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my best friends mother just got a stroke at 56 years old.
she's been brain dead for 2 days now, and got blinded too!!!

docs say its the high bp that caused it.

now ive been on efedrine for about 8 years now.. on and off... NOT continously.

but any stimulant causes an increase in blood pressure.
so do most steroids.

fuck that shit!
my BP goes up to about 150 when im on the sauce, and even when im off its still rather high.. around 125 or so...
im totally through with dbols, anadrols, test, deca, or any other steroid that fucks with the body like that..... i wanna live a healhty long life...

its primo, var, and winstrol for me from now on..
slower gains?
maybe so...

but im not risking shit anymore..
life is too precious.. and being healthy even more precious!!!!
 
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I know poeple in their 70's and 80's who's bp is through the roof and their still alive and kickin. People live long lives with hbp all the time. And 150 is nothing. There are plenty of people with bp's in the 180's. You get on bp medication if you need it, and work to bring it down.
 
slat1 said:
Sorry to hear about your friends mother.
I cleaned out and had blood work done. Now I just need to find someone who can tell what it all means.. LOL
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Go read your thread bro.
 
satchboogie said:
my best friends mother just got a stroke at 56 years old.
she's been brain dead for 2 days now, and got blinded too!!!

docs say its the high bp that caused it.

now ive been on efedrine for about 8 years now.. on and off... NOT continously.

but any stimulant causes an increase in blood pressure.
so do most steroids.

fuck that shit!
my BP goes up to about 150 when im on the sauce, and even when im off its still rather high.. around 125 or so...
im totally through with dbols, anadrols, test, deca, or any other steroid that fucks with the body like that..... i wanna live a healhty long life...

its primo, var, and winstrol for me from now on..
slower gains?
maybe so...

but im not risking shit anymore..
life is too precious.. and being healthy even more precious!!!!
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sorry to hear that brother!
 
Very sorry for you and your friends loss.

I've been dealing with high BP for a long time. I was averaging 140's over 80's/90's even on meds, then tweaked my diet ever so much and dropped to the 1 teens over 70's. I also used several different meds to help control the BP, each with different results. Each person is different but if you care to know the things I did / changed I'd be happy to pass my experiences on to you.

BPP
 
Life is precious bro, puts everything in prespective. When your time is up its up. How do you explain people who smoke a pack a day, they are completely miserable and they live a long life. Then you have people who haven't smoked a day in their lives and are really good people who die at a rather young age from lung cancer? Its a crap shoot. Take it day by day and do the best you can bro. My condolonces go out to ya bro. :worried:
 
Satch

Sounds like she had stroke from aneurism, as opposed to blockage. Most common with high BP. Stroke risk varies so much from person to person. BP rises significantly during sets of weight training, but drops quickly when set is done. It's the chronically high BP that causes strokes mainly.

My mother had a stroke 3 years ago and has left-side paralysis and is wheel chair bound. Hers was from carotid artery blockage. She was a smoker and was always a small woman, but ate whatever she wanted. Never had a weight problem. But the smoking was the biggest factor for her.

As for stopping AAS which causes increase in BP may be a good idea in the long run. You never know. Using or not using won't guarantee anything, but may decrease your risks.

But keep in mind too the potential changes in lipid profile with the use of AAS. Later in life you could be at risk for stroke due to arterial blockage and BP have nothing to do with it. You never know.

Not to be flippant, but we could get hit by a bus tomorrow. That's why we look both ways before we cross......to decrease our risk. So what you're doing may decrease your risk. Either way, I commend you on limiting your risks and keeping things in perspective. I hate it for your best friend and his mother.
 
i guess it comes down to risk vs. reward..

id hate to get sick/die at age 50 because of steroid abuse in my 20's/30's.
so from now on its primo and var for me...
 
sorry for the loss. high sbp can come from a number of things. I have seen alot of high sbp (cardiac icu RN) these can be controld with many drugs/ diet / cardio. 125 sbp is not high 120/80 is th norm and 150 sbp is not to bad eather. you can take these meds while you are on then taper when off, but is you took meds fro high sbp at 125 you would drop it (depending on dose) to below 100 this would be too low. just go by how you feel. you know your body and what it can take. again sory for loss.
 
