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I'm going to start open carrying.

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Fuggit! Who's with me?

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You you really feel so threatened by the risks you encounter on a daily basis that you feel the need for deadly defense?
 
Pin you're too fucking stupid and too fucking soft to open carry, or really own a firearm at all for that matter. The second your heartrate hits 200 in actual combat situation your hands are gonna do the shaky elvis and then god help any poor innocent soul who happens to be within a 180 degree semi circle from you.
 
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Redsam wtf do you know about a combat situation?


I bet a lot of money you'd shit all in your panties if you heard the air rip as a bullet passes close by your head.
 
You you really feel so threatened by the risks you encounter on a daily basis that you feel the need for deadly defense?

September 2005. My brother and his wife get jumped in Fred Meyer parking lot by 5 faggot ass little punks. Thank God I was there. We get into it with these pieces of shit. I had a gun at the time but I chose not to use it. In the end I get over $70k in reconstructive surgery on my face cause it was 5 on 2 and a chick. These were cowards. I should've shot them but I exercised restraint. Next mother fucker gets it.

Short answer, yes.
 
Pin you're too fucking stupid and too fucking soft to open carry, or really own a firearm at all for that matter. The second your heartrate hits 200 in actual combat situation your hands are gonna do the shaky elvis and then god help any poor innocent soul who happens to be within a 180 degree semi circle from you.

So if he's stupid by your standards, someone who doesn't know that mm is a unit of distance measure must be extra-stupid-full-on-retard stupid, eh?
 
Redsam wtf do you know about a combat situation?


I bet a lot of money you'd shit all in your panties if you heard the air rip as a bullet passes close by your head.


"OF COURSE" i would, never ever said my aim wouldn't degenerate as well in a combat situation. FUck cops aim goes south when the bullets fly. This has been my point ALL ALONG. Never once did I suggest I was any different. To have the "privilege" to open carry, imo, you got to prove you can shoot with your heart rate doing 200.
 
Redsam wtf do you know about a combat situation?


I bet a lot of money you'd shit all in your panties if you heard the air rip as a bullet passes close by your head.

Remember, Redsam the EF Cuckhold(TM) doesn't have to know shit about something to drone on and on about it.
 
"OF COURSE" i would, never ever said my aim wouldn't degenerate as well in a combat situation. FUck cops aim goes south when the bullets fly. This has been my point ALL ALONG. Never once did I suggest I was any different. To have the "privilege" to open carry, imo, you got to prove you can shoot with your heart rate doing 200.

Why? Noone can.

And my heart rate isn't 200 even in combat

Holy shit lose some weight
 
September 2005. My brother and his wife get jumped in Fred Meyer parking lot by 5 faggot ass little punks. Thank God I was there. We get into it with these pieces of shit. I had a gun at the time but I chose not to use it. In the end I get over $70k in reconstructive surgery on my face cause it was 5 on 2 and a chick. These were cowards. I should've shot them but I exercised restraint. Next mother fucker gets it.

Short answer, yes.


bs. 5 punks jump your brother AND his wife and you didn't pull? bullshit. Even the biggest phag on the planet pulls "immediately". If that's a true story and you let your brother and his wife get beat up AND you were packing the whole time.....you're a bigger piece of excrement than I previously thought. On the other hand, you likely saved unwitting bystanders so touche.
 
Why? Noone can.

And my heart rate isn't 200 even in combat

Holy shit lose some weight


Then you're lying about having served or actually seen real combat. Hr immediately goes to 180+. And dude i can barely get my hr to 190 doing a dead sprint. But those WSM competitors can get their HR's to 200 or more during some of their events, so you're telling me that in "actual" combat your HR doesn't get close to 200? Than maybe you didn't see "actual" combat. The guys at the gun store are all Marines and army, that was one of the first things they said they had to learn when shooting. How to shoot with their heart rates approaching 200. Maybe you were the shell loader in an tank? Not the same dude.
 
bs. 5 punks jump your brother AND his wife and you didn't pull? bullshit. Even the biggest phag on the planet pulls "immediately". If that's a true story and you let your brother and his wife get beat up AND you were packing the whole time.....you're a bigger piece of excrement than I previously thought. On the other hand, you likely saved unwitting bystanders so touche.

