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MrMuscle said:
Okay, now THAT WAS just nasty...lol
Besides, I'm cheese-free at the moment. No cheese on me. Pas de fromage. No reeky cheese on this chica.
The Dude
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OK, first of all, I have NO love of the French. French people suck. Period.
I will give them two things however.
1. They stand up for what they want or believe in, regardless what the U.S. or the rest of Europe thinks. It may be screwing and convoluted (like helping Iraq with weapons of mass destruction), but they stick to it.
2. They were there for us (and to stick it to Britain) in the Revolutionary War. They were there late, but their help basically sealed the deal by preventing British reinforcements from coming and wrecking havoc on an already weakened weak colonial army.
We have repayed that debt many times over yet they don't appreciate it. So, in the end, the whole of France can kiss my ass.
I will give them two things however.
1. They stand up for what they want or believe in, regardless what the U.S. or the rest of Europe thinks. It may be screwing and convoluted (like helping Iraq with weapons of mass destruction), but they stick to it.
2. They were there for us (and to stick it to Britain) in the Revolutionary War. They were there late, but their help basically sealed the deal by preventing British reinforcements from coming and wrecking havoc on an already weakened weak colonial army.
We have repayed that debt many times over yet they don't appreciate it. So, in the end, the whole of France can kiss my ass.
Zirakzigil
New member
I want to clear up some misconceptions (sp?)
1) The Maginot line worked wonderfully, except they didn't defend the border with Belgium (Schlieffen plan all over again). As an example of how great the Maginot line was, the Germans used it themselves, only in reverse.
2) I dont knock the French, since they were totally key in the forming of the USA. They gave the US a ton of help in the revolutionary war, and in the war of 1812 (in the latter case, indirectly, by involving England in Napoleon's battles). They sold the Louisiana territory for cheap, even though Spain would have paid more for it. The US in the early 19th centry would have had it much much harder if France hadn't been friendly.
3) The RUSSIANS did the dirty work on the continent in WWII. Without the USA, it is still possible the war would have been won by the allies. Wihtout Russia, there is no way in hell, absolutely no way. Kursk anyone? Stalingrad? Battle of Moscow? These were the battles that broke the back of the German army, which suffered horrendous losses, and helped break the spirit of the German people. D-Day was really almost just mopping up (and I don't suppose you realized that the Russians rolled up the Eastern front at a much greater rate than the combined Americans, British, Canadians and non-Vichy French did on the West). Of course they dont teach you (or me, I'm American) about this shit in US history books. Go read some Liddel Hart. Now in WWI, you have a better claim, in that the US was definitely the weight that tilted the scale, but its likely WWI would have ended in a ceasefire of some sort anyway, because the British naval blockade absolutely destroyed the German economy. So basically, read some history and learn about what they DON'T teach you in 6th grade 20th century history - history cant be learned from beer commercials (or whatever commercial that said "we bailed you out of two big ones").
4) Now as for snottiness, I was in France just last fall and I speak some French but I speak it very badly and I have to say yes, peoeple were a bit snotty...
1) The Maginot line worked wonderfully, except they didn't defend the border with Belgium (Schlieffen plan all over again). As an example of how great the Maginot line was, the Germans used it themselves, only in reverse.
2) I dont knock the French, since they were totally key in the forming of the USA. They gave the US a ton of help in the revolutionary war, and in the war of 1812 (in the latter case, indirectly, by involving England in Napoleon's battles). They sold the Louisiana territory for cheap, even though Spain would have paid more for it. The US in the early 19th centry would have had it much much harder if France hadn't been friendly.
3) The RUSSIANS did the dirty work on the continent in WWII. Without the USA, it is still possible the war would have been won by the allies. Wihtout Russia, there is no way in hell, absolutely no way. Kursk anyone? Stalingrad? Battle of Moscow? These were the battles that broke the back of the German army, which suffered horrendous losses, and helped break the spirit of the German people. D-Day was really almost just mopping up (and I don't suppose you realized that the Russians rolled up the Eastern front at a much greater rate than the combined Americans, British, Canadians and non-Vichy French did on the West). Of course they dont teach you (or me, I'm American) about this shit in US history books. Go read some Liddel Hart. Now in WWI, you have a better claim, in that the US was definitely the weight that tilted the scale, but its likely WWI would have ended in a ceasefire of some sort anyway, because the British naval blockade absolutely destroyed the German economy. So basically, read some history and learn about what they DON'T teach you in 6th grade 20th century history - history cant be learned from beer commercials (or whatever commercial that said "we bailed you out of two big ones").
4) Now as for snottiness, I was in France just last fall and I speak some French but I speak it very badly and I have to say yes, peoeple were a bit snotty...
bunnymt
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Zirakzigil said:
The french are peaceful people by nature. Call it as you will, they do not like to fight.
The russians however, were ruthless and vicious when they pillaged and raped their way across europe. You are right about the russians. Why do you think that there is still such harboured animosity toward them in countries such as poland? Russia's acts in the past are not quickly forgotten by the vicitms.
French people are snooty. I have never experienced it firsthand, but I speak the language fluently.
They have no tolerance for foreigners (especially americans) who come to france and expect english to be spoken. That is why the term "ignorant american"is used throughout europe to the present day. This is just the truth.
We need to look at WHY the french act in a certain way instead of ignorantly assuming that the French are this or that or whatever. Perhaps if your country (whatever county you are from) was invaded and even conquered many a times in history, do you not think that your country would be nervous, and bluntly distrustful and nasty towards foreigners who come over?
As master Yoda once said, "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the Dark Side."
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