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.. how the fuck does he do this to himself? He's like rail thin, pale ass white and probably feels like shit all the time

why not just eat meat you whiney fuck?
 
one of my good friends became a nazi vegan
the guy looks like shit but "saving animals" or some shit.
this issue has reduced our friendship
 
the_clockwork said:
I'd prefer to stay away from shoving anything in another man's ass
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Catcher huh? :) I'm kidding doll!

I was reading over on the muscle recipe thread about a guy who was wanting to build mass..How the hell is that possible?

I know some vegans. I can't relate , but to each their own I guess.
 
they take iron supplements for their iron deficient bodies but they aren't saving any animals.. the less they eat the more I do!
 
Isn't it possible to get all necessary vitamins and minerals without eating meat? I think it is - that guy just doesn't know what he is doing.
 
reno240 said:
Isn't it possible to get all necessary vitamins and minerals without eating meat? I think it is - that guy just doesn't know what he is doing.
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I don't know.. All vegans are fucking stupid, don't they know plants have feelings too?
 
ya I'm aware they aren't bodybuilders but how can you live w/o anything w/ dairy in it or meat.. the motherfucker eats beans and greens and that's it
 
the_clockwork said:
i hope you are joking
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Yep! - red meat is mother's milk to me. In fact I sometimes cook up a steak and then blend it with the pan juices to drink while I workout.
 
reno240 said:
Yep! - red meat is mother's milk to me. In fact I sometimes cook up a steak and then blend it with the pan juices to drink while I workout.
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holy shit, I hope you are joking about this more than the vegan comment
 
i cant remember who or if it was even on this site or in real life, but i heard from somewhere about a "vegan bodybuilder" who is a vegan and in much better shape than lots of people!!!

for some reason i wanan say blueta posted this
 
the_clockwork said:
holy shit, I hope you are joking about this more than the vegan comment
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LOL - what's wrong with this? If you really want to add some flavor throw some rendered bacon fat in there. YUMO!
 
SublimeZM said:
i cant remember who or if it was even on this site or in real life, but i heard from somewhere about a "vegan bodybuilder" who is a vegan and in much better shape than lots of people!!!

for some reason i wanan say blueta posted this
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you would be correct :-)
 
SublimeZM said:
i cant remember who or if it was even on this site or in real life, but i heard from somewhere about a "vegan bodybuilder" who is a vegan and in much better shape than lots of people!!!

for some reason i wanan say blueta posted this
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bullshit

I'd like to see him and his diet.. then I'd like to witness him only eating that diet and maintaining that shape.

supplements come from something
 
the_clockwork said:
bullshit

I'd like to see him and his diet.. then I'd like to witness him only eating that diet and maintaining that shape.

supplements come from something
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Geez brutha, open your mind a little...Surprisingly, being a vegetarian bodybuilder isn’t really as difficult as many people automatically assume it is. In some ways it may be easier because adhering to a real vegetarian diet takes a lot of focus and discipline, two things that will greatly help you in the gym.

First, we should define our terms because there are three basic groups of people who consider themselves “vegetarians.” I refer to these three groups as pseudo-vegetarians, meat vegetarians and vegetarians. The pseudo vegetarian avoids beef, chicken and poultry but will sometimes eat fish and has no problem with other animal products. A meat vegetarian avoids all meat. A vegetarian avoids any foods (or products in general) that contain any amount of animal product.

This article is aimed directly at the true vegetarians, who avoid all animal products. The meat-vegetarians and pseudo-vegetarians will gain useful information as well, but true vegetarians have very specialized needs during
bodybuilding.

Since there is no difference in biological manner in which a vegetarian and a carnivore actually build muscles, we don’t need to go into any specific exercise differences. Instead, we’ll be focusing on dietary issues.

The first challenge goes back to the way muscles build in our bodies. We exercise our muscles, which does microscopic damage to the tissue and then our bodies repair the damage with bigger and stronger tissue while we recuperate. To effectively do this, our bodies need to use protein in massive amounts, which is why bodybuilders increase their protein intake.

Vegetarians face a challenge here because the most common source of protein is meat. Okay, so it’s not actually that much of a challenge. According to the Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score, soy is equal to whey and superior to beef in protein content. Soy provides all 8 essential amino acids required by your body for growing and repairing muscles. Vegetarians would be well-advised to consider soy as a primary protein source.