See how much Redsam the EF Cuckhold(TM) knows Pin?

He wasn't even there and he knows exactly what you did!

But credit where credit is due. He knows as much about this situation as he does anything else he comments on here at EF.
 
bs. 5 punks jump your brother AND his wife and you didn't pull? bullshit. Even the biggest phag on the planet pulls "immediately". If that's a true story and you let your brother and his wife get beat up AND you were packing the whole time.....you're a bigger piece of excrement than I previously thought. On the other hand, you likely saved unwitting bystanders so touche.

Fuck, you're a douche.

Also, in one post you say he shouldn't have the privilege to carry a firearm then turn around and advocate using it. Jesus Christ, you're the reason responsible gun owners/carriers get a bad rep. He must not have been able to justify using deadly force or I'm quite sure he would have.
 
bs. 5 punks jump your brother AND his wife and you didn't pull? bullshit. Even the biggest phag on the planet pulls "immediately". If that's a true story and you let your brother and his wife get beat up AND you were packing the whole time.....you're a bigger piece of excrement than I previously thought. On the other hand, you likely saved unwitting bystanders so touche.

Fuck off you piece of garbage. My brother and his wife walked away fine. Because of me. And I don't have to lie on the internet for kicks.

I have minimal feeling in the left side of my face to this day.

You're a joke. And everyone here laughs at at your idiot ass for fun.
 
Why? Noone can.


You just can't be serious right here. The fucking MMA people, FUCKING MMA!!, don't want their guys lifting weights in the gym with their HR's doing much less than 180 cause that's what your heart is doing in a fight so training strength at low heart rates is pointless to them. Where do you think they got this paradigm? Crossfit, ok, where did they get it from? This is knowledge that's been filtered down from the military.
 
Then you're lying about having served or actually seen real combat. Hr immediately goes to 180+. And dude i can barely get my hr to 190 doing a dead sprint. But those WSM competitors can get their HR's to 200 or more during some of their events, so you're telling me that in "actual" combat your HR doesn't get close to 200? Than maybe you didn't see "actual" combat. The guys at the gun store are all Marines and army, that was one of the first things they said they had to learn when shooting. How to shoot with their heart rates approaching 200. Maybe you were the shell loader in an tank? Not the same dude.

See Bigass?

He knows about your service history too!

Damn, this guy knows everything.
 
Fuck, you're a douche.

Also, in one post you say he shouldn't have the privilege to carry a firearm then turn around and advocate using it. Jesus Christ, you're the reason responsible gun owners/carriers get a bad rep. He must not have been able to justify using deadly force or I'm quite sure he would have.

Hey if he had it on him he had it on him. :whatever:

And if he couldn't justify using deadly force when his brother and wife were getting jumped then likely story is that his brother and/or wife started it. Otherwise, even in the most liberal of states you're allowed to draw down if you got jumped out of the blue by a gang. Real talk.
 
Fuck off you piece of garbage. My brother and his wife walked away fine. Because of me. And I don't have to lie on the internet for kicks.

I have minimal feeling in the left side of my face to this day.

You're a joke. And everyone here laughs at at your idiot ass for fun.



can I stand down?
 
Fuck off you piece of garbage. My brother and his wife walked away fine. Because of me. And I don't have to lie on the internet for kicks.

I have minimal feeling in the left side of my face to this day.

You're a joke. And everyone here laughs at at your idiot ass for fun.

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Sorry. I genuinely apologize. That is hands down the most traumatic thing that I've had to go through and I don't appreciate being called a liar. I'm not a...

