Important GH Question regarding dose.

[chesty]

I am getting ready to start my cutting cycle in January. It is a twelve week cycle in which I hope to go from 215 at 12% or so to 225 at 4% or less.

The cycle will go something like this.

450-600 mg week eq x weeks 1-12
GH 2mg a day monday-friday weeks 1-12
Inusulin Humilin R weeks 1-12 (not sure on dose yet)
500 mg week sust x weeks 1-8
450-600 mg week winny weeks 5-12 (alternate would be weeks 1-12)
20 mg halo testin x weeks 9-12

I will be using milk thistle and cranberry as well and requisite anti titty drugs.

On the serosotim kit I recieved it states in the insert that the recommended dosage for 55kg and greater is 6mg a day (18 iu's) that would be 84 vials for twelve weeks and at the current price, that would cost me thousands of dollars. I was planning on a total of 252 iu's for twelve weeks.

So is it that the recommended dosage's are for those who are wasting from aids (that is what the research in the insert was based on) was because they were using no other drugs or that becaue of their increased muscle catabolism they needed such a high dose or both?

All of the research I have done and responses here on this board suggest that 4-6 iu's a day would be the desired dose five days a week.

1. Is this sufficient. I am over 90kg (215lbs)

If this is the case, this brings me to the second question.

2. After reconstitution, you are supposed to use the entire contents within 24 hours. That would preclude splitting it into 3 doses over 3 days.

Can you stretch the time to 72 hours safely as long as you keep the gh refrigerated after reconstitution?

3. How does the above cycle look?

I plan on (key word plan) to compete at least 4 times this year, win or lose, I don't care. I just want to compete. First one is March 23.

 

[Big Moose]

The recomended doasge is for those who are wasting away. 4-6i.u 5on 2 off is fine (sides were unbearable at 6i.u. for me) If your worried about how long it will stay good after reconstitution, then use bacteriostic water(stays good for a while) instead of what they give you. (I believe that it will stay good for 3 days with supplied water. The problem is when you do 5 on 2 off it doesn't work out evenly and you may not finish a vial in three days) Hope this helped.

 

[ultragainz]

i like your cycle here is what i would do with the gh and slin..
--slin 3 weeks on 1 week off so it ends at week 11 build your way up with the slin start low then go high to 10-12ius on workout days
--gh gose wks 1-4 4ius wks 5-8 6ius wks 9-12 8ius..

 

[superman71]

A good dose of gh is 4iu a day alot of guys are using this amount with there insulin and roids and getting great results,check out the last 3 issues of musclemag they had interviews with a panel of experts in Greg Zulaks column and they talked about gh dosage,good luck.

 

[Big Moose]

--gh gose wks 1-4 4ius wks 5-8 6ius wks 9-12 8ius..

Ultragainz, have you sed doses this high? What if any were the sides like. I couldn't tolerate 6iu for more than a month

 

[ultragainz]

i never did it like that but i told my friend about doing it like that and he liked it..a 12 week cycle you start at 4ius and end at 8ius..not bad

 

[ultragainz]

oh yea he didnt get any sides..and you could try something like this take 4ius for 8 weeks the last 4 weeks take 6ius...12 week cycle

 

[chesty]

That is interesting. Why start with a low dose then work it up?

Given that it is possible to build new muscle with gh, what would I expect?

What if one were to use the gh eod for twelve weeks at 6 iu's? That would be 2 126 iu kits over twelve weeks? I think this could work. You get a higher concentration on each injection and if the half life in your system subcutaneously is at least equal to that you should be able to maintain a fair amount in your system.

 

[chesty]

bump for more input.

 

[O'Stanozol]

Bump I want to know

 

[Purple]

First up how old are you?

If you are in your early 20's then you might not expect to achieve the same results as say a 30 yr old etc. This is not to say that you will not benefit just that it may not be as dramatic.


That been said I am 26 and in the past my GH cycle, I used 4iu's for 8 and 6iu's for 4 weeks. Worked well, I also combined with T3 and Slin.

Personaly I would not use 6iu's EOD. (altough I do believ that it will work to a degree) This is on Ironmasters advice he said that GH only is only active for around 4 hours and supresses natural GH release. For that reason I avoided taking GH at night (although this is the more common practice). since that is when your body releases its own gh.

 

[supergirl]

ok chesty.. i am suprised ironmaster hasn't commented yet, but i know he will agree with me on this one...