The really good news is that soy is also a fantastic source of glutamine which many bodybuilders already take in supplemental form. Soy is available in many different forms such as tofu, miso, soy powder and soy milk. Soy milk is definitely something to have on hand as it can be used to replace cow’s
milk in recipes, which will help expand your basic food options.

Almonds, sunflower seeds, walnuts, and pistachio nuts are all excellent sources of both protein and fat; the vegetarian needs to work on getting enough good fats as well, so with the above examples you can go nuts…was that a pun?

You can also add a tablespoon or so of flaxseed oil, as flax seed is one of the very best sources for the essential fatty acid alpha linolenic acid.

Finally, vegetarians need to ensure that they get enough vitamins and minerals. This can be done in multivitamin form although most of the meal-replacement shakes which are so popular among bodybuilders already contain vitamins and minerals galore. The only additional vitamin to look for is B12, which is generally an animal product based vitamin.

Like I said in the beginning, it isn’t nearly as hard to be a vegetarian bodybuilder as many people would think. You’ve got the discipline part down and, by following the guidelines listed above, you will be set up nutritionally to build massive amounts of muscle!
 
blueta2 said:
Geez brutha, open your mind a little...Surprisingly, being a vegetarian bodybuilder isn’t really as difficult as many people automatically assume it is. In some ways it may be easier because adhering to a real vegetarian diet takes a lot of focus and discipline, two things that will greatly help you in the gym.

First, we should define our terms because there are three basic groups of people who consider themselves “vegetarians.” I refer to these three groups as pseudo-vegetarians, meat vegetarians and vegetarians. The pseudo vegetarian avoids beef, chicken and poultry but will sometimes eat fish and has no problem with other animal products. A meat vegetarian avoids all meat. A vegetarian avoids any foods (or products in general) that contain any amount of animal product.

This article is aimed directly at the true vegetarians, who avoid all animal products. The meat-vegetarians and pseudo-vegetarians will gain useful information as well, but true vegetarians have very specialized needs during
bodybuilding.

Since there is no difference in biological manner in which a vegetarian and a carnivore actually build muscles, we don’t need to go into any specific exercise differences. Instead, we’ll be focusing on dietary issues.

The first challenge goes back to the way muscles build in our bodies. We exercise our muscles, which does microscopic damage to the tissue and then our bodies repair the damage with bigger and stronger tissue while we recuperate. To effectively do this, our bodies need to use protein in massive amounts, which is why bodybuilders increase their protein intake.

Vegetarians face a challenge here because the most common source of protein is meat. Okay, so it’s not actually that much of a challenge. According to the Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score, soy is equal to whey and superior to beef in protein content. Soy provides all 8 essential amino acids required by your body for growing and repairing muscles. Vegetarians would be well-advised to consider soy as a primary protein source.

The really good news is that soy is also a fantastic source of glutamine which many bodybuilders already take in supplemental form. Soy is available in many different forms such as tofu, miso, soy powder and soy milk. Soy milk is definitely something to have on hand as it can be used to replace cow’s
milk in recipes, which will help expand your basic food options.

Almonds, sunflower seeds, walnuts, and pistachio nuts are all excellent sources of both protein and fat; the vegetarian needs to work on getting enough good fats as well, so with the above examples you can go nuts…was that a pun?

You can also add a tablespoon or so of flaxseed oil, as flax seed is one of the very best sources for the essential fatty acid alpha linolenic acid.

Finally, vegetarians need to ensure that they get enough vitamins and minerals. This can be done in multivitamin form although most of the meal-replacement shakes which are so popular among bodybuilders already contain vitamins and minerals galore. The only additional vitamin to look for is B12, which is generally an animal product based vitamin.

Like I said in the beginning, it isn’t nearly as hard to be a vegetarian bodybuilder as many people would think. You’ve got the discipline part down and, by following the guidelines listed above, you will be set up nutritionally to build massive amounts of muscle!
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Meat shakes help too...
 
javaguru said:
They have to be careful to avoid B vitamin deficiencies. The most bioavailable form of iron comes from meat.
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That is true.....but there are many ways to still get great sources of the B's
 
OMG.....Thanks Blu. I learned something today. It's always fun to learn about something you never knew existed. Kisses to you!

