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I think the black community's response to Imus was extremely hypocritical

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I normally listen to urban contemporary radio, and in Atlanta 102.5 is basically talk radio for black folk all morning and afternoon. I often listen to Al Sharpton's show in the morning and Micheal Basdon in the afternoon. Al always addresses political and social issues, and Basdon often does so. Also, I catch Tavis Smilley pretty regularly as well. Maybe like a lot of other American raised latinos my own personal culture has been more heavily influenced by African-American culture than white, so I guess I've been pretty deeply immersed in black culture since I moved to America and to Atlanta when I was 6 years old.

Having said all that, I can say without hesitation that over the years I've probably not heard more than about 1/10th as much discussion amongst blacks concerning the extremely common racially charged, insulting, ignorant, and generally low class language that blacks use about one another. And I've never heard outrage about this commonplace occurance.

I'm not sure if Def Comedy Jam is still on the air, but if you ever wanted to hear the words "niggah, bitch, and ho" about 50 times each in an hour, that'd be a good place to start. Living in Atlanta (a predominantly black city) I frequently hear black people use far more racially insulting language towards one another. Not a month ago in McDonald's one black guy beside me in line screamed out "my niggah" to his homie on the other side of the restaurant.

99% of the time when I hear anyone use the word nigger, or it's variant "niggah", it's a black person doing it. Why is that? And no I dont buy the idea that "niggah" is somehow a fraternalized, inoffensive verson of "nigger". If that were so then it wouldnt be really particulary insulting for a white to use it in a black person's presence, right?

Oh and has anyone noticed that "nappy headed ho" aint exactly white person talk? That's straight blackspeak. Clearly Imus originally heard that from a rap song, black movie, directly from another black person, or from a black stand up act.....and he probably heard much worse than what he uttered on the air, and on many occasions.

But what about the common refrain we've all heard? "It's ok I can say that cuz I'm black". What the fuck? And may I see the signed permission slips indicating that from the other 30 million African Americans? No? Lost them? Oh you never had them? Then shut the fuck up you low class, ignorant jackass.

Peeps I'm not suggesting even for a second that Imus' remark wasnt a rude, punkass thing to have said. How old's that cat, like 55? God knows he should know better. He should be lambasted for being a jerk. However, would the "Two Live Stews" (nationally syndicated black sports talk show hosts) have triggered a succession of national protests from the black community, been targeted by every black political leader in the country, and have lost their jobs inside of a week if they'd called those girls nappy headed hoes? I'm saying Imus does not deserve to be punished any more severely than if a black sportscaster was foolish enough to say the same thing on the air.

Being latino I can tell you all with authority that the rampant, commonplace use of such racially based vile language does not exist within our ethnic group in America.

Also, think young jewish males greet each other with "hi you giant hooknosed kike!? How've you been?" Hey Jerry Seinfeld is jewish, right? I dont recall any insulting jewish slurs amongst his missing socks routines though.



So the point of my diatribe is the national African American community as a whole need to begin showing the same degree of outrage at black rappers, comedians, movie producers, and black youth at large for using racial slurs as it does when white radio show hosts do so. Start showing the same degree of respect for your race and ethicity as exists amonst other American ethic groups! Do it now! Pummel the hell out of your youth relentlessly until they realize being black does not give them license to use racially offensive language about black people.
 
You're not going to get black people to do anything "as a whole' any sooner than you'd get white people to do similar.
 
I think the crux of the matter is that Imus said those things about decent college girls trying to get ahead, hence the backlash against him. If he said nappy headed hos in just a general sense I dont think he would have had any problems, or even if he said it about a lowlife black female of sorts. I dont know what to do about the current situation concerning hypocritical double standards regarding black people in america. But I can certainly sense something going on in this country regarding race and its disturbing. I think some sort of critical mass will be reached in the near future and it isnt going to be a good thing. I think blacks need to reevaluate their credibility as a whole when it comes to how they perpetuate stereotypes within their own race, clean up their own backyard, then come to the table knowing there is more credibility when they are offended by stupid comments by xyz person. How races view other races is partly influenced by the image each race puts forth as a whole. It may not be right but its reality and people, and races, have to live in reality. Yes, I know its wishful thinking.
 
Here's an article in todays NY Newsday by Shaun Powell who by the way is a Black man:

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In retrospect, outraged people shouldn't have united and screamed "blank you" to Don Imus the last few days. No, instead, we should've stuck out our hand and said, "Thank you."

We should feel indebted to a shriveled, unfunny, insensitive frog for being so ignorant that he actually did us all a favor. He woke society the hell up. He grabbed it by the throat, shook hard and ordered us to take a long, critical look at ourselves and the mess we've made and ignored for much too long. He made us examine the culture and the characters we've created for ourselves, our impressionable young people and our future.

