Importance of receptor site cleaning

[sd27bb]

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You don't know that. You can't predict what gains someone is going to make with 500mg. Have you read the threads here in the last 2 years about the results of 500mg cycles? How many claim 30 pounds? Any?
No one will put on 30 pounds of LBM with 500mg in 10 weeks.

I agree all of this is dependent on your goals. I just haven't seen many guys with 3 or 4 years of hard work in the gym say, "I don't really want to put on too much mass with my first cycle". I see a lot of casual training newbies who want to "look like Brad Pitt" say that and for them 300-500 is just fine.

Oh man, this is golden. What I see happening here though is bunch of "users" who dont know what it means to train correctly, and follow proper diet which is high in protein, frequent feedings and with calories at a level supportive of additional muscle growth jumping on gear thinking that its a magic bullet and hence they dont make the gain that they could have. The funny thing is, for those it does not matter if they take 1g+, untill they fix diet and training, resting, they will not gain. On the other hand i beleave and have seen bros gaining 30lb from just running 300mg of nandrolone per week with 20-30mg dof dboll/ed (that makes 510mg/week on the high end, roughly) at a height of over 6'-6'2". Obviously someone who is shorter would gain less. As far as the "Brad Pitt" look, that can be achieved w/o gear. Dont need any gear to sport a body like that.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Oh man, this is golden. What I see happening here though is bunch of "users" who dont know what it means to train correctly, and follow proper diet which is high in protein, frequent feedings and with calories at a level supportive of additional muscle growth jumping on gear thinking that its a magic bullet and hence they dont make the gain that they could have. The funny thing is, for those it does not matter if they take 1g+, untill they fix diet and training, resting, they will not gain. On the other hand i beleave and have seen bros gaining 30lb from just running 300mg of nandrolone per week with 20-30mg dof dboll/ed (that makes 510mg/week on the high end, roughly) at a height of over 6'-6'2". Obviously someone who is shorter would gain less. As far as the "Brad Pitt" look, that can be achieved w/o gear. Dont need any gear to sport a body like that.

I think Ulter agrees with ya that if you are not experienced beforehand on diet and training natural, then 1,000mg is not the way to go....in fact, they shouldn't be using at all until they have these basics down first. I think that everybody agrees that AAS will not be a band-aid (for most) in covering up a shitty diet and training regimine, etc. I think we all agree in this regard. I think we also agree that these doses are not gonna be for those guys wanting to just gain a few pounds and look good. Unfortunately, this will be the majority of the users who frequent EF nowadays. A few years ago, everybody wanted to get HUGE, and these are the people who he/we are directing the 1,000mg use to. It is also directed to lifters who have some years of training under their belt and who have gained some muscle naturally.

I've seen guys using 1gm of test + AI, have less sides than some guys using a Deca/dbol cycle. Of course, this will vary.

BMJ

 

[sd27bb]

I think Ulter agrees with ya that if you are not experienced beforehand on diet and training natural, then 1,000mg is not the way to go....in fact, they shouldn't be using at all until they have these basics down first. I think that everybody agrees that AAS will not be a band-aid (for most) in covering up a shitty diet and training regimine, etc. I think we all agree in this regard. I think we also agree that these doses are not gonna be for those guys wanting to just gain a few pounds and look good. Unfortunately, this will be the majority of the users who frequent EF nowadays. A few years ago, everybody wanted to get HUGE, and these are the people who he/we are directing the 1,000mg use to. It is also directed to lifters who have some years of training under their belt and who have gained some muscle naturally.

I've seen guys using 1gm of test + AI, have less sides than some guys using a Deca/dbol cycle. Of course, this will vary.

BMJ

We are in total agreement, i think what we miss on is the goal. The only point i am trying to make is the bodybuilders of the Arnold era did not use 1g/week+, and vast majority on this board i doubt would ever want to be bigger (i could be wrong on this), most i would halusinate would not even want to be that big so for their purposes 1g+/week is a waste or $$$ and gear. On the other hand if your goal is to compete then you will need much more then 1g/week.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Arnold used much more than 1gram per week....i'm about 99% sure on that as fact.

BMJ

 

[sd27bb]

Arnold used much more than 1gram per week....i'm about 99% sure on that as fact.

BMJ

look at the progress pix in one of the threads above, this is what i am talking about. many guys on here have no buisness messing with anabolics.

I was lead to beleave that arnold used 30mg dboll per day with some primo??? then again do we really know for sure?

 

[niv]

It is imperative to clean those sites at least once every 40-50 years,

I am planning to clean my sites in about 15 years

Going to use a hover vacuum cleaner

hehe

 

[Ulter]

I don't understand why people constantly hold up Arnold as an example. Do you see Arnold-like people posting here? Do you see Arnold-like men in the gym? He ate 10,000 calories a day and trained 8 hours. Whatever Arnold took has nothing to do with anyone else on the planet. Competitors in the last 10 years are using 8 grams a week.
There are things done in the past that won't be duplicated because the game has changed. There were men who were so gifted for their time that their achievements are too great to be used as an example of what someone else can do today. Wilt's 100, Nolan's 5,714, and many other examples in sports.

 

[alcatraz1662]

very interesting stuff here...

 

[Triple J]

Ulter I think you know I am not new to this game either. I guess it just depends on who you are giving the advice to ... in my experience fast gains turn to faster losses when coming off ... better to gain slow and steady. I really don't see the point in totallying maxing out your first cycle. It just does not matter that much in the long run, you will be doing additional cycles. With each cycle you gain more knowledge. I did my first cycles in the early 80s with human grade gear prescribed from a doctor, we were able to put on at least 20lbs on dosages so low I am not even going to mention it ... we were Div I athletes. Later at dosages well under 1 gram of gear/week I competed in my first bodybuilding contests. Of course, today the game has changed alot and the quality of the gear does not seem as good. But here is something else people need to learn: what gear they respond best to, and how they respond. And 1g of T/week is not for everybody.

 

[sd27bb]

Ulter I think you know I am not new to this game either. I guess it just depends on who you are giving the advice to ... in my experience fast gains turn to faster losses when coming off ... better to gain slow and steady. I really don't see the point in totallying maxing out your first cycle. It just does not matter that much in the long run, you will be doing additional cycles. With each cycle you gain more knowledge. I did my first cycles in the early 80s with human grade gear prescribed from a doctor, we were able to put on at least 20lbs on dosages so low I am not even going to mention it ... we were Div I athletes. Later at dosages well under 1 gram of gear/week I competed in my first bodybuilding contests. Of course, today the game has changed alot and the quality of the gear does not seem as good. But here is something else people need to learn: what gear they respond best to, and how they respond. And 1g of T/week is not for everybody.

That is what i've been trying to get accross, but Ulter is absolutely right about high doses, if you want to run with the big boys on stage you will need to gear up just like the rest of them