I'd send you love but I gotta pass it around.
 
the_clockwork said:
I believe there are SOME vegan BB's but I'm saying they don't compete against real BB's.. the guy looks good but he's still a skinny bitch for professional BB'ing
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ummmmmmmmmm well maybe he respects his body enough not to JUICE. Vegan means REAL, no chemicals in there body. In my eyes, they get more respect from me cause their hard work is real and not 50% juice and 50% hard work. They are 100% hard work!
 
blueta2 said:
Geez brutha, open your mind a little...Surprisingly, being a vegetarian bodybuilder isn’t really as difficult as many people automatically assume it is. In some ways it may be easier because adhering to a real vegetarian diet takes a lot of focus and discipline, two things that will greatly help you in the gym.

First, we should define our terms because there are three basic groups of people who consider themselves “vegetarians.” I refer to these three groups as pseudo-vegetarians, meat vegetarians and vegetarians. The pseudo vegetarian avoids beef, chicken and poultry but will sometimes eat fish and has no problem with other animal products. A meat vegetarian avoids all meat. A vegetarian avoids any foods (or products in general) that contain any amount of animal product.

This article is aimed directly at the true vegetarians, who avoid all animal products. The meat-vegetarians and pseudo-vegetarians will gain useful information as well, but true vegetarians have very specialized needs during
bodybuilding.

Since there is no difference in biological manner in which a vegetarian and a carnivore actually build muscles, we don’t need to go into any specific exercise differences. Instead, we’ll be focusing on dietary issues.

The first challenge goes back to the way muscles build in our bodies. We exercise our muscles, which does microscopic damage to the tissue and then our bodies repair the damage with bigger and stronger tissue while we recuperate. To effectively do this, our bodies need to use protein in massive amounts, which is why bodybuilders increase their protein intake.

Vegetarians face a challenge here because the most common source of protein is meat. Okay, so it’s not actually that much of a challenge. According to the Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score, soy is equal to whey and superior to beef in protein content. Soy provides all 8 essential amino acids required by your body for growing and repairing muscles. Vegetarians would be well-advised to consider soy as a primary protein source.

The really good news is that soy is also a fantastic source of glutamine which many bodybuilders already take in supplemental form. Soy is available in many different forms such as tofu, miso, soy powder and soy milk. Soy milk is definitely something to have on hand as it can be used to replace cow’s
milk in recipes, which will help expand your basic food options.

Almonds, sunflower seeds, walnuts, and pistachio nuts are all excellent sources of both protein and fat; the vegetarian needs to work on getting enough good fats as well, so with the above examples you can go nuts…was that a pun?

You can also add a tablespoon or so of flaxseed oil, as flax seed is one of the very best sources for the essential fatty acid alpha linolenic acid.

Finally, vegetarians need to ensure that they get enough vitamins and minerals. This can be done in multivitamin form although most of the meal-replacement shakes which are so popular among bodybuilders already contain vitamins and minerals galore. The only additional vitamin to look for is B12, which is generally an animal product based vitamin.

Like I said in the beginning, it isn’t nearly as hard to be a vegetarian bodybuilder as many people would think. You’ve got the discipline part down and, by following the guidelines listed above, you will be set up nutritionally to build massive amounts of muscle!
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soy is a estrogen mimic and shrinks your nuts and raises estrogen, unless hes jucing all that soy is gunna fuck him up
 
vixensghost said:
OMG.....Thanks Blu. I learned something today. It's always fun to learn about something you never knew existed. Kisses to you!

I'd send you love but I gotta pass it around.
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Remember, I want dirty love ;-)

:heart:
 
blueta2 said:
ummmmmmmmmm well maybe he respects his body enough not to JUICE. Vegan means REAL, no chemicals in there body. In my eyes, they get more respect from me cause their hard work is real and not 50% juice and 50% hard work. They are 100% hard work!
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Please.. where do you think these supplements he takes come from? They don't harvest them from plants
 
blueta2 said:
ummmmmmmmmm well maybe he respects his body enough not to JUICE. Vegan means REAL, no chemicals in there body. In my eyes, they get more respect from me cause their hard work is real and not 50% juice and 50% hard work. They are 100% hard work!
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Well - I don't see how juicing diminishes someone's hard work. Just because someone juices doesn't mean they work any less than mister vegan man. I agree that if someone is smart and disciplined vegan's can body build and be good at it, but don't rule out that he isn't also using supplements.
 
SublimeZM said:
soy is a estrogen mimic and shrinks your nuts and raises estrogen, unless hes jucing all that soy is gunna fuck him up
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There is no substantial proof of that yet. But wait, roids are good for you right?
 
