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I injected 2 mcg of IL-15 today!
- Thread starter Zeacky
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Did I just experience deja vu?
Well, it's been more than 24 hours and I shit my pants at the results literally!!!!!
Last night I was feeling my arm in bed and my triceps were a little larger than before, kind of I was on fina but it was not as hard.
Today after classes I did squats and benches.
Last time I did them was last monday.
My bench is up 40lbs in the 4 rep max and my 20 rep squat only 35lbs. I think it might be the placebo effect because I was more intense than I normally would be. I was yelling at my last rep and the neigbors could have heard me easily.
Do you guys think 40lbs in one week is placebo?
Well no sides untill I was in class and low and behold I need to shit, but I could hold it, it was not explosive. So I sit down on the pot and I start peeing out of my ass, water diarria with no solids, it was just yellow. I had that 8 times in one day, yep eight times!!!!! I was not sick at all I felt good the whole day, no bloating nothing, just the shit piss. I finally started taking Imodium AD after the 6th time, 4 chewies, 7th, 2 chewies, 8th, 4 more. For a total of ten Imodium AD chewables. It's been a couple hours since I had to go.
I just mesured my arm and I'm 1 inches larger than yesturday with no pump, let me remind you my arm is slightly pumped because I just benched a couple of hours ago.
Well, lets see what tommarow will bring, my tris are more pronounced in the mirror and by the touch than before.
Well signing off... That's all folks!
Oh yeah..... I injected 2 mcg in my glute with a 1cc syringe, 25g 1 1/2 inch needle with no pain what so ever, if felt great!
It's possible that this all could be a placebo effect except for the 40 lbs increase on my bench.
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[This message has been edited by Zeacky (edited October 23, 2000).]
Last night I was feeling my arm in bed and my triceps were a little larger than before, kind of I was on fina but it was not as hard.
Today after classes I did squats and benches.
Last time I did them was last monday.
My bench is up 40lbs in the 4 rep max and my 20 rep squat only 35lbs. I think it might be the placebo effect because I was more intense than I normally would be. I was yelling at my last rep and the neigbors could have heard me easily.
Do you guys think 40lbs in one week is placebo?
Well no sides untill I was in class and low and behold I need to shit, but I could hold it, it was not explosive. So I sit down on the pot and I start peeing out of my ass, water diarria with no solids, it was just yellow. I had that 8 times in one day, yep eight times!!!!! I was not sick at all I felt good the whole day, no bloating nothing, just the shit piss. I finally started taking Imodium AD after the 6th time, 4 chewies, 7th, 2 chewies, 8th, 4 more. For a total of ten Imodium AD chewables. It's been a couple hours since I had to go.
I just mesured my arm and I'm 1 inches larger than yesturday with no pump, let me remind you my arm is slightly pumped because I just benched a couple of hours ago.
Well, lets see what tommarow will bring, my tris are more pronounced in the mirror and by the touch than before.
Well signing off... That's all folks!
Oh yeah..... I injected 2 mcg in my glute with a 1cc syringe, 25g 1 1/2 inch needle with no pain what so ever, if felt great!
It's possible that this all could be a placebo effect except for the 40 lbs increase on my bench.
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[This message has been edited by Zeacky (edited October 23, 2000).]
Now this is very strange, i'm thinking that the majority of this is the placebo affect, but i could be wrong, most of the research i've done into il-15 is that it prevents the apoptosis of cells, thus preventing you muscle cells from running thier natural course of life, i dont' know if the results could be seen in such short time, but you've certainly peaked my interest and i'll do more research, i've got a few more studies to read.
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A little something on il-15
Here, we show that distinct apoptosis pathways in activated human T and B cells in vitro are inhibited by IL-15 in a protein synthesis-dependent manner. In thymus, spleen and liver, anti-Fas-induced lethal multi-system apoptosis in mice is suppressed by IL-15-IgG2b fusion protein. Only IL-15, but not IL-2, protected from lethal hepatic failure, resulting in the survival of all IL-15-fusion protein-treated mice. Thus, IL-15 is a potent, general inhibitor of apoptosis with intriguing therapeutic potential.
Here, we show that distinct apoptosis pathways in activated human T and B cells in vitro are inhibited by IL-15 in a protein synthesis-dependent manner. In thymus, spleen and liver, anti-Fas-induced lethal multi-system apoptosis in mice is suppressed by IL-15-IgG2b fusion protein. Only IL-15, but not IL-2, protected from lethal hepatic failure, resulting in the survival of all IL-15-fusion protein-treated mice. Thus, IL-15 is a potent, general inhibitor of apoptosis with intriguing therapeutic potential.
apoptosis: cell destruction
So... IL-15 reprograms your body genetacally to inhibit apoptosis which is why it is effective in combating cancer?
So my muscles should not break down as easily, as they would if I had not taken the human rIL-15?
Isn't that required for muscle growth?
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So... IL-15 reprograms your body genetacally to inhibit apoptosis which is why it is effective in combating cancer?
