If I had it to do over again, my first cycle would've been a gram of test

[slobberknocker]

Just something to think about. I've learned that the sides are basically the same from 500 mgs to 1000 mgs, but the gains are increased. I don't know why a gram is such a taboo thing for a novice user. If there is any steroid that you're better off taking too much of rather than too little, it's testosterone. The sides are easily controlled with things like liquidex. If I had my steroid history back to do over again, here are what my first four cycles would have been:


CYCLE ONE

wk 1-12...test...1 gram/wk
wk 1-15...l-dex..1 mg eod
wk 13-15..clomid


CYCLE TWO

exact same as cycle one


CYCLE THREE

wk 1-12...test...2 grams/wk
wk 1-15...l-dex..1 mg ed
wk 13-15..clomid


CYCLE FOUR

exact same as cycle three


After that, you'd probably be so big that you'd have to start doing much longer cycles.

Anyway, that's my thought for the day. Go ahead and tell me I'm crazy for suggesting so much gear, but remember the sides of test are very easily controlled, those cycles are cheap as hell, and test is the best steroid out there. Just something to ponder. The end.


BTW, I'm not saying every newbie on here needs to start shooting a gram of test. I'm saying this is what I would have done if I had it all to do over again.

 

[Mini Viper]

slobberknocker -

I see your point about sides being the same between 500mg and 1g of test, everyone's different I guess.

My question is , do you gain more when using more?
Also, what sort of Test would one do??i.e prop, cyp...etc

Thanks

 

[Dr. M]

Something to think about if you're desiring unbelievable mass...

For guys like myself, who have a large frame and lots of mass naturally, that sort of cycle doesn't really appeal to me because of how unbelievably big I'd become. I'm a guy who looks for small, solid mass gains and QUALITY muscle; more of a body composition change than a body size change...

But you're totally right - if you want to be a freakin MONSTER, those would be excellent cycles... and test is definitely your best bet.

Good post, slobberknocker!

-M

 

[Mavy]

I think that is ridiculous. Especially for your first cycle when your receptors are virgin and you dont need that much gear to grow. Your thinking should be ... what is the least amount of gear I can take to get optimum results with perfect training diet and rest. Not ... why not double the dose if I can still control the sides. I think that the sides would be more evident than the difference in gains you will make by doubling the dosage.

Mavy

 

[sk*]

2grams of T for a third cycle seems way too much overkill, although I do see an argument (not that I agree) for 1g for a first cycle.

Once upon a time, I was stupid enough to try 1250mg of test for 4weeks. It has been my worse experience ever. Nothing went right and I didn't gain any weight or strength cause the side effects were affecting me negatively. I can honestly say I have done better with 350mg (although this isn't an optimum dose either).

A lot of this is user dependant. Like DrJMW says, find your healthy dose and stick with it. Everyone has a certain dose that they start experiencing horrible side effects at.

If I do decide to cycle again sometime, i'll stick to lower dosages.

-sk

 

[brownpaperbag04]

If test is the best at gaining mass, why is it not usually rated highest on webpages that rate most all steriods? Usually I've seen Androl, Fina, and Test Suspension as the only 3 rated as 10 out of 10 under mass (and strength). Closest test after that is usually Sustanon/Omna rated at 8...while others like dbol are 9.

What test would you recommend taking at such high amounts?

 

[sk*]

If test is the best at gaining mass, why is it not usually rated highest on webpages that rate most all steriods? Usually I've seen Androl, Fina, and Test Suspension as the only 3 rated as 10 out of 10 under mass (and strength). Closest test after that is usually Sustanon/Omna rated at 8...while others like dbol are 9.

What test would you recommend taking at such high amounts?

Those sites are outdated, and those AS get higher ratings cause they make you bloat up real fast and/or increase your strength very fast.

-sk

 

[brownpaperbag04]

Those sites are outdated, and those AS get higher ratings cause they make you bloat up real fast and/or increase your strength very fast.

-sk

That seems to be a resonable answer...however I'm on a Fina cycle right now and I'm definately not bloated. My main interest though is WHICH Test do you guys recommend using at such high amounts? Sustanon? Prop? and how do you break up the injections?

 

[slobberknocker]

That seems to be a resonable answer...however I'm on a Fina cycle right now and I'm definately not bloated. My main interest though is WHICH Test do you guys recommend using at such high amounts? Sustanon? Prop? and how do you break up the injections?

Start another thread, or do a search. "Which test" has been asked at least 65 trillion times, and it really has nothing to do with the subject of the thread. By the way, I like enanthate.

 

[Audio8]

I think that is ridiculous. Especially for your first cycle when your receptors are virgin and you dont need that much gear to grow. Your thinking should be ... what is the least amount of gear I can take to get optimum results with perfect training diet and rest. Not ... why not double the dose if I can still control the sides. I think that the sides would be more evident than the difference in gains you will make by doubling the dosage.

Mavy

agreed. You will gain more if you plan ahead; start at 400mg and slowly increase the dosage over time.