Had Imus not called a bunch of proud and innocent young women "nappy-headed hos," would we be as ashamed of what we see as we are today?

Or, to quote Rutgers coach C. Vivian Stringer: "Have we really lost our moral fiber?"

And our minds as well?

I'm not sure if the last few days will serve as a watershed moment for this MTV, middle-finger, screw-you generation. Probably not, according to my hunch. A short time from now, the hysteria will turn to vapor, folks will settle back into their routines, somebody will pump up the volume on the latest poison produced by hip-hop while Al Sharpton and the other racial ambulance chasers will find other guilt-ridden white folks to shake for fame and cash. In five minutes, the entire episode of Imus and his strange idea of humor will be older than his hairstyle. Lessons learned will be lessons forgotten.

I wish I were wrong about that last part. But I doubt it, because any minute now, black people will resume calling themselves bitches and hos and the N-word and in the ultimate sign of hypocrisy, neither Rutgers nor anyone else will call a news conference about that.

Because when we really get to the root of the problem, this isn't about Imus. This is about a culture we -- meaning black folks -- created and condoned and packaged for white power brokers to sell and shock jocks like Imus to exploit. Can we talk?

Tell me: Where did an old white guy like Imus learn the word "ho"?

Was that always part of his vocabulary? Or did he borrow it from Jay-Z and Dave Chappelle and Snoop Dogg?

What really disappointed me about that exhausting Rutgers news conference, which was slyly used as a recruiting pitch by Stringer, was the absence of the truth and the lack of backbone and courage. Black women had the perfect opportunity to lash out at their most dangerous oppressors -- black men -- and yet they kept the focus on a white guy.

It was a tremendous letdown for me, personally and professionally. I wanted Stringer, and especially her players, many of whom listen to rap and hip-hop, to take Nelly to task. Or BET. Or MTV. Or the gangsta culture that is suffocating our kids. They had the ear and eye of the nation trained upon them, and yet these women didn't get to the point and the root of the matter. They danced around it, and I guess I should've known better, because black people still refuse to lash out against those black people who are doing harm to us all.

Honestly, I wasn't holding my breath for Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, a pair of phony and self-appointed leaders, because they have their agendas and financial stakes. I was hoping 10 young women, who have nothing on the line, who are members of a young culture, would train their attention to within the race, name names and say enough is enough. But they didn't, and I was crushed.

You should walk around the playground and the elementary and high schools today and listen to how young black people speak to each other, treat each other and tease each other. You'd be ashamed. Next, sample some of their CDs and look at the video games they're playing. And while you're at it, blame yourself for funding this garbage, for allowing your kids to support these companies and for not taking a stand against it or the so-called artists making it happen.

Black folks, for whatever reason, can be their own worst enemy. The last several days, the media had us believe it was Don Imus. But deep down, we know better.
 
Dial_tone said:
Here's an article in todays NY Newsday by Shaun Powell who by the way is a Black man:

----------------

In retrospect, outraged people shouldn't have united and screamed "blank you" to Don Imus the last few days. No, instead, we should've stuck out our hand and said, "Thank you."

We should feel indebted to a shriveled, unfunny, insensitive frog for being so ignorant that he actually did us all a favor. He woke society the hell up. He grabbed it by the throat, shook hard and ordered us to take a long, critical look at ourselves and the mess we've made and ignored for much too long. He made us examine the culture and the characters we've created for ourselves, our impressionable young people and our future.

Had Imus not called a bunch of proud and innocent young women "nappy-headed hos," would we be as ashamed of what we see as we are today?

Or, to quote Rutgers coach C. Vivian Stringer: "Have we really lost our moral fiber?"

And our minds as well?

I'm not sure if the last few days will serve as a watershed moment for this MTV, middle-finger, screw-you generation. Probably not, according to my hunch. A short time from now, the hysteria will turn to vapor, folks will settle back into their routines, somebody will pump up the volume on the latest poison produced by hip-hop while Al Sharpton and the other racial ambulance chasers will find other guilt-ridden white folks to shake for fame and cash. In five minutes, the entire episode of Imus and his strange idea of humor will be older than his hairstyle. Lessons learned will be lessons forgotten.

I wish I were wrong about that last part. But I doubt it, because any minute now, black people will resume calling themselves bitches and hos and the N-word and in the ultimate sign of hypocrisy, neither Rutgers nor anyone else will call a news conference about that.

Because when we really get to the root of the problem, this isn't about Imus. This is about a culture we -- meaning black folks -- created and condoned and packaged for white power brokers to sell and shock jocks like Imus to exploit. Can we talk?

Tell me: Where did an old white guy like Imus learn the word "ho"?

