Importance of receptor site cleaning

[Ulter]

I think I've stated about 100 times that this advice is for someone who has spent years in the gym and has plenty of mature muscle mass already. Not the "If I take this will I look like Brad Pitt" kind of guy.

 

[Quadsweep]

I think I've stated about 100 times that this advice is for someone who has spent years in the gym and has plenty of mature muscle mass already. Not the "If I take this will I look like Brad Pitt" kind of guy.

Oh I know brother...who does that anymore though! Years! Shit!

 

[nab12]

You can't clean your receptor sites.

gg the reason you were never able to do it again is because you used the steroids to push you past your genetic limit to a certain point. Without using doses that would push you the same distance further you can't duplicate the first cycle. The same goes for what you might lose coming off.

When you use AS you change the activity in your genes. So in effect you're actually changing your genetics. When you change the gene activity with AS it in turn increases protein synthesis. That's the result. That's all it does.
If you use a certain amount of AS you change your genetics by a certain amount. There is your gains. But then you take away the AS and you will return your genetics to what they were originally. There is your loss.
The amount you keep or do not keep is governed by how much past your genetic limit the AS took you.

Change your genetics?? Are you saying that if I was to get a girl pregnant while on AS, it would be a different kid than had I not be on AS? If so, how would the kid be different.
The only reason I ask this is, genetics have a big factor on your kids. If you are actually changing your gentics then your in theory changing your offspring??

 

[Ulter]

Not those genetics Bro.

 

[Triple J]

ulter bro i have to disagree with you on this issue. it is the bros who have paid their dues and know what they are doing that can explode on dosages half your recommendation, so why go further. and when newbs read that advice they just cheat themselves. cause most of what they gain will be lost when they come off. so where do they go from there in terms of dosing. always begin a drug with some caution to learn how you will react and feel.

 

[sd27bb]

ulter bro i have to disagree with you on this issue. it is the bros who have paid their dues and know what they are doing that can explode on dosages half your recommendation, so why go further. and when newbs read that advice they just cheat themselves. cause most of what they gain will be lost when they come off. so where do they go from there in terms of dosing. always begin a drug with some caution to learn how you will react and feel.

I agree with you man. If you start with 1g/week where do you go from there? I have seen 20-30lb of solid gains made on 300mg nandrolone stacked with 20-30mg of dbol. I think that is a reasonable place to start. Look at the bodybuilders of the Arnolds era, I doubt they used 1g+ of gear/week and i trully beleave that mast majority of bros on this site (or recreational bodybuilders) would care to get much bigger then Arnold, Franco, Lue Ferigno

 

[Ulter]

Since I've been doing this for over 20 years I have a little more insight than you do. Simply because I know how many men wish today that they would have taken advantage of their first cycle by using a gram of test. Yes you can get a nice cycle with 500mg. You can get a nice cycle with 300mg. But that's not the BEST cycle you can do. It's just a nice one.

Where do you go from a gram? Probably back to a gram with deca or Eq added. Or just back to a gram. You're not going to max out your gram on your first cycle. Even though you'll see explosive growth.

I don't expect newbies or casual observers of steroids to understand any of this. And I am used to people coming to me 3 years into cycling and saying, "you know you were right, I should have used a gram the first time". Even Quadsweep admits he wishes he would have used more on his first cycle and he's the King of low dosing. So you can rationalize all day why your 500mg is the right way to go, but I know it isn't.

 

[sd27bb]

Since I've been doing this for over 20 years I have a little more insight than you do. Simply because I know how many men wish today that they would have taken advantage of their first cycle by using a gram of test. Yes you can get a nice cycle with 500mg. You can get a nice cycle with 300mg. But that's not the BEST cycle you can do. It's just a nice one.

Where do you go from a gram? Probably back to a gram with deca or Eq added. Or just back to a gram. You're not going to max out your gram on your first cycle. Even though you'll see explosive growth.

I don't expect newbies or casual observers of steroids to understand any of this. And I am used to people coming to me 3 years into cycling and saying, "you know you were right, I should have used a gram the first time". Even Quadsweep admits he wishes he would have used more on his first cycle and he's the King of low dosing. So you can rationalize all day why your 500mg is the right way to go, but I know it isn't.

Ulter I dont mean ANY disrespect, i have been using for 10 years and i ran both high dose (2g+) and lower doses, i have seen both cycles utilized. I agree with you that a higher dose cycle will lead to greater gains, but what is the difference in gains between running 500mg/week and 1g+ for the first time? If one can gain 30 solid pound of 500mg/week and 40 lbs from 1g+ week is the doubling of the dose justified? is it a good investement? In MY opinion (and this is just my opinion) the answer to that question is no. But when its all said and done, i beleave that how agressive one chooses to be with dosing would depand on the individual goals. If the goal is to be 240lb at 5% BF at a hight of 6'2 then 1g+/week is not needed. If one whats to be the next Jay Cutler then buying a pharmacutical company would make scense.

 

[sweatandscience]

I think Ulter may be right about those seemingly high doses. He makes a logical argument, yet acknowledges the point of diminishing returns. Sounds reasonable to me.

 

[Ulter]

If one can gain 30 solid pound of 500mg/week and 40 lbs from 1g+ week is the doubling of the dose justified? is it a good investement?

If.
You don't know that. You can't predict what gains someone is going to make with 500mg. Have you read the threads here in the last 2 years about the results of 500mg cycles? How many claim 30 pounds? Any?
No one will put on 30 pounds of LBM with 500mg in 10 weeks.

I agree all of this is dependent on your goals. I just haven't seen many guys with 3 or 4 years of hard work in the gym say, "I don't really want to put on too much mass with my first cycle". I see a lot of casual training newbies who want to "look like Brad Pitt" say that and for them 300-500 is just fine.