Guy's hard work is hard work....

I could care less if someone juices or is a vegan BB using supps or not.

IT ALLLL TAKES HARD WORK!
 
blueta2 said:
There is no substantial proof of that yet. But wait, steroids are good for you right?
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There is no substantial proof that steroids are bad for you
 
blueta2 said:
There is no substantial proof of that yet. But wait, steroids are good for you right?
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i dont do steroids, yet, and if/when i do, i will work just as hard as i am now, lift hard, eat hard, eat clean. so ill be giving 100% of all i have. if you say steroids are 50% then fucking awsome, ill be giving 150% towards my goals, and be that much awsomer than everyone else.

a little above i posted a link to one of many articles iv found about how much soy sucks and is completely awful for you.
 
I never said it wasn't hard work, but it takes someone using roids less time to gain mass than a non-roid user.
 
vixensghost said:
Guy's hard work is hard work....

I could care less if someone juices or is a vegan BB using supps or not.

IT ALLLL TAKES HARD WORK!
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rolling up a hill is hard work, but why not use that time and energy to just walk up further than your rolling?

thats my analagy for real bodybuilders vs veagan bodybuilders
 
SublimeZM said:
i dont do steroids, yet, and if/when i do, i will work just as hard as i am now, lift hard, eat hard, eat clean. so ill be giving 100% of all i have. if you say steroids are 50% then fucking awsome, ill be giving 150% towards my goals, and be that much awsomer than everyone else.

a little above i posted a link to one of many articles iv found about how much soy sucks and is completely awful for you.
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Yeah that was from a HARD CORE bodybuilder site.......show me medical proof. There is none!
 
blueta2 said:
I never said it wasn't hard work, but it takes someone using steroids less time to gain mass than a non-roid user.
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most hardcore juicers reached respectable size and strength goals before juicing.

i personally view juice as an assist in reaching what the body isnt capable of reaching on its own. its not a crutch, but rather a barrier breaker.

its physically impossible no matter how many veagan vegetables and mushrooms and soybeans someone eats, to reach a certain size at a certain bf%, but with steroids your body's barriers are pushed much further
 
blueta2 said:
I never said it wasn't hard work, but it takes someone using steroids less time to gain mass than a non-roid user.
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true but not true

this guy is probably vegan BB'ers poster guy.. he has 16.5 inch arms!!

BBer's that use riods are way way way bigger. I bet even 85% of the guys on C&C have 16.5 inch arms
 
blueta2 said:
Yeah but she looked much cuter making it

You're too hung up on e-coli shakes ;-)
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First of all - How do you know?

Second, don't knock my meat shakes unless you try it... Want me to swing by and whip you up some of my meat shake?
 
SublimeZM said:
rolling up a hill is hard work, but why not use that time and energy to just walk up further than your rolling?

thats my analagy for real bodybuilders vs veagan bodybuilders
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Sorry, I'm thinking natty or juiced is hard work. Either way, it's not easy!


I got mad respect for anyone who trains to their fullest.

Just my 2 cents.
 
reno240 said:
First of all - How do you know?

Second, don't knock my meat shakes unless you try it... Want me to swing by and whip you up some of my meat shake?
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B/c I just know

I'll pass, I had e-coli once and am not interested in a second round ;-)
 
vixensghost said:
Sorry, I'm thinking natty or juiced is hard work. Either way, it's not easy!


I got mad respect for anyone who trains to their fullest.

Just my 2 cents.
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I have a ton of respect also for ppl who work hard at their bodies and ppl who are germ-a-phobes who can swallow a tire iron w/out gagging ;-)
 
blueta2 said:
I have a ton of respect also for ppl who work hard at their bodies and ppl who are germ-a-phobes who can swallow a tire iron w/out gagging ;-)
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Yeah - germ-a-phobic, flag pole swallowers are hot.
 
blueta2 said:
I have a ton of respect also for ppl who work hard at their bodies and ppl who are germ-a-phobes who can swallow a tire iron w/out gagging ;-)
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A tire iron? marry me.
 
reno240 said:
Isn't it possible to get all necessary vitamins and minerals without eating meat? I think it is - that guy just doesn't know what he is doing.
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Until I got sick, in my early 30s, I had been a lacto ovo vegetarian for 11 years and I was in the best shape of my life, really. It is possible to eat a healthful diet IF you're lacto-ovo. You have to supplement if you're vegan, B12 comes from animal sources.