Was that always part of his vocabulary? Or did he borrow it from Jay-Z and Dave Chappelle and Snoop Dogg?

What really disappointed me about that exhausting Rutgers news conference, which was slyly used as a recruiting pitch by Stringer, was the absence of the truth and the lack of backbone and courage. Black women had the perfect opportunity to lash out at their most dangerous oppressors -- black men -- and yet they kept the focus on a white guy.

It was a tremendous letdown for me, personally and professionally. I wanted Stringer, and especially her players, many of whom listen to rap and hip-hop, to take Nelly to task. Or BET. Or MTV. Or the gangsta culture that is suffocating our kids. They had the ear and eye of the nation trained upon them, and yet these women didn't get to the point and the root of the matter. They danced around it, and I guess I should've known better, because black people still refuse to lash out against those black people who are doing harm to us all.

Honestly, I wasn't holding my breath for Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, a pair of phony and self-appointed leaders, because they have their agendas and financial stakes. I was hoping 10 young women, who have nothing on the line, who are members of a young culture, would train their attention to within the race, name names and say enough is enough. But they didn't, and I was crushed.

You should walk around the playground and the elementary and high schools today and listen to how young black people speak to each other, treat each other and tease each other. You'd be ashamed. Next, sample some of their CDs and look at the video games they're playing. And while you're at it, blame yourself for funding this garbage, for allowing your kids to support these companies and for not taking a stand against it or the so-called artists making it happen.

Black folks, for whatever reason, can be their own worst enemy. The last several days, the media had us believe it was Don Imus. But deep down, we know better.

Holy shit! Someone gets it!!!
 
is al sharpton going to apologize to duke lacrosse players or the cops tawana brawley accused?

fucking race pimp.
 
p0ink said:
is al sharpton going to apologize to duke lacrosse players or the cops tawana brawley accused?

fucking race pimp.

Extortionists don't ever apologize. They just move on to their next victim.
 
superdave said:
I think the crux of the matter is that Imus said those things about decent college girls trying to get ahead, hence the backlash against him. If he said nappy headed hos in just a general sense I dont think he would have had any problems, or even if he said it about a lowlife black female of sorts. I dont know what to do about the current situation concerning hypocritical double standards regarding black people in america. But I can certainly sense something going on in this country regarding race and its disturbing. I think some sort of critical mass will be reached in the near future and it isnt going to be a good thing. I think blacks need to reevaluate their credibility as a whole when it comes to how they perpetuate stereotypes within their own race, clean up their own backyard, then come to the table knowing there is more credibility when they are offended by stupid comments by xyz person. How races view other races is partly influenced by the image each race puts forth as a whole. It may not be right but its reality and people, and races, have to live in reality. Yes, I know its wishful thinking.

I agree those young ladies are trying to get ahead in life by seeking a higher education and for someone to put them down in that manner is disturbing....
 
p0ink said:
is al sharpton going to apologize to duke lacrosse players or the cops tawana brawley accused?

fucking race pimp.
Actually Al Sharpton never really got too involved (nor did Jesse) in the Duke case except in the very beginning. I think his ass was still singed from Tawanna Brawley to want to get too close to that one.
 
imus dug his own grave.....had he ignored the whole thing, it would have went away.

he just gave sharpton credibility...and sharpton will turn anything into a race issue
 
Arabian said:
I agree those young ladies are trying to get ahead in life by seeking a higher education and for someone to put them down in that manner is disturbing....
aint taking your bait bro.
 
jerkbox said:
imus dug his own grave.....had he ignored the whole thing, it would have went away.

he just gave sharpton credibility...and sharpton will turn anything into a race issue
The really stupid part is this whole thing could have been avoided if JUST ONE person on his staff had thought to themselves:

"you know what....that didn't sound right. We better make sure Don apologizes before the show is over so it doesn't turn into something big. We don't want to let that one stew overnight".
 
i'm a nappy headed guinea wop greasy bastard, and proud of it.

I hope tv disappears, it has truly become an idiot box.
 
mightymouse69 said:
I hope tv disappears, it has truly become an idiot box.
supposedly it's the airwaves that are posioning todays young minds
yesterday it was the rolling stones,
today it's nelly
 
Couple other goofy things about this - MSNBC didn't pull his simulcast until the sponsors announced they were leaving. And same w/ CBS. If they actually cared about what he said it would've been done a week ago.

I feel just shitty for the Rutgers players tho - I mean you work your ass off in college, get to play hoops in the NCAA finals and this shit explodes all over the place. People on national radio making just mean comments about you when you didn't even do anything.

But I will also say that there are other people who have said MUCH worse (ref RW's post) but Imus lost his career over it. Jimmy the Greek all over again.
 
