I want a Tommygun....

[redsamurai]

But I've never killed anyone, let alone my mother....so perhaps I do not qualify for this lovely piece of .40 machinery??

'The monster want out': Mentally ill killer amassed huge arsenal, police say - U.S. News


This is why we have background checks, this needs to be stringently investigated as to how this guy passed the check. I mean holy crappissus...if a guy who offed his mom as a jeuvenile can get a liscense to acquire weapons through private dealers, I mean wtf? This is why we can't have nice things.....that Tommygun would be tits for the zombie apoc.

 

[pin]

Hilarious you think a law will stop gun violence.

 

[redsamurai]

Hilarious you think a law will stop gun violence.

well if the BCA had this guys true history he wouldn't have been able to purchase that kind of firepower. So I dunno about a new law because I don't know if an existing one was broken or not. The dude killed his mother as a juvi so i'm assuming that's where the problem lies. It's like letting the menendez brothers arm up if/when they ever make parole. Ridiculous.

 

[zwhit]

But I've never killed anyone, let alone my mother....so perhaps I do not qualify for this lovely piece of .40 machinery??

'The monster want out': Mentally ill killer amassed huge arsenal, police say - U.S. News


This is why we have background checks, this needs to be stringently investigated as to how this guy passed the check. I mean holy crappissus...if a guy who offed his mom as a jeuvenile can get a liscense to acquire weapons through private dealers, I mean wtf? This is why we can't have nice things.....that Tommygun would be tits for the zombie apoc.

The article itself said that the reason he was able to acquire the guns was because his name didn't show up anything on the background check. I'm assuming you've never bought a gun since you have no idea how it works.

As far as background checks between individuals, I think we can give that up, if we must.

 

[WoodyO]

Probably didn't show up on the list since he killed his mother as a child and was declared insane. I'm no law expert, but I'm fairly certain the institutionalized don't show up on the same list as felon's and he most likely had those records sealed when he became an adult anyways.

 

[zwhit]

[QUOTE;15195613]Probably didn't show up on the list since he killed his mother as a child and was declared insane. I'm no law expert, but I'm fairly certain the institutionalized don't show up on the same list as felon's and he most likely had those records sealed when he became an adult anyways.[/QUOTE]

Well there lies your problem, if that's how it works.

Either way, the government was at fault here for letting him slide through the cracks of the background checks. RS clearly thought he was being clever and proving something to us gun nuts by posting this his reasoning for why we need background checks. But it really proves nothing.

 

[zwhit]

nice failure life

 

[redsamurai]

, I think we can give that up, if we must.

if we "must"? See I thought this was already law. I thought this was an internal failure and that the laws are just fine. Your comment makes me wonder? So currently people with "extremely" violent backgrounds, I'd say offing your mother qualifies, as long as they did it as a juvi it never shows up in the BCA database? Tell me that if it had been post juvi it would have shown up, at least tell me that.

 

[redsamurai]

.Well there lies your problem, if that's how it works.

Either way, the government was at fault here for letting him slide through the cracks of the background checks. RS clearly thought he was being clever and proving something to us gun nuts by posting this his reasoning for why we need background checks. But it really proves nothing.

dude I'm just trying to figure out how a guy who offed his mom amasses an arsenal like that. Not trying to be clever nothin so drop the attitude.

 

[WoodyO]

if we "must"? See I thought this was already law. I thought this was an internal failure and that the laws are just fine. Your comment makes me wonder? So currently people with "extremely" violent backgrounds, I'd say offing your mother qualifies, as long as they did it as a juvi it never shows up in the BCA database? Tell me that if it had been post juvi it would have shown up, at least tell me that.

Any crime you commit and are punished for as a child can be sealed when you become an adult. You have to pay to have those records sealed. This isn't the case if you are a minor charged as an adult, or a minor who transfers into adult custody when you come of age.

 

[mrplunkey]

This situation resolves itself in just a few years with the laws and executive orders we have now.

Let's assume his criminal record is still sealed a few years from now.

His health records will be in an PPACA (Obamacare)-compliant Electronic Medical Record (the specific term for compliance is actually "meaningful use"). Those records will be sent to CMS (per existing Obamacare law) and distributed to federal agencies (per the second executive order Barry signed a few weeks ago). His meds, therapy, etc. etc. will all be available.

We're trading a huge amount of privacy for an uncertain amount of security. I sure hope the juice is worth the squeeze.