Liar
Thief
or
Unreasonably racist.


suck it up pussy I got punched in SF by Nortenos and 300lb drunk Samoans holy fug. :rolleyes:
 
You just can't be serious right here. The fucking MMA people, FUCKING MMA!!, don't want their guys lifting weights in the gym with their HR's doing much less than 180 cause that's what your heart is doing in a fight so training strength at low heart rates is pointless to them. Where do you think they got this paradigm? Crossfit, ok, where did they get it from? This is knowledge that's been filtered down from the military.

You're a stupid fuck, and I think you need ADD meds. You can't keep a train of thought long enough to have a conversation.

You said to qualify to carry a firearm, you should have to prove you can control your fire with your heart rate 200+

You can't control your fire at that heart rate, which I wouldn't expect you to know.

I never said you can't get your heart rate that high period. I have never seen an MMA fight use a handgun in the ring. What channel is that on?

I was an 0311 turned 0331 via lateral move in the Marines, and have posted my DD214 service records on this site before, which clearly state all of the citations and medals I have recieved, including a Purple Heart and 11 Combat Action ribbons.

Also, if you ever call me a fucking liar again, we'll have more than laughs. I am a pretty easy going guy, and when we're slinging shit back and forth, I never take it personal, but I won't tolerate you being a low life piece of shit when it comes to my service. You can fuck right off, and shove your foot in your mouth where it belongs.
 
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So you're suggesting I should have open fired in Fred Meyer's parking lot?


you should have drawn on em and if they didn't back, uhhh, do I have to answer that? Your sister and law could've got her face smashed. Congrats if you basically became their "meat shield" and saved them from the beating, but still. Why are you even bothering to carry now if you didn't draw then and still think you shoulnd't have? You got no business open carrying. Your not discouraging anybody from assaulting you, they just know they got to get up on you quick and dirty so that you don't have space. That's ALL that open carry is gonna get you. You got two dudes hanging all over you grabbing at your arms, you're not even gonna get to unholster it. They're gonna beat you and take your gun. All because you had to be mr tough guy with the open carry. CCW is the way to go if you absolutely have to have a firearm on yourself. Which hey if you live somewhere where your family members get jumped by gangs then have at it. I said earlier you were too stupid to carry a gun but that's just trolling, i'm partially right but I digress....I absolutely agree with CCW's precisely because of what happened to you and your brother.
 
Fuck, you're a douche.

Also, in one post you say he shouldn't have the privilege to carry a firearm then turn around and advocate using it. Jesus Christ, you're the reason responsible gun owners/carriers get a bad rep. He must not have been able to justify using deadly force or I'm quite sure he would have.

All happened pretty fast. Guy new my brother from high school and they had him surrounded. We tried to talk our way out of it and just get out of there before it all went to shit.
 
you should have drawn on em and if they didn't back, uhhh, do I have to answer that? Your sister and law could've got her face smashed. Congrats if you basically became their "meat shield" and saved them from the beating, but still. Why are you even bothering to carry now if you didn't draw then and still think you shoulnd't have? You got no business open carrying. Your not discouraging anybody from assaulting you, they just know they got to get up on you quick and dirty so that you don't have space. That's ALL that open carry is gonna get you. You got two dudes hanging all over you grabbing at your arms, you're not even gonna get to unholster it. They're gonna beat you and take your gun. All because you had to be mr tough guy with the open carry. CCW is the way to go if you absolutely have to have a firearm on yourself. Which hey if you live somewhere where your family members get jumped by gangs then have at it. I said earlier you were too stupid to carry a gun but that's just trolling, i'm partially right but I digress....I absolutely agree with CCW's precisely because of what happened to you and your brother.

You're a waste of air.
 
BB I'm a former 0311 myself and current LEO, I'm 100% with you, there's way more to it than elevated heart rate, I've had a discharge in the line of duty as an LEO elevated heart rate don't mean shit, audio exclusionary, tunnel vision, and fucking mittens for hands. Everyone is a fucking expert until there looking through their rear sight. It's a shitty situation and my life was hell for almost 5 months after especially in mass where I work.
 