4-6 ius a day 5 on 2 off

once reconstituted with the enclosed sterile water it wlll hold long enough for you to use it up.. cause you figure you are gonna use at least 4 ius a day so that would mean one vial would last 4.5 days if you use 4ius a day, so you would be fine with the sterile water... they say 24 hours in the pamphlet for insurance reasons only. Now if you needed it to last longer, then you would reconstitute with bact water...

gh to be taken first thing in the morning and after a workout

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

i too have read that insert, but you have to remember that the 18ius a day is for aids patients, we are using it for a similiar yet different purpose.......
when you use GH your insulin sensitivity will increase, so you can use more to reach the desired effect, i got up to 25 units of humalog post workout with 250grams of carbs and i never went hypoglycemic, but use what works for you, you will find out very easily........
anabolicdiabetic i have seen has stated that one can use exogenous insulin during the whole cycle, and it wont be deleterious to your health, i have even read that ironmaster says the same, many people take a week or 2 off, once again, its up to you, if you are trying to bulk up i would add either dbol/abombs and more test, maybe 500+mg enanthate or cypionate added on top of the sus you are using or even add some more sus, even when ending the cycle i would taper the test but still use it, maybe even add a cc of deca in there to help the joints a little, just my .02 cents, what about some t3? just a thought, hope this helped


S/F

 

[ironmaster]

Good stuff there from Supergirl.
Yes, I think 4 to 6 iu ed is sufficient. Considering that our natural production is only .5 to 1.5iu a day, this is still a huge bump for the body. Research has shown that the body's natural defense systems render mega doses of GH ineffective, anyway. I have pyramided the dose from 4 to 6 to 8 to 12iu on occassion, when I was looking for additional leanness toward the end of a cycle heavy with androgens. GH does not cause gains in mass......it allows you to put on a great deal of lean mass in combination with proper steroid and insulin use.
Start light with the humulin.....5iu......and work up 1 iu a day till you get use to it. 7 to 10iu in the AM and 7 to 10 iu in the late afternoon, with split doses of GH is your best bet. The half life of GH is only 2 hours, so spread it out. Avoid bedtime injections despite what the insert says. We produce the bulk of our own GH in the first 2 hours of sleep. Exogenous GH will supress this.
Yes, reasonable insulin useage for 12 weeks is not a problem....done it many times.
For best results, use a 17aa oral during the cycle to stimulate the release of natural insulin growth factors. I would run the test throughout. GH/insulin/test is the proven synergistic combination. I would preload the sustanon and use it the entire cycle, run dbol or anadrol for the first 4 weeks, then go with the winny and halo(why halo?)
Personally, I think the kit water will be ok for 3 days in the fridge....hell the guy that taught me the ways of GH just used the sterile water. If you have access to bacteriostatic water, though, by all means use it and eliminate all doubt. Its otc in Canada, and Animal offers it, also.

 

[dieslgrl]

why are you using insulin precontest? shouldn't you have done that to bulk in the off season?

 

[Jeff_rys]

Damn good question Chesty

quote you:
"What if one were to use the gh eod for twelve weeks at 6 iu's"

I want to know too.
I.G. What do you think of this?

 

[Jeff_rys]

up one more time

 

[ironmaster]

dieslgrl, insulin is used with GH to counter exogenous GH induced insulin resistence, pre-contest or not. Light insulin doses and proper attention to diet will not make you fat or bloated.....I get absolutely ripped on this combo.
Jeff, 4.5 or 6iu ED for 12 weeks would be very effective, esp. for an old fart like you, as long as the ancillary drugs are used properly. I think arimidex hampers gains in a GH cycle, btw, at least that has been my experience. How you been, mate? Still got that slow ISP?

 

[M.O.D]

chesty,

stick with 4 units per day..5 on 2 off instead of 6 units...in my opinion its better to be on as long as you can

 

[MUSTANG_18]

chesty,

stick with 4 units per day..5 on 2 off instead of 6 units...in my opinion its better to be on as long as you can

Agreed! If you can get them cheap enough (like for around $350-400 per 126IU kit) then it should not cost to much

M18

 

[Bikini Mod]

I am curious. From what I have read on this thread, is it a reasonable deduction that GH taken alone (without the use of any anabolic agent or insulin) would really give no real benefit to the user?

 

[ironmaster]

No, bikinimom.......what I said was that GH alone will not cause much in the way of mass gains. It is very effective, though, used alone for changing body composition......leanness, without losing muscle. Yarashevski's research showed an 8 to 12% change in body comp in non-athletes! Most women use GH this way, or with a very mild steroid like anavar. My woman looks great with GH and real light equipoise doses.
The magic of GH for men is the ability to gain mass without fat or bloating when stacked properly with insulin, and steroids.
GH also makes for amazing improvements in skin.....smoothes wrinkles, burns stubborn spots of adipose tissue, gives that paper-thin contest look.....and also gives one a real mood lift, a feeling of well being. Now I'm an old guy, so it may not be as good for younger folks, but personally, I won't be without it.
I agree with MOD, by the way........lighter doses for long periods of time are better than large doses for short cycles.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Thank you Ironmaster, for clarifying that for me!

 

[Jeff_rys]

no, everything is fast again (thank god)

dieslgrl, insulin is used with GH to counter exogenous GH induced insulin resistence, pre-contest or not. Light insulin doses and proper attention to diet will not make you fat or bloated.....I get absolutely ripped on this combo.
Jeff, 4.5 or 6iu ED for 12 weeks would be very effective, esp. for an old fart like you, as long as the ancillary drugs are used properly. I think arimidex hampers gains in a GH cycle, btw, at least that has been my experience. How you been, mate? Still got that slow ISP?

Was asking the same question as Chesty, thanks for the answer. Still doing even 4 iu/day is out of my (wallet) league.

Hopefully you are fine as well?