Theoretically it's possible to lead a healthy life if you're a vegan IF(notice the BIG if) you're willing to:
1. Research.
2. Cook from scratch.
3. Plan your meals in advance.

I've met many, many, many people who brag on their vegetarianism/veganism and are sickly looking, unhealthy sons of bitches. If you spend a day with them, you realize, yes, theoretically I guess you are a vegan if subsist almost entirely on diet coke, potato chips, snickers bars and an occasional salad.

I've only met a very few vegans/vegetarians who are good physical specimens and are healthy. The ones who do are the ones who cook and usually tote their meals with them everywhere, just like bodybuilders.
 
blueta2 said:
I have a ton of respect also for ppl who work hard at their bodies and ppl who are germ-a-phobes who can swallow a tire iron w/out gagging ;-)
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LMAO.....You forgot to mention hottttt! I'm offended now. :heart:
 
musclemom said:
Until I got sick, in my early 30s, I had been a lacto ovo vegetarian for 11 years and I was in the best shape of my life, really. It is possible to eat a healthful diet IF you're lacto-ovo. You have to supplement if you're vegan, B12 comes from animal sources.

Theoretically it's possible to lead a healthy life if you're a vegan IF(notice the BIG if) you're willing to:
1. Research.
2. Cook from scratch.
3. Plan your meals in advance.

I've met many, many, many people who brag on their vegetarianism/veganism and are sickly looking, unhealthy sons of bitches. If you spend a day with them, you realize, yes, theoretically I guess you are a vegan if subsist almost entirely on diet coke, potato chips, snickers bars and an occasional salad.

I've only met a very few vegans/vegetarians who are good physical specimens and are healthy. The ones who do are the ones who cook and usually tote their meals with them everywhere, just like bodybuilders.
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I'm just saying supplements come from the source. Animals still die from making supplements just as they do to make a hamburger
 
vixensghost said:
LMAO.....You forgot to mention hottttt! I'm offended now. :heart:
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I would guess hot since u never graced me with your pics
<< tapping my fingers on my desk waiting for a pm from you >>>
 
blueta2 said:
Vegetarians face a challenge here because the most common source of protein is meat. Okay, so it’s not actually that much of a challenge. According to the Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score, soy is equal to whey and superior to beef in protein content. Soy provides all 8 essential amino acids required by your body for growing and repairing muscles. Vegetarians would be well-advised to consider soy as a primary protein source.

The really good news is that soy is also a fantastic source of glutamine which many bodybuilders already take in supplemental form. Soy is available in many different forms such as tofu, miso, soy powder and soy milk. Soy milk is definitely something to have on hand as it can be used to replace cow’s
milk in recipes, which will help expand your basic food options.
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That sentence highlighted is misleading. According to the PCDAAS soy is inferior to eggs, dairy and beef in protein quality even though soy contains all essential amino acids. The PCDAAS doesn't account for things that interfere with digestion, like tannins in soy.

PCDAAS of Selected Proteins

Protein PCDAAS
Whey Concentrate and Isolates 1.00
Whole Egg 1.00
Milk 1.00
Egg White 1.00
Cottage Cheese 1.00
Beef .92
Soy .91
Casein 1.00
Peanuts.52
Yogurt 68 ?
Oatmeal 58 .57
Wheat 54 .42

** adapted from:

FAO/WHO (1990) Report of a Joint FAO/WHO Expert Consultation on Protein Quality Evaluation, Food and Agruculture Organization of the United Nations, Rome;
Schaafsma, G. The Protein Digestibility-Corrected Amino Acid Score. J Nutr, 130: 1865S-1867S, 2000.
 
redguru said:
Sissy is too short.

Pasty, weak sickly sissy is more apropos.
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exactly.. and they bruise so easily too.. tap them on shoulder and they are bruised for a month
 
javaguru said:
That sentence highlighted is misleading. According to the PCDAAS soy is inferior to eggs, dairy and beef in protein quality even though soy contains all essential amino acids. The PCDAAS doesn't account for things that interfere with digestion, like tannins in soy.