You're a stupid fuck, and I think you need ADD meds. You can't keep a train of thought long enough to have a conversation.


I got about 4 of you comin at me with all random types of stupid shit, yours included. I can keep a train of thought but what does that matter with all this retarded shit? I saw a big gun I explicitly said I didn't knwo what it was but it was fuggin huge so I called it a howitzer, so your retarded ass thought I was thinkin the gun was actually called a "howitzer". What can I say to that? It's beyond mentally challenged.


You said to qualify to carry a firearm, you should have to prove you can control your fire with your heart rate 200+
You can't control your fire at that heart rate, which I wouldn't expect you to know.

uhh, everybody's aim degrades the higher the heart rate. But are you telling me that the Marines didn't run your ass prior to shooting? You tellin me they didn't explicity tell you they mean to train you guys how to shoot "as good as you can" while your heart rate is gettin close to 200? Cause I got two marines, 1 army, and 1 SEAL who at some point have all articulated the same thing to me. I'm closest to the SEAL and he's been tellin me to come out and shoot at his place coupel hours south where we can run through the woods behind his property through a course him and his buddies made for themselves. He's always trolling me and my other friends for shooting at a range. He's always telling me it means "nothing" to learn how to shoot real good with your heart rate doing 100-110 or less. And I "know" he was a SEAL cause 1)when he was in I hung out with his team in Norfolk and 2)_there's an awesome reuters picture of a SEAL escort for Karzai....buddy is FRONT AND CENTER!!

I never said you can't get your heart rate that high period. I have never seen an MMA fight use a handgun in the ring. What channel is that on?

you didn't get the point. The point was that even MMA camps understand training at heart rate, which inconceivably for a decorated marine you seem to not.


Also, if you ever call me a fucking liar again, we'll have more than laughs. I am a pretty easy going guy, and when we're slinging shit back and forth, I never take it personal, but I won't tolerate you being a low life piece of shit when it comes to my service. You can fuck right off, and shove your foot in your mouth where it belongs.


Your telling me I don't know shit, and getting personal yourself...than exhibit some rather alarming deficiencies about combat situations which you claim you were regularly part of. I have never seen combat nor do I wish to. I have never taken lead downrange nor have I ever claimed. What I have done is listened to the training methodologies of the guys that I know for a fact were in the military because imo the military is 10 years ahead of all of us in terms of personal fitness. All this crossfit stuff is ex military guys trying to bring that to the mass market, albeit in a slightly different way and differnetly branded for the consumer market. But the basic principles there are all from the military. SO how don't you know this stuff? Am I calling you a liar? I dunno bro...something don't smell right when someone says they were in combat situations yet they didn't get no high heart rates. You asked me if I wouldn't shit my panties if a bullet ripped over my head, hell yes I would and so would you...your heart rate wouldn't be doing no 120 if bullets were pingin around you no matter how good shape you were in.


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No, you fucking waste, I never said they didn't train us at elevated heart rates. I said noone can control their aim at 200+

No, not even your seal buddy.

You're putting words in my mouth and making yourself look like a fool.

Quit while you're behind.
 
No, you fucking waste, I never said they didn't train us at elevated heart rates. I said noone can control their aim at 200+

No, not even your seal buddy.

You're putting words in my mouth and making yourself look like a fool.

Quit while you're behind.


I'm not putting shit in your mouth sorry bro I don't roll that way. And my buddy is damn good with HR doing right around 2 bills. He's obviously probably better when it's lower, and when he does rifle comps I'm sure he ain't winding himself beforehand....but he absolutely is not spraying lead with ANY weapon no matter where his HR is. So yes you can "control" your fire at those rates...if you trained to do it. Sooo...what's your point? I'm claiming that people should be able to at least prove they don't spray lead everywhere in a combat situation if they want to take their guns out of the house. So what possible point of contention could you ahve with this?
 
