I hate you Tren Freaks!!!

[Golfer18--old]

I got 15 pounds out of a winny/anavar stack. I kept every pound of it.

 

[sicklydiesel]

I personally dont think fina is that muc beyond the realm of a first cycle. If someone is educated and has friends to help giude then go for it. Post cycle crash is hard but I found the crash after a tren/winny cycle with clomid only to be much more severe than a cycle of test/eq/tren with anastrozole used from start till end of clomid therapy. Clomid will block ER recptors, but cant block them all. Ana will reduce what conversion there is so together they both work synergistically to speed recovery. In the case of tren only I prolly would not use ana during the cycle but would start it the day after last injection and run it till I was done with clomid.

Zyg, when i continue to take my Ana post cycle with clomid, should i keep at the same dose i did throughout the cycle or should i increase or decrease?...i was on a test only cycle at 1000mg /week. Oh and i been taking 0.5mg of arimidex

 

[spookaroo2001]

I've been doing tren/masteron/winny in 2 week on 2 week off cycles. The first 2 weeks on the TA/DA were at 75mgs ea eod. I was getting some strenth gains but not much so added in the winny at 50mgs ed. at the end of the 1st 2 week period. My calories were kept relatively low (cutting) I gained 4 lbs and lost a few % bf.. The second 2 week period I started with TA/DA 37.5 mgs ea ed. and winny at 50mgs ed. I am into this for 4 days now. So far strength is really going back up and weight is starting to add on. Still keeping calories low. My point is by doing this I didnt have much suppression issues. A few days of clomid with a front load was all it took. No real noticeable crash either, although anytime I am off cycle I feel like I am weak and skinny hahaha. So anyway maybe your friend might want to try something like this, maybe not as significant gains but certainly not as significant losses either...

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

"this is probably not a good idea because he is likely to CRASH hard post cycle because of the powerful nature of the roid and its very short half life."


I disagree strongly with this. if proper ancillary drugs are used when coming off, a short half-life drug is preferable, as the quick clearance will let you get about the business of recovering natural test production. Alot of guys I know who prefer long lasting self-tapering drugs are from the old school before clomid use became common...in that instance yes, a mild long lasting steroid might cause less a crash.

yes fina is very androgenic, and it will shut down your nuts FAST. I did a 2 week "finasol" (tren mixed with androsol) cycle as my first cycle, and did not use clomid when I went off (since I stupidly bought into the bill roberts 2 weeks does not suppress the hpta and tribex works as well as clomid bullshit.) recovering from that was not fun. Later I ran some "real" cycles with tren and came off with clomid, armidex (by suppressing estrogen post-cycle you will negate negative feedback to the hpta...this is true even if you were running a non-aromatizing steroid, as post-cycle there is an estrogen rebound regardless(which is why some guys get gyno AFTER a winstrol cycle)).

tren is fine for your friend as long as he is willing to take the daily shots and comes off correctly. there has been alot written here on how to come off gear. if you want i can give you the links to those threads later when I have a chance.

 

[Quadsweep]

"this is probably not a good idea because he is likely to CRASH hard post cycle because of the powerful nature of the roid and its very short half life."


I disagree strongly with this. if proper ancillary drugs are used when coming off, a short half-life drug is preferable, as the quick clearance will let you get about the business of recovering natural test production. Alot of guys I know who prefer long lasting self-tapering drugs are from the old school before clomid use became common...in that instance yes, a mild long lasting steroid might cause less a crash.

yes fina is very androgenic, and it will shut down your nuts FAST. I did a 2 week "finasol" (tren mixed with androsol) cycle as my first cycle, and did not use clomid when I went off (since I stupidly bought into the bill roberts 2 weeks does not suppress the hpta and tribex works as well as clomid bullshit.) recovering from that was not fun. Later I ran some "real" cycles with tren and came off with clomid, armidex (by suppressing estrogen post-cycle you will negate negative feedback to the hpta...this is true even if you were running a non-aromatizing steroid, as post-cycle there is an estrogen rebound regardless(which is why some guys get gyno AFTER a winstrol cycle)).

tren is fine for your friend as long as he is willing to take the daily shots and comes off correctly. there has been alot written here on how to come off gear. if you want i can give you the links to those threads later when I have a chance.

You are right about me being old school. We did not use clomid back then. I do now of course. I don't use much anti-e's as I do not have much trouble with aromatization. The big reason I said to stay away first time (I think tren is fine a few cycles down the line) is it is mean, you have to do frequent injections which suck bad first time out, and if he is in the cattel biz he can get whatever he wants. Just my thoughts.

Peace

 

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