PCDAAS of Selected Proteins

Protein PCDAAS
Whey Concentrate and Isolates 1.00
Whole Egg 1.00
Milk 1.00
Egg White 1.00
Cottage Cheese 1.00
Beef .92
Soy .91
Casein 1.00
Peanuts.52
Yogurt 68 ?
Oatmeal 58 .57
Wheat 54 .42

** adapted from:

FAO/WHO (1990) Report of a Joint FAO/WHO Expert Consultation on Protein Quality Evaluation, Food and Agruculture Organization of the United Nations, Rome;
Schaafsma, G. The Protein Digestibility-Corrected Amino Acid Score. J Nutr, 130: 1865S-1867S, 2000.
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I don't trust soy, I have no other way to put it. I think it's meant to be used as fuel for cars, not as food for humans.

It's undigestible if not fermented. I think the much touted hormonal benefits are bullshit (while I do belive in the use of plants to balance hormones I think you need to know what you're doing and why you're doing it), and finally, about 80% of the soy on the market, if conventional, is genetically modified. Specifically it's Ready Roundup Soy. The reason that it's named Ready Roundup is that the shit has been designed to withstand being doused in enough Roundup poison that would burn normal plants to a cinder.

That's just not right.
 
musclemom said:
I don't trust soy, I have no other way to put it. I think it's meant to be used as fuel for cars, not as food for humans.

It's undigestible if not fermented. I think the much touted hormonal benefits are bullshit (while I do belive in the use of plants to balance hormones I think you need to know what you're doing and why you're doing it), and finally, about 80% of the soy on the market, if conventional, is genetically modified. Specifically it's Ready Roundup Soy. The reason that it's named Ready Roundup is that the shit has been designed to withstand being doused in enough Roundup poison that would burn normal plants to a cinder.

That's just not right.
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are you an almond milk gal?!
Fermentation does cause one to be yeastie..that is true!
 
blueta2 said:
are you an almond milk gal?!
Fermentation does cause one to be yeastie..that is true!
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I use dairy, cottage cheese, some whey, but I don't wallow in the stuff. I don't drink a lot of milk, once in a while I'll get a taste for it and I'll have a glass or two, I use it in my coffee. I try to make sure that the milk products I use all come from cows that aren't treated with RbGh.

With my height/bone structure, never having taken hormonal birth control, having performed weight bearing exercise of one form or another since I was a kid and now occasionally supplementing with test I'm really not worried about my bones.
 
My ex-wife was vegan for a while and then went to lacto-ovo, she only added cheese and ice cream to her diet, otherwise she could have remained a vegan. She was a vegetarian for about four years when we met. Her diet was primarily soy milk, old fashioned oats, refried beans, tortilla chips and ice cream (chunky monkey). :)

Shelagh_BFL_01.jpg
 
musclemom said:
I use dairy, cottage cheese, some whey, but I don't wallow in the stuff. I don't drink a lot of milk, once in a while I'll get a taste for it and I'll have a glass or two, I use it in my coffee. I try to make sure that the milk products I use all come from cows that aren't treated with RbGh.

With my height/bone structure, never having taken hormonal birth control, having performed weight bearing exercise of one form or another since I was a kid and now occasionally supplementing with test I'm really not worried about my bones.
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I dabble in some dairy. My weakness is yogurt, but when I eat it, I usually get a very sore stomach. But I do eat cheese once and a while. No other dairy for me.

You strong like bull ;-)
 
javaguru said:
My ex-wife was vegan for a while and then went to lacto-ovo, she only added cheese and ice cream to her diet, otherwise she could have remained a vegan. She was a vegetarian for about four years when we met. Her diet was primarily soy milk, old fashioned oats, refried beans, tortilla chips and ice cream (chunky monkey). :)

Shelagh_BFL_01.jpg
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Well, you see my first mistake was choosing my parents, it all went downhill from there.

But youth (and by youth I mean anyone under 35) lets you get away with a lot. Particuarly as a woman, you start paying a price for an inferior diet as you get closer to the "Big M."
 
the_clockwork said:
What's the "big m"??

menopause?
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Yes.

Although the male version, andropause, is finally starting to gain more recognition, it's still not as drastic/dramatic as what happens to a woman.
 
the_clockwork said:
lololol I go through no stages unless on clomid :)
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Like I said, anyone under 35 falls under the category of "youth" in my opinion.

... but if you're lucky, you'll get old someday, too :qt:
 
to long to read but I have trouble eating the veggies I need to now...and surely couldn't live without my meat..lol
 
javaguru said:
You're on like 200mg-300mg test year round?
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not year round.. my friend does that shit but I don't.. i think it's not so wise
 
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