You're a waste of air.


1) can I whistle dixie?

2) lmao when you thought i was talking about myself when i said "can i stand down". No you can stand down pussy. You can watch your bro and his wife take a beating, not me. If i had a piece on me and was watching family take a beating I don't care if I was at a Fred Martins, a Fred Meyers or the parking lot of a fucking Freddie Mac.


All of you are ho nigga's for not calling him out on this either. Lotta big talk here bout what y'all would do when this or that would happen. Seriously real talk. If you're not gonna draw in the situation Pin described. Why on earth are you all bitching about gun rights?

Pin if an alien spaceship landed and little green fuckers got out and commenced to laying hands on your bro and his wife...would you draw then? Or would you whistle it up again?
 
Great for you, you are gonna carry an open firearm want a fucking junior g man badge?

lol, a fake badge might be the only thing that keeps people in certain neighborhoods from trying to take it from him. That might actually be a good suggestion, flash something out of cereal box.
 
lol, a fake badge might be the only thing that keeps people in certain neighborhoods from trying to take it from him. That might actually be a good suggestion, flash something out of cereal box.

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Sorry. I genuinely apologize. That is hands down the most traumatic thing that I've had to go through and I don't appreciate being called a liar. I'm not a...

Liar
Thief
or
Unreasonably racist.

olololololol!
 
You you really feel so threatened by the risks you encounter on a daily basis that you feel the need for deadly defense?

Its not about the average daily risk. Its about the one day where the risk is so high it is needed. You really feel so threatened by the risk you encounter on a daily basis in your car that you feel the need to wear a seatbelt everyday? Or is it because you feel there might be that one day you really need it.

Why do you have homeowners insurance?
Car Insurance?
Burglar alarms?
Fire alarms?
the list is endless with risk mitigators that probably will never get used, so why waste the money?
 
I'm gonna open carry an AK-47 on my back when I go get lunch today. I'm going to Arby's so nobody will mind.
 
I told my HOA to fuck off too.

i bought a used car that was operational, stripped off the metal body panels and parked it in my drive way.. you know because the garage was full.. licensed and insured, moved it every 24 hours..

good times.. HOA suck ass communist bastards...
 
i bought a used car that was operational, stripped off the metal body panels and parked it in my drive way.. you know because the garage was full.. licensed and insured, moved it every 24 hours..

good times.. HOA suck ass communist bastards...

I have no HOA, yaaay

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Its not about the average daily risk. Its about the one day where the risk is so high it is needed. You really feel so threatened by the risk you encounter on a daily basis in your car that you feel the need to wear a seatbelt everyday? Or is it because you feel there might be that one day you really need it.

Why do you have homeowners insurance?
Car Insurance?
Burglar alarms?
Fire alarms?
the list is endless with risk mitigators that probably will never get used, so why waste the money?

In 56 years I've had, or seen need for all of these things. I've never once been in or seen a situation where a gun would have made things better. And I think the likelihood that a gun could make things worse is pretty good.
 
In 56 years I've had, or seen need for all of these things. I've never once been in or seen a situation where a gun would have made things better. And I think the likelihood that a gun could make things worse is pretty good.

You're old as fuck there, Gandolf
 
You you really feel so threatened by the risks you encounter on a daily basis that you feel the need for deadly defense?

he lives in Alaska.


They have grizzly bears.


Nuf said.
 
Your not discouraging anybody from assaulting you, they just know they got to get up on you quick and dirty so that you don't have space. That's ALL that open carry is gonna get you. You got two dudes hanging all over you grabbing at your arms, you're not even gonna get to unholster it. They're gonna beat you and take your gun. All because you had to be mr tough guy with the open carry. CCW is the way to go if you absolutely have to have a firearm on yourself. Which hey if you live somewhere where your family members get jumped by gangs then have at it. I said earlier you were too stupid to carry a gun but that's just trolling, i'm partially right but I digress....I absolutely agree with CCW's precisely because of what happened to you and your brother.