 

[wootoom]

I want Tommy's gun

 

[WoodyO]

Tommy Guns are pretty cheap. Now I kind of want one:

Shipping Rifles : Thompson 1927A-1 Deluxe T1100D 100 Rnd Drum & Stick Mag

 

[redsamurai]

This situation resolves itself in just a few years with the laws and executive orders we have now.

Let's assume his criminal record is still sealed a few years from now.

His health records will be in an PPACA (Obamacare)-compliant Electronic Medical Record (the specific term for compliance is actually "meaningful use"). Those records will be sent to CMS (per existing Obamacare law) and distributed to federal agencies (per the second executive order Barry signed a few weeks ago). His meds, therapy, etc. etc. will all be available.

We're trading a huge amount of privacy for an uncertain amount of security. I sure hope the juice is worth the squeeze.

well his health records are a result of his criminal activities. I'm not for people's use of anti depressants making it into their record if they have no violent history associated with it. Here there is quite a clear cut and compelling corrolary between his health and criminal records. I mean it couldn't be more clear cut if you tried to write it yourself. Fine, in our coutnry if you kill your family before you turn 18 you can pay to have those records expunged and get a nice office job....but purchasing firearms? Really...?

 

[redsamurai]

Any crime you commit and are punished for as a child can be sealed when you become an adult. You have to pay to have those records sealed. This isn't the case if you are a minor charged as an adult, or a minor who transfers into adult custody when you come of age.

him offing his mother for what I'm assuming is no real good reason given that it wasn't stated, by I will look into it more.....absolutely has to preclude him from purchasing firearms (especially assault weapons) for the rest of his life. I think even the NRA people are like how the fuck did that dude get guns?

 

[mrplunkey]

well his health records are a result of his criminal activities. I'm not for people's use of anti depressants making it into their record if they have no violent history associated with it. Here there is quite a clear cut and compelling corrolary between his health and criminal records. I mean it couldn't be more clear cut if you tried to write it yourself. Fine, in our coutnry if you kill your family before you turn 18 you can pay to have those records expunged and get a nice office job....but purchasing firearms? Really...?

No, access to his health records will be a consequence of all the trade-offs voters are choosing between perceived security and freedom.

And initiatives such as Obamacare and the gun control changes will interact with each other. So while they cost us freedom on an individual basis, they'll work in concert to eliminate even vastly greater amounts of privacy and freedom.

But don't worry, the politically-connected and wealthy will be just fine. We'll see a growing number of boutique physicians who don't participate in federally-funded programs who aren't required to submit medical records to CMS. The wealthy can use them to stay off the health care informatics grid.

 

[redsamurai]

I don't think you understood what I was saying...he was institutionalized because he killed his mother. What I'm saying is he should have been flagged somehow, that's a heck of loophole don't you think? Just kill who you need to before you turn 18 and you're golden on buying firearms later in life.

 

[mrplunkey]

I don't think you understood what I was saying...he was institutionalized because he killed his mother. What I'm saying is he should have been flagged somehow, that's a heck of loophole don't you think? Just kill who you need to before you turn 18 and you're golden on buying firearms later in life.

So we carry over a minor's crimes (when tried as a minor) into adulthood?

 

[redsamurai]

So we carry over a minor's crimes (when tried as a minor) into adulthood?

in the case of such violent offense's absolutely yes. We're not talking about burglarizing a car here or spray painting graffiti on a wall. He killed his mother.

 

[redsamurai]

the state may deem him rehabilitated enough to return to society but you "have" to draw that line at firearms. I think even you can agree in this case this dude should have been flagged in the system somehow. If it requires a new law so be it but something tells me there probably is something on the books somewhere about keeping violent youth offenders flagged on firearm purchases. If not one has to be made. This guy was time bomb, clearly what he was dealing with early in life didn't go away.

 

[WoodyO]

I doubt the state deemed him rehabilitated. Simple fact is that he became an adult, was not insane enough to hold onto and he was turned loose is most likely what happened. Another example of Americas sick falling through the cracks.

 

[redsamurai]

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[redsamurai]

he's sittin in jail right now cause he legally wasn't supposed to have those guns. So the state recognizes him as a convicted felon even though it was a jeuvenile. So it already is on the books he ain't supposed to legally own those firearms even though he was 14 when he shottied up his old lady. So it's just a matter of making sure those kind of offenders get on the do not buy list.

 

[WoodyO]

Here's something most people don't know. The federal gov't wants background checks done, but they don't want to do it themselves. The FFL that sells a new gun is required to process the background check, report the findings to the state capital and to retain the forms in the gun store for something like 20 years.

The federal gov't never see's any of those forms.