I know this might sounds strange...HCG cycle

[MrRTTB]

A while back I tried someting different. I decided to try out HCG for a 14day period and see if this alone would give anything in musclemass. Remember at this time I was off since a few months back. My sexdrive was normal but I didn't check my bloodvalues before, so I can'ät say if I was 100% recovered from the last cycle.

I decided to try HCG Pregnyl at 500ie per day for 14days.

Results: I didnt notice much the first 3 days, but on the forth things beganto happen. I got more energy during the day and my sleep improved. I also started to get more "horny" during the days and night. After the first 7days I noticed my muscles got harder and I started to gain some size and strength. By the 10:th day I was supprised over the results I had. I could train harder and I gained size and strength each session. I didnät get as sore and It seemed I recovered a lot faster. After the last shoot I didn't drop back in weight or size or strength.

My question to you guys, vets and experts would be this. HCG for a limit period of, let say 14days, would this be very negative on the body. Some say the body might get used to HCG and your natural test production might slow down(I can't comment this as I do not know the facts).

 

[sigmund]

A while back I tried someting different. I decided to try out HCG for a 14day period and see if this alone would give anything in musclemass. Remember at this time I was off since a few months back. My sexdrive was normal but I didn't check my bloodvalues before, so I can'ät say if I was 100% recovered from the last cycle.

I decided to try HCG Pregnyl at 500ie per day for 14days.

Results: I didnt notice much the first 3 days, but on the forth things beganto happen. I got more energy during the day and my sleep improved. I also started to get more "horny" during the days and night. After the first 7days I noticed my muscles got harder and I started to gain some size and strength. By the 10:th day I was supprised over the results I had. I could train harder and I gained size and strength each session. I didnät get as sore and It seemed I recovered a lot faster. After the last shoot I didn't drop back in weight or size or strength.

My question to you guys, vets and experts would be this. HCG for a limit period of, let say 14days, would this be very negative on the body. Some say the body might get used to HCG and your natural test production might slow down(I can't comment this as I do not know the facts).

It's something I've considered too. Sounds like you got results. Used in conjunction with Nolva it should be safe, Jenetic posted a study on the PCT board demonstrating that Nolva helps to prevent Leydig cell desentization.

It's also important to note that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that is not only wasteful but doing so has negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raise estrogen levels (although can be controlled via Adex etc). Most importantly high doses (of approx 750iu's + daily taken for more than 21 days) can cause Leydig cell desentization to LH, and therefore induce primary hypogonadism.

 

[macdaddy-1]

^^^^^not totally true.Ive read studies about a gear user receiving 10,000i.u shots(post cycle) twice weekly to increase semenal volume and treat hpta suppression.No adverse effects were noted.

 

[sigmund]

^^^^^not totally true.Ive read studies about a gear user receiving 10,000i.u shots(post cycle) twice weekly to increase semenal volume and treat hpta suppression.No adverse effects were noted.

I read the same thing and was shocked! I'm not an endo so don't know the reasoning behind such large doses but from what I've read daily injects of 500-750IU's would be effective and safe for most gear users, even those shut down hard (when coupled with Nolva). 10,000 iu in one shot seems to be asking for trouble (and gyno) but if it worked with no adverse sides who am I too argue!

 

[Judo Tom]

i know people that have run nolva only at 20mg a day for 4-6 weeks and liked the results..

there test levels were elevated from about week 2 to week 7 or 8

these were needle freaks but they were very happy with there results

 

[patriots357]

i know people that have run nolva only at 20mg a day for 4-6 weeks and liked the results..

there test levels were elevated from about week 2 to week 7 or 8

these were needle freaks but they were very happy with there results

Too much HCg can give you one hell of an Headache that is usually BP related, that is if you shoot too much at once

 

[sigmund]

i know people that have run nolva only at 20mg a day for 4-6 weeks and liked the results..

there test levels were elevated from about week 2 to week 7 or 8

these were needle freaks but they were very happy with there results

I ran Nolva for an extended period when trying to kill of some gyno a few years ago (20mg ED), at first i had plenty of morning wood, but later (4 weeks or so in), I was having a real hard time achieving orgasm / getting a full boner and felt kind of numb - scared the shit out of me so I stopped at about week 7 and things eventually returned to normal (5-6 weeks later). Interestingly when I had my blood tested approx 10 weeks later my estradiol was high (above normal range) - rebound effect?

 

[Makavelli]

I don't know about HCG, but I've used clomid alone when I was natural and I noticed an increase in my test levels. Of course, now I know what a real elevation of test feels like, but at the time, I was excited.

 

[Judo Tom]

I ran Nolva for an extended period when trying to kill of some gyno a few years ago (20mg ED), at first i had plenty of morning wood, but later (4 weeks or so in), I was having a real hard time achieving orgasm / getting a full boner and felt kind of numb - scared the shit out of me so I stopped at about week 7 and things eventually returned to normal (5-6 weeks later). Interestingly when I had my blood tested approx 10 weeks later my estradiol was high (above normal range) - rebound effect?

yes i believe that would be rebound effect

did you notice/maintain any gains while doing this?

 

[sigmund]

yes i believe that would be rebound effect

did you notice/maintain any gains while doing this?

I ran it purely for anti-gyno purposes but as mentioned did feel an initial surge, if you can go by morning wood / libido then yes initially things were enhanced but after approx 4 weeks i got the opposite. I didn't notice any significant strength increases.

 

[sigmund]

I'm still curious about running an HCG "cycle" - I might do this next month for 4 weeks (500 IU a day + .5mg Adex E 3rd day).

If I do it, I'll post up results.

 

[Snarling Force]

According to Jenetic's PCT sticky, HCG is to be taken at 1,000iu M/W/F for 3 weeks. That is what I'm doing now but Sigmund your saying anything over 500-750 is a bad idea? I'm coming to the end of week 2 of my PCT and so far have injected 6,000ius of HCG. My balls still seem a bit small to me but maybe I'm just paranoid.

 

[sigmund]

According to Jenetic's PCT sticky, HCG is to be taken at 1,000iu M/W/F for 3 weeks. That is what I'm doing now but Sigmund your saying anything over 500-750 is a bad idea? I'm coming to the end of week 2 of my PCT and so far have injected 6,000ius of HCG. My balls still seem a bit small to me but maybe I'm just paranoid.

I usually find my balls return to normal a few weeks after I finish HCG (when taken as part of PCT).

I'm talking about taking HCG everyday at 500IU (not as recovery but to see what effect it has as an alternative to exogenous testosterone)

I've changed my mind on Leydig Cell desensitisation after speaking with Jenetic and researching more. I don't think it's that easy to cause permanent damage via HCG.

 

[wesley90]

As with almost all hormones, wouldnt injecting HCG cause the endogeneous production of GnRH to shutdown? Thats what my urologist said anyways...

 

[sigmund]

As with almost all hormones, wouldnt injecting HCG cause the endogeneous production of GnRH to shutdown? Thats what my urologist said anyways...

Yes it would, but from what I've read pituitary gonadotropin levels recover very quickly.

 

[wesley90]

How quickly?

 

[sigmund]

How quickly?

Check out this page:

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/content/page-77.html

 

[pursuit]

Thanks Sigmund, great article! Everyone please read

 

[Snarling Force]

Check out this page:

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/content/page-77.html

That is a great article! K to you Sigmund! Everyone should take the time and read it.