So you're saying that if YOU were going to jump someone, you would be MORE likely to jump a guy who you KNEW had a gun? LOL! Bullshit bro. Even criminals aren't that stupid.

In 56 years I've had, or seen need for all of these things. I've never once been in or seen a situation where a gun would have made things better. And I think the likelihood that a gun could make things worse is pretty good.

Criminals Fear Armed Citizens More Than The Police
In 1985, the National Institute for Justice reported that:

60% of felons polled agreed that "a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun."

57% of felons polled agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police."

74% of felons polled agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime."

Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one weapon in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.

Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 1981, before the law was passed.

Orlando, FL. In 1966-67, the media highly publicized a safety course which taught Orlando women how to use guns. The result: Orlando's rape rate dropped 88% in 1967, whereas the rape rate remained constant in the rest of Florida and the nation.


Dr. Gary Kleck a criminologist at Florida State University, Kleck began his research as a firm believer in gun control. But in a speech delivered to the National Research Council, he said while he was once "a believer in the 'anti-gun' thesis," he has now moved "beyond even the skeptic position." Dr. Kleck now says the evidence "indicates that general gun availability does not measurably increase rates of homicide, suicide, robbery, assault, rape, or burglary in the U.S."

Kleck found that 92 percent of criminal attacks are deterred when a gun is merely shown (or, rarely, a warning shot fired). By inference, this means that open carry would have the effect of deterring crime in the same way that a thief might choose another restaurant when he sees police eating at his intended target.
 
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It's asinine to think that a criminal who knows someone is armed will be more likely to attack that person or commit a crime against them or around them. It's also asinine to think that a criminal will think of that situation as an opportunity to disarm their intended victim and use their weapon against them.

Criminals will go for the easiest targets, or the targets with the highest perceived potential of reward at the lowest potential of risk to themselves.
 
It's asinine to think that a criminal who knows someone is armed will be more likely to attack that person or commit a crime against them or around them. It's also asinine to think that a criminal will think of that situation as an opportunity to disarm their intended victim and use their weapon against them.

Criminals will go for the easiest targets, or the targets with the highest perceived potential of reward at the lowest potential of risk to themselves.
How dare you be rational and logic about this!?!?!!?
 
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Now CEO, redscam was doing just fine without all of those actual facts and logical thinking ruining the fun...
 
In 56 years I've had, or seen need for all of these things. I've never once been in or seen a situation where a gun would have made things better. And I think the likelihood that a gun could make things worse is pretty good.

I've never needed mine either. But I'm glad i have the right to have it and use it if the need ever arises. Good luck begging for your life if you ever find yourself in that situation.
 
Now CEO, redscam was doing just fine without all of those actual facts and logical thinking ruining the fun...

In the new light of a kinder gentler C&C, it pains me to provide a correction to your post:

* RedScam the EF Cuckhold(TM)

But your understanding and benevolence in this matter is greatly appreciated.

^^^^^ Is this the kind of play-nice we need to do????
 
Criminals will go for the easiest targets, or the targets with the highest perceived potential of reward at the lowest potential of risk to themselves.


Most of these guys never jump someone by themselves, heck just ask Pin...:lmao: Anyway, it would deter perhaps a single assailant but it could definitely be an incentive for a couple guys. They walk up inside buffer zone before they even attack...you know what that means? The distance you had to draw your firearm and possibly use it is already gone before they even signify their intentions. 3 guys get within 6 feet of you, you are getting beaten and that gun is now the property of someone else and will likely be used in a crime. Dude this isn't the medievel ages where dudes draw their swords and charge from 50 ft out. The walk up close to you on the sidewalk and then flash on you. ANd since they see that pistol hangin off your belt guess what they're gonna do...crowd you and keep your hands from pulling. Unless you are a self defence savant that can get distance on multiple attackers you're finished. Hope they don't use your gun on you.
 
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