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Stock69
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My apologies for my comment before since you are not 137lbs, lol. If you decide to do them, you can gain a pretty good amount of weight, but a lot of it might be bloat. It's is going to be determined by your diet. If it's good and clean you can gain 5-10+ of good muscle if its a nasty bulk diet you can gain 20-30lbs of mostly fat & bloat with about 5-10lbs of muscle. Make sure you research PCT. Oral only cycles can be harder to keep the gains.
Medical studies have shown that the intake of 20mg of Dianabol a day over a period of 10 days reduces endogeneous testosterone peoduction to 30-40%. The mechanism behind this significant suppression is the drug's antogonadotropic effect in inhibiting the release of gonadotropic FSH and LH via the hypophysis. [See Hormonal Regulation and Psychophysical Stress in Competitive Sports, R. Hacker & H. De Marees, p. 55.] Moreover, there is no direct correlation between the increase in body weight and the amount of the dosage with Dianabol. Thus, your dose is adequate, with recommended ranges being from 15 - 40mg.
Dianabol's supression is simply one of the drug's negatives; either use a substance that increases activity of the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis (e.g. Clomid, HCG) and elevates endogenous testosterone production, or consider trying a different steroid regime. There exists no definitive "x drug will shut you down for y weeks" statement.
Nolvadex should be on hand in case of gynocomastia symptoms; however, it is not necessary to use unless, from past experience, you are already prone to the condition. Synthetic estrogens will decrease the effectiveness of highly androgenic steroids such as Dianabol.
Likewise, for resonable doses of 17-alpha alkylated drugs, these "liver protectants" are not needed. Even with repeated, prolonged use of orals, these symptoms rarely occur. [See Doping in Sports, D. Clasing, M. Donike et al.; also, Anabolic Steroids in Sports and Exercise, C. Yesalis.]
Tribulus Terrestris and GABA and similar amino acids, like these liver protectants, are yet more GNC and bodybuilding magazine supplements. Their importance is overstated by the companies that sell these products and they will serve little to no function when you are using drugs. Remember to keep in mind what the medical drugs are (i.e., produced and contolled by government entities and prescribed by medical doctors), and what the OTC supplements are (i.e., sold in vitamin stores and advertised in Men's Health and Fitness magazines, not controlled or monitored by overseeing agencies).
*The_West*
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disagree. old habits die hard, which is why nolva is still used, but there are waaaaaaaaay better drugs for on cycle oestrogen control. think of the theory-nolvadex will compete for the oestrogen receptor, making it harder, but by no means impossible, for oestrogen to bind. and while it may stop the effects of oestrogen temporarily, when nolva use is discontinued, that oestrogen is still in the body, and could cause a rebound. or "overnight titties" lolololol
whereas something like arimidex, actually stops the testosterone from ever aromatising into oestrogen in the first place. much better.
needtogetaas
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I was just going to address this.
Also fuck it if samoth wants a medical grade liver protector then dan it he shale get one.
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Nolva sucks for on cycle use. Less you like estrogen rebound.
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Tamoxifen? a trade name for the drug tamoxifen citrate, is a non-steroidal agent that demonstrates potent antiestrogenic properties. The drug is technically an estrogen agonist/antagonist, which competitively binds to estrogen receptors in various target tissues. With the tamoxifen molecule bound to this receptor, estrogen is blocked from exerting any action, and an antiestrogenic effect is achieved. Since many forms of breast cancer are responsive to estrogen, the ability of tamoxifen citrate to block its action in such cells has proven to be a very effective treatment. It is also utilized successfully as a preventative measure, taken by people with an extremely high familial tendency for breast cancer. This remedy is somewhat different from others since it is not an anabolic/androgenic steroid. For male and female bodybuilders, however, it is a very useful and recommended compound which is confirmed by its widespread use and mostly positive results. Tamoxifen? belongs to the group of sex hormones and is a so-called antiestrogen. The normal application of Tamoxifen?(Nolvadex) is in the treatment of certain forms of breast cancer in female patients. With Tamoxifen? it is possible to reverse an existing growth process of deceased tissue and prevent further growth. The growth of certain tissues is stimulated by the body's own estrogen hormone. This is especially true for the breast glands in men and women since the body has a large number of estrogen receptors at these glands which can bond with the estrogens present in the blood. If the body's own estrogen level is unusually high an undesired growth of breast glands occurs. However, in healthy women and particularly in men this is not the case. Despite this, it is mostly male bodybuilders who use Tamoxifen?, and fewer women. At first sight this seems somewhat inconceivable but when taking a closer look, the reasons are clear. Bodybuilders who take Tamoxifen? also use anabolic steroids at the same time. Since most steroids aromatize more or less strongly, i.e. part of the substance is converted into estrogens, male bodybuilders can experience a significant elevation in the normally very low estrogen level. This can lead to feminization symptoms such as gynecomastia (growth of breast glands), increased fat deposits and higher water retention.
The antiestrogen Tamoxifen?(Nolvadex) works against this by blocking the estrogen receptors of the effected body tissue, thereby inhibiting a bonding of estrogens and receptor. It is, however, important to understand that Tamoxifen? does not prevent the aromatization but only acts as an estrogen antagonist. This means that it does not prevent testosterone and its synthetic derivatives (steroids) from converting into estrogens but only fights with them in a sort of "competition''for the estrogen receptors. This characteristic has the disadvantage that after the discontinuance of Tamoxifen? a "rebound effect" can occur which means that the suddendly freed estrogen receptors are now able to absorb the estrogen present in the blood.
Ahh, you Brits and your spelling.
Neither drug completely eliminates estrogen, nor does one want to do so - endogeneous estrogen is necessary for optimal growth in the organism and necessary when using steroids.
I'm not advocating the necessary use of Nolvadex during the cycle, but only to have it on hand. There are several drugs out there for estrogen control, and the OP only inquired as to this specific drug. Both have benefits: one helps increase syrum levels of LH, FSH and endogeneous testosterone production; one helps decrease water retention and does not inhibit IGF and GH. Both decrease estrogen, assist the HTHP testicular axis, and help prevent the undesired side-effects of steroids. (The ATAC clinical trials are rather recent, too, so there may be more to learn from the newer drug on the block, especially in the male organism.)
Given the OP's drug regime and dosage, there's little reason to intentionally hyper-decrease estrogen when one of the biggest positives of Dianabol is weight, size, and strength through increased CP, RBC, and water retention.
As a purely "just in case" drug for beginners at low doses, the differences are trivial.