So my muscles should not break down as easily, as they would if I had not taken the human rIL-15?
Isn't that required for muscle growth?
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I don't pay bro, i head off the NRC (national research council) i have full access to CISTI (Canadian Institute for Scientific and Technical Information) thanks to my degrees and a few other things.
So i get all the journals and reports for free. They just have to bring them in sometimes from around Canada.
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So i get all the journals and reports for free. They just have to bring them in sometimes from around Canada.
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OK!!..now my interest is really sparked.
Now given your results could easilly be placebo but that in itself would be pretty amazing.
Now, just pretending I had access to this stuff, and I got a good 10mcg, and taking into consideration the mice were given injections every day, then would eod be a plausable schedule rate for injections? Say 2mcg at a time?
Now of course I have to wait and see if you kick the bucket or shit yourself to death there Zeacky..heh..heh..heh...before I touch it, and I still have a ton to study on it, but it may not be far off in my future.
Interesting,
WCP
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Now given your results could easilly be placebo but that in itself would be pretty amazing.
Now, just pretending I had access to this stuff, and I got a good 10mcg, and taking into consideration the mice were given injections every day, then would eod be a plausable schedule rate for injections? Say 2mcg at a time?
Now of course I have to wait and see if you kick the bucket or shit yourself to death there Zeacky..heh..heh..heh...before I touch it, and I still have a ton to study on it, but it may not be far off in my future.
Interesting,
WCP
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driven by testosterone
adrenaline and pheromone
crowning glory of creation
super-human incarnation
Zeacky,
Great info bro.
I'm thinking it's mostly placebo - my bench went up like 35 pounds the first time I ever used AS, (the day I injected) and obviously the gear had not taken effect in a few hours.
Wouldn't inhibiting cell death be problematic over time? (I'm not a biologist so help m here).
Also it seems obvious to mention this, biut could there be another explanation for the shits?
keep the info coming. Great stuff.
Matt
Great info bro.
I'm thinking it's mostly placebo - my bench went up like 35 pounds the first time I ever used AS, (the day I injected) and obviously the gear had not taken effect in a few hours.
Wouldn't inhibiting cell death be problematic over time? (I'm not a biologist so help m here).
Also it seems obvious to mention this, biut could there be another explanation for the shits?
keep the info coming. Great stuff.
Matt
Well it might have been food poisoning from the chicken I had after I injected, except for the fact that I felt great all day except for the runs, no bloating, no cramp, no nausea; nothing commonly associated with food poisoning.
Yeah the strength was defenatly placebo because I was much more intense than normal, I never yell while lifting (In happiness that is... heh heh).
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Yeah the strength was defenatly placebo because I was much more intense than normal, I never yell while lifting (In happiness that is... heh heh).
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T
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YES!!!!
By all means keep the board up to date on this...I have been very interested in this for awhile myself....Ummmmmmmm....can ya smell it!!!!!
Ranger
By all means keep the board up to date on this...I have been very interested in this for awhile myself....Ummmmmmmm....can ya smell it!!!!!
Ranger
*Just for knowledge sake...
IL-2 MAY HELP AIDS PATIENTS
Interleukin-2, or IL-2, an immune system protein, has been shown to
increase the number of immune CD4 T cells in many people with HIV
infection. Studies conducted before the era of potent antiretroviral
therapy had suggested IL-2 was less effective in patients with very low
levels of these cells, which HIV destroys. Now the AIDS Clinical Trials
Group reports that IL-2 can increase the levels of these important
disease-fighters in these patients if other drugs have already reduced
the level of HIV in the blood. The study is the largest randomized
study of IL-2 completed in advanced HIV patients to date, said lead
investigator Dr. Ronald Mitsuyasu of the University of California, Los
Angeles. The results were presented at the 5th International Congress
on Drug Therapy in HIV Infection in Glasgow, Scotland.
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By LIDIA WASOWICZ
UPI Science Writer
Copyright 2000 by United Press International.
All Rights Reserved
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IL-2 MAY HELP AIDS PATIENTS
Interleukin-2, or IL-2, an immune system protein, has been shown to
increase the number of immune CD4 T cells in many people with HIV
infection. Studies conducted before the era of potent antiretroviral
therapy had suggested IL-2 was less effective in patients with very low
levels of these cells, which HIV destroys. Now the AIDS Clinical Trials
Group reports that IL-2 can increase the levels of these important
disease-fighters in these patients if other drugs have already reduced
the level of HIV in the blood. The study is the largest randomized
study of IL-2 completed in advanced HIV patients to date, said lead
investigator Dr. Ronald Mitsuyasu of the University of California, Los
Angeles. The results were presented at the 5th International Congress
on Drug Therapy in HIV Infection in Glasgow, Scotland.
--
By LIDIA WASOWICZ
UPI Science Writer
Copyright 2000 by United Press International.
All Rights Reserved
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GIG 'EM, Badkins21
[email protected]
http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/badkins
"Get BIG, or get the f*ck out," "Smoke it 'til your fingers burn," "The world IS mine!!"
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