I have to take meds for my BP and I am getting ready to do a test/deca/d-bol cycle. I was all excited about it till I read this. I knew before that the steroids were going to affect my bp when on ,but for some reason this thread made me a little worried.
Sorry about your friends mother. You guys will be in my prayers.
 
You are doing the right thing satch. ITs all about doing whats best for you. Just because some people can live long while abusing doesn't mean anything to you. You live your own life and have to live with your choices. GOod luck
 
High blood pressure is "the silent killer". Sorry to hear about your friend's mom. Stainless_Steel, I can tolerate deca/test but dbol sends my bp through the roof. Doesn't mean it will do yours like that but if you try that cycle keep a watch on it.
 
satchboogie said:
i guess it comes down to risk vs. reward..

id hate to get sick/die at age 50 because of steroid abuse in my 20's/30's.
so from now on its primo and var for me...
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Sounds like a good choice my man! You can never be to careful with your health. There is no rush to having a perfect physique (It takes time like anything else) There is no point in having the body you've always wanted if you can't live long enough to enjoy it ;)

M18
 
I think you can keep healthy also by doing cardio/endurance stuff and eating right.

Also, like the others said, if necessary there are drugs.

However satch I don't believe you compete (except to kick some internet pretender's ass :) ) so might as well take the middle road, as Buddha said, rather than take one drug to bring you up, then have to take another drug to bring you down, drugs on top of drugs, etc.
 
alltraps said:
on 150mg of anadrol and 3 grams of test my bp was 130/80
guess im lucky
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variations in diet, cardiovascular conditioning and genetics (as well as ancillary drugs and supplements) are all siginificant factors.

though genetics far and away is the greatest factor, though being aware of genetic issues and predispositions allows for adjustments in other areas to, at least partially, compensate.
 
Sorry to hear that satch. High blood pressure is just as much genetic as problem caused. 150 is nothing and 125 is normal. But it's your life and you do with it what makes you happy man. I'll take any extras you may have lying around. Drugs and medicine will be better by the time I am 50 anyway.
 
This is why i'm a firm believer in cardio.

Satch I'm sorry to hear my condolences!

RADAR
 
satch, good for you... I have normal bp, but if I didn't, I dont' know if i'd quite. mucho props

Whiskey
 
gotmilk said:
Smaller dosages and shorter cycles.
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exactly true! I remember when I first started researching cycles, etc, I noticed the extreme cycles guys were running and even suggesting to new users of gear. I mean, everyone was telling people "take 500mgs of test per week, 40mgs of dbol a day 4 weeks, deca 300..etc.." for their first cycle? I was like, wtf? More sensible bros on here were recommending much less dosages for the first cycle. Anyhow, I asked dr. jmw what he thought and in an email he told me never to go over 750 mgs a week - it would be considered abuse. So I have always stuck to that philosophy or that thought - between 750 and 1g a week. Then, my buddy who went into HRT practice recently told me after I asked him what a safe amount of gear would be and he also re affirmed between 750-1000mgs a week is pretty safe. hell, he even said a person could get decent results on only 100-200 mgs a week of testosterone (if stacked properly - testosterone is REALLY strong for me with my small body frame). Anyhow, what I have noticed, personally, is that CUTTING drugs are the best for body development, lookwise. I personally thing that most guys who have a medium to large muscular build look right, while those who have those freakishly huge gh bodyframes are disgusting, plus they carry a lot of fat with it - which can't be healthy either.

Also, running light cycles - mine are usually 400-500 mgs of eq a week stacked with something like winny, masteron, ot or light cycles of test (100-200) work great for me. If I ramp up the mgs, my blood pressure starts to change. When my bp is perfect , it's usually 117/70 or lower, but on cycle it never gets higher than 140/80. Usually 130/75. But, I hear ya satch. No reason to run the big stuff and risk it. Love the cutting drugs and each day, more converts from the bulkers are coming over to the light side! :) hehe..
 
Yo Satch

I completely understnd bro

I kept getting panic attacks a while ago and sort of made myself paranoid and after some research i decided that i would stick strictly to Primo in the future.

Hope it works out well for you Bro!
 
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