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IMPORTANT: Studies are False and Misleading!

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Virtually ALL scientific studies are, at best, misleading. The majority is just fraud, deception and lies - the rest are bias and fake.

A lot of "study parrots" copy and paste studies and pretend to know what they are talking about; they are just guys who don't have enough experience to back up what they say. You'll see people on the forums posting study after study, yet most of the studies posted are fasle, misleading and bias. Full of lies created by the pharmaceutical industry and the food companies.

Think about it, if you released Drug A to the market, wouldn't you want studies which are "independent" (secretly funded by your company) to say this product is GREAT?

Isn't it interesting how a "safe" product like Vioxx, that had a lot of studies to back up it's use, became one of the worst drug company disasters. Many people died from using Vioxx and many others were hurt, but the studies done on Vioxx made it the next wonder drug. Now you see? Studies are pure garbage, don't believe them for 1 second.

A good example:

http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060501/full/nj7089-122a.html
"DeNino had uncovered one of the most serious cases of scientific misconduct reported in recent years. His boss, obesity expert Eric Poehlman, had committed scientific fraud for more than 12 years in numerous publications and grant proposals1. Now debarred from receiving federal research funding for life, Poehlman must repay $180,000 and is one of only two researchers ever charged in a US criminal court for misconduct."

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2006/01/10/a_look_at_other_scientific_frauds?mode=PF

--Last March, Dr. Gary Kammer, a Wake Forest University rheumatology professor and leading lupus expert, was found to have made up two families and their medical conditions in federal grant applications. He resigned from the university and was suspended from receiving federal grants for three years.

--In 2004, federal officials found that Dr. Ali Sultan, then an award-winning malaria researcher at the Harvard School of Public Health, had plagiarized text and figures, and falsified his data -- substituting results from one type of malaria for another -- on a grant application for federal funds to study malaria drugs. Sultan resigned.

--As a researcher at Bell Labs, Jan Hendrik Schon made up or altered data in electronics experiments at least 16 times between 1998 and 2001, an investigation concluded. He was fired in 2002.

--The Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory said in 2002 that its reported discovery of two chemical elements in 1999 was based on bogus research. The results were retracted in 2001.

--Stephen Breuning, a well-known research psychologist, pleaded guilty in 1988 to falsifying research data on drug therapies for mentally retarded children while working for the University of Pittsburgh.

--In 1981, Dr. John Darsee, a Harvard cardiologist and medical researcher, was found to have faked data in an experiment on heart attacks in dogs. He was later found to have made up much of his data in more than 100 papers published over 14 years while he worked at Harvard and Emory University. Darsee was dismissed and cut off from federal research funds for 10 years.

--In 1974, Dr. William Summerlin resigned from Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York after admitting he had forged an experiment on the immune system's reaction to foreign tissue. He used a dark, felt-tipped pen on a white mouse and made it appear that tissue had been grafted successfully from a black mouse
 
Did you just post links to 'study-like' studies, saying that studies are 'False and Misleading'?

:verygood: Sorry I couldn't help myself (guess that nap did my brain NO GOOD)

:wavey:

X ... yes, I have been saying this for sometime, along with mah boys in diet... I do agree that "...Virtually ALL scientific studies are, at best, misleading. The majority is just fraud, deception and lies - the rest are bias and fake."

As well as "...most of the studies posted are false, misleading and bias. Full of lies created by the pharmaceutical industry and the food companies."

I try to use myself as my best case study ... works pretty darn well thus far :)
 
Computer said:
So your few examples should prove that "Virtually ALL scientific studies are, at best, misleading".....hmmmm.

It's hard to find fraud because the pharmaceutical companies and food companies have billions of dollars in some of these products - they can black-ball a lot of news.

These are obvious examples of FRAUD and fake studies. I personally saw - many years ago - guys making up data and lying about the experiments. I've seen guys adding 10% to everything just to get Grant money!
 
macrophage69alpha said:
its important to understand the mr.x posted this in an effort to "protect" nolva from the recently posted unfavorable study. Showing its negative impact on libido among other things


LOL, Macro with his pubmed keys. I could care less about a study you found staying up all night on Medline or pudmed - wouldn't change anything for me because all those studies are full of lies.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6199990&postcount=26
That's over a week ago.

I've been saying that studies are false, misleading and full of fraud for a long time. Quit trying to mislead people and lie to them.
 
oh.. see thats where you tried to use the same argument to defend your reccomendations of letrozole.

though you are more than willing to use studies, when someone supplies them to you, to support your position.
 
Although I have studies for letrozole, Letrozole doesn't need studies - it speaks for itself. Especially, seeing as how studies are false, I don't use them to make empty recommendations like others do. Check out the users posting that their gyno was gone within weeks of using Letrozole. I have clients who have had the same experience with letrozole. Experience is what counts...studies are, at best, misleading.

here's an example:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6221534&postcount=4

Let's not get off topic, the facts remain the same - scientific studies are full of fraud, lies and misleading information.
 
you can post this all you like. Most research is independant and valid. there will always be cases where someone will make up data or stories (as the case may be) to support thier position.

like say someone that talks about their experiences with various compounds and yet has never tried them. Someone that claims to be an expert when not even able to understand the basic underlying metabolic concepts of the drugs in question. Thats the kind of scumbag that you should concern yourself with....
 
Most research is full of lies, bias information and misleading information. There are many cases where pharmaceutical companies and food companies cover up the fraud, and it never gets to the public.

What I'm worried about are idiots on this forum using studies to make false claims. Instead of using real world experience, these guys sit behind a computer search pubmed for a study on a mouse or rat and try to pass it off as legitimate information.

I want EF members to understand how much fraud goes behind the scenes with these studies, and how this false information being presented to them by individuals who try to pass off as "gurus" because they have read 1000 pubmed studies. These scumbags who spend more time reading studies then working out are my favorite type of "gurus".
 
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