IGF-1 Medical studies on IM usage vs. Sub-Q

[junk]

I've been unable to find medical studies showing either one is more effective, IM or subcutanous injections of IGF-1. I've also viewed some studies on IGF-1 and they didn't specify there the form of injection (IM, SubQ or IV). If anyone has reliable information I would really appreciate it.

I would prefer sub-q because I'm sick of being a pincusion and have too much to injection as it is and too much scar tissue. Even with HCG I prefer to go sub-q although IM has been shown better, I'd just prefer taking a slighly higher dosage of HCG subcutanously than hcg IM.

Anyone have references?

 

[ricorico]

sub-q is good for igf, i have applied it that way with good results

 

[macrophage69alpha]

IM may provide more local muscle growth, but as far as overall effectiveness. there appears to be no difference. lipoatrophy is an issue with igf, hgh and insulin(at least in type1 diabetics) when subQ is used (though some people want it )

as a note- HCG is MORE effective subQ, unless you are obese....

1: Fertil Steril. 2003 Apr;79(4):881-5. Links
Subcutaneous versus intramuscular administration of human chorionic gonadotropin during an in vitro fertilization cycle.Stelling JR, Chapman ET, Frankfurter D, Harris DH, Oskowitz SP, Reindollar RH.
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Harvard Medical School, Boston IVF, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: To confirm that hCG levels in follicular fluid and serum would be comparable between i.m. and s.c. administration of purified hCG. DESIGN: In a prospective study, serum and follicular fluid levels of hCG after an i.m. or s.c. injection of 10,000 IU of hCG were evaluated 36 hours after injection, that is, at the time of oocyte retrieval. SETTING: This study was carried out in a university-affiliated IVF program. PATIENT(S): Forty women undergoing oocyte retrieval were entered into the study at the time of egg retrieval, that is, 36 hours after hCG administration. INTERVENTION(S): S.c. or i.m. injection of hCG. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S): Serum and follicular fluid concentrations of hCG were evaluated 36 hours after injection at the time of oocyte retrieval. RESULT(S): There was a significantly higher serum hCG level in the s.c. group (348.6 +/- 98 IU/L) vs. the i.m. group (259.0 +/- 115 IU/L) and a significantly higher follicular fluid hCG level in the s.c. vs. the i.m. group (233.5 +/- 85 vs. 143.4 +/- 134 IU/L). CONCLUSION(S): After purified hCG administration via the s.c. route, both serum and follicular fluid levels are greater compared with the i.m. route.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

so you will want to use subQ

 

[Cutt29]

as a note- HCG is MORE effective subQ, unless you are obese....

hmmm, somebody posted a study that said the exact opposite, lol, why cant these damn scientists make up their minds!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

well that study was done at harvard medical, the study you are referring to was done in china. though it may be that chinese women do actually respond better to IM.

there are very significant differences in hormonal responses between asians and whites.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

for instance in thai men nandrolone and test is 99+ percent effective as a contraceptive (after only 2 months). its around 90% effective in white males. (after 6 months)

 

[Cutt29]

well that study you are referring to was done at harvard medical, the study you are referring to was done in china. though it may be that chinese women do actually respond better to IM.

there are very significant differences in hormonal responses between asians and whites.

hmmm interesting...
people from haavahd ahhh wicked smaaahhht

 

[macrophage69alpha]

good will hunting

 

[MR. BMJ]

good will hunting

LOL...

BMJ