thing for you is that homosexuals actually do have sex.
QUOTE]
aap I find it difficult to understand why this cut and paste job from the Peter and Paul Ministries web site eleven months ago can rattle your cage so much.You need to chill out bro.It really is unimportant.Its only sex bro.Homosexual sex.And i know its all equally vallid.BUT 15 PER CENT .Call me old fashioned.LMFAO........................
Peter and Paul Ministries Homosexual Myths

Table 5. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) conducted
a study in 1987 about homosexual sex practices and found the following:
98% report anal sexual relations.
92% report oral/anal sexual activity.
78% report participating in group sex.
73% of adult male homosexuals have had sex with boys age 19 or younger.
42% report "fisting" where the hand or arm is inserted into the rectum of their partner.
37% report sadomasochism.
32% report bondage.
29% report urinating on or in their partners.
17% report eating and/or rubbing themselves with the feces of their partners.
15% report sex with animals.
12% report giving or receiving of enemas for sexual pleasure.
You couldnt make it up .

The survey doesn't seem valid. How can 98% of gays report anal sexual relations yet only 92% report anal/oral sexual activity? The number of anal/oral participants shouldn't fall under 98% as they have been included in the original 98% categorized by the first statistic. The survey suffers from poor sampling, unintelligible questioning, or is a fabrication.

 

[Spartacus]

The survey doesn't seem valid. How can 98% of gays report anal sexual relations yet only 92% report anal/oral sexual activity? The number of anal/oral participants shouldn't fall under 98% as they have been included in the original 98% categorized by the first statistic. The survey suffers from poor sampling, unintelligible questioning, or is a fabrication.

you forgot the chloroformed 6%

 

[Spartacus]

Chloroform was developed in the mid-1800s and was mainly used as an anesthetic. Inhaling chloroform vapors depressed the central nervous system of a patient, causing dizziness, fatigue and unconsciousness, allowing a doctor or barber to perform simple surgery or other painful operations

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Chloroform was developed in the mid-1800s and was mainly used as an anesthetic. Inhaling chloroform vapors depressed the central nervous system of a patient, causing dizziness, fatigue and unconsciousness, allowing a doctor or barber to perform simple surgery or other painful operations

Barber huh? I've never had a haircut so painful it required anesthesia. Either the scope of a barber's practice has changed since the mid-1800's or I've been lucky.

 

[AAP]

The survey doesn't seem valid. How can 98% of gays report anal sexual relations yet only 92% report anal/oral sexual activity? The number of anal/oral participants shouldn't fall under 98% as they have been included in the original 98% categorized by the first statistic. The survey suffers from poor sampling, unintelligible questioning, or is a fabrication.

Dude, tanka is just a fuckup that makes up bullshit out thin air. Those stats are not accurate by any means. tanka is just an asshat tard that wont' even show his face around here anymore after getting busted this bad.

 

[rnch]

Tanka, I mean this in the nicest way possible: shut up.

Your logic is beyond flawed.
Referencing a Geocities link is beyond ignorant.
Your prejudice and bigotry are beyond irrational.
Your lack of grammar and the ability to use paragraphs are beyond fucking annoying.

Do us all a favor and unplug your computer and work through this book before posting again:

TYIA

TITCR

 

[samoth]

Chloroform was developed in the mid-1800s and was mainly used as an anesthetic. Inhaling chloroform vapors depressed the central nervous system of a patient, causing dizziness, fatigue and unconsciousness, allowing a doctor or barber to perform simple surgery or other painful operations

I've always wanted to try chloroform. I don't think it's carcinogenic like sweet, sweet benzene. That, and trichlorotrifluoroethane. WTF @ making that illegal. Fucking government. Not that I wanted the latter to ingest or anything, mind you. Wait, what's this thread about again?

 

[Spartacus]

embalming chemicals won't get you high
just an FYI
that's myth

 

[samoth]

embalming chemicals won't get you high
just an FYI
that's myth

I've heard that one. I don't know how they ever transposed embalming fluid with PCP. Have any junkies ever tried breaking in your place and stealing any of that stuff? I remember there being some really nasty stuff in embalming fluid that can wreak havoc with the human organism.

 

[rnch]

embalming chemicals won't get you high
just an FYI
that's myth

wasn't "clickers" joints that were soaked in enbalming fluid?

 

[samoth]

wasn't "clickers" joints that were soaked in enbalming fluid?

The one I've heard is "dipper sticks". I'm sure they have tons of different slang names, though.

 

[Creepusmaximus]

What do you expect? HIV is treatable but not cureable. The longer you have a bunch of infected people wandering around living longer and longer you will get new strains. Harder and harder to treat. Sorry guys but the aids population is also adding to the TB drug resistent strains. Others too. Stronger and strong drugs dealing with a ever evolving viruses.