Gambino said:
supposedly it's the airwaves that are posioning todays young minds
yesterday it was the rolling stones,
today it's nelly



No way bro. Nelly is from the Lou.

Been clubbing with his crew.

Went swimming in that MF'rs pool.
 
jh1 said:
No way bro. Nelly is from the Lou.

Been clubbing with his crew.

Went swimming in that MF'rs pool.

lol no shit, I'm not disputing his residence
just saying that peeps think rap music is the downfall of society
and a few decades ago it was rock n roll that was fucking everybody up
 
Gambino said:
lol no shit, I'm not disputing his residence
just saying that peeps think rap music is the downfall of society
and a few decades ago it was rock n roll that was fucking everybody up

I gotcha bro.. I'm picking up what ur throwing down.
 
Sassy69 said:
Couple other goofy things about this - MSNBC didn't pull his simulcast until the sponsors announced they were leaving. And same w/ CBS. If they actually cared about what he said it would've been done a week ago.

I feel just shitty for the Rutgers players tho - I mean you work your ass off in college, get to play hoops in the NCAA finals and this shit explodes all over the place. People on national radio making just mean comments about you when you didn't even do anything.

But I will also say that there are other people who have said MUCH worse (ref RW's post) but Imus lost his career over it. Jimmy the Greek all over again.
Them nappy headed ho's should consider themselves lucky. Tell me this - who was the women's Bball runner-up last year? EXACTLY. this is the only reason anybody cares who they are now.
 
jh1 said:
^^^^

Dial Tone needs a timeout for that racialization commets..

I'm offended.
Its physically impossible for dt to be a racialist, hes black.
 
Someobdy could make a mint selling Nappy Headed Ho t-shirts.....as long as they're black. If they're white they'll be run out of town before dark.
 
Dial_tone said:
Someobdy could make a mint selling Nappy Headed Ho t-shirts.....as long as they're black. If they're white they'll be run out of town before dark.
I was actually amazed that Tommy Hilfiger is a white guy what with the predominant amount of black people that buy his stuff.
 
Dial_tone said:
Someobdy could make a mint selling Nappy Headed Ho t-shirts.....as long as they're black. If they're white they'll be run out of town before dark.


or Nappy Headed Ho Monopoly
 
I almost watched the NCAA women's finals this year
me and a bro were discussing it commenting on how the woman's game is kinda good now
but I forgot
 
Dial_tone said:
Them nappy headed ho's should consider themselves lucky. Tell me this - who was the women's Bball runner-up last year? EXACTLY. this is the only reason anybody cares who they are now.


lol...for about 20 seconds i forgot who the winner even was...which is extremely pathetic because i just graduated from maryland lolololol. just not really a fan of women's ball...it was fun watching duke get pwned though (and of course rioting afterwards)
 
I think he probably didn't mean to offend, and yes, he used a phrase that black people use amoung themselves, i'm sure. BUT...

if MY daughter was on a college sports team, and working her butt off and doing really well, and someone referred to her as a "ho" or a 'country hick bitch', or any other derogatory way, i'd be FURIOUS.

i think what imus did so wrong was that he called these young women specifically a name. nomatter what that word was, whether it was 'ho' or 'bitch' or 'nappy head'- it wasn't a general name calling- it was specific, and it was directed at young, hard working, successful girls who in no way were asking for it.
 
Dial_tone said:
Someobdy could make a mint selling Nappy Headed Ho t-shirts.....as long as they're black. If they're white they'll be run out of town before dark.
that idea is in the works with a local shop at a flea market..but again she is considering the consequences as the shop has already been in the local news.
 
Dial_tone said:
The really stupid part is this whole thing could have been avoided if JUST ONE person on his staff had thought to themselves:

"you know what....that didn't sound right. We better make sure Don apologizes before the show is over so it doesn't turn into something big. We don't want to let that one stew overnight".

The really stupid part is the culture that created and celebrates this type of language is up in arms about WHO said it once. This rap, gansta culture should first look at them selves before they point a finger.
Rottenwillow nailed it.
The things we, as a country get riled about are laughable, grade school things. This type of thing only further divides us and it is rediculous. We have become a nation of elementary kids, worrying about being called names.
Name calling is not a problem, hell it is not an issue. Changing the language we use with each other solves nothing. In fact focusing on language has created more problems. It is a bandaid. It solves nothing. The bigger issue at hand is being ignored for this sophomoric issue.
 
Imus is known for comments like that.. calling politicians, high power people and music artist names etc... most people just don't know him period.......................................................
 
Dial_tone said:
You're not going to get black people to do anything "as a whole' any sooner than you'd get white people to do similar.


Well, tell those dumb Pollocks to get their shit their shit together so it can be done right.
 
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