I've grown on 40mg a day of anavar before. Anadrol requires high dosages because it does not attach to the androgen receptors. With that being said, I am on 3500 calories a day, with nolva to try to lower bloat, and I have still put on 14 pounds in 11 days on 50mg of anadrol. Obviously it isn't the best quality mass, but 50mg's of that "strong ass winny" you are referring to can't do that.....