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I can't stand this bullshit anymore!
- Thread starter Quadsweep
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Citruscide Most guys need 1000mg or more to see any significant/sustained growth. There are those that are genetically gifted who will grow just looking at a syringe of test but that is not the norm.
I can't help notice that none of the other vets have even bothered to post to this thread. The idea of using 200mg of test/deca for a cycle is so ridiculous that I am guessing they aren't wasting their time. I thought if I jumped on to tell you that your wrong some of the other might follow suit. Guess not.
To be honest I probably woundn't have posted to this either. I'm not sure why I did.
I can't help notice that none of the other vets have even bothered to post to this thread. The idea of using 200mg of test/deca for a cycle is so ridiculous that I am guessing they aren't wasting their time. I thought if I jumped on to tell you that your wrong some of the other might follow suit. Guess not.
To be honest I probably woundn't have posted to this either. I'm not sure why I did.
ulter said:
Hey bro, I just want to say I know this is a low dose and I use much, much higher doses now after nine years of use. but my point is you can not know what your response is untill you try it. If you go gonzo first time out you never would know. I am not a freak but I gained 27# off 250mg of sust a week for 8 weeks and from what I have read I am not alone. I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree which is cool.
Peace
So where would guy with 2 yrs. of use under his belt be at as for as types and amounts. As of yesturday i was 5'8", 235 @ 11%. I competed for the first time in a NQ mar 2001 as a lt. hvy. wt. (188 lbs at weigh-in). Took 3rd out of 11 guys so I was happy. Since then I been training with the intent of wanting to eventually compete as a legitimate hvy wt. Everything I've used as been slowly increased with time over the last two years. Would just like to get some input from the competitors as to where a guy with my stats should be as far as types of gear and amounts. Thread replies or PM's would be greatly aprreciated. And yes I'm new to the boards so I have no problem shutting up and just listening to what everyone has to say.
1st 8 week cycle ever:jan 2000
200mgs decca/week
250 mgs sust/ week
2nd cycle:
200 mgs of EQ/week
150 mgs? Winny/week
used all they typical stuff but in small amounts because I wasn't even really lifting much but lots of mixed martial arts training. My roomate had tons of gear left over from his bodybuliding days but crossed over to fighting. would give me gear in exchange for rent. Now I've crossed over to BB and I'm taking it seriously.
Anything I've used I've slowly increased with each use. as far as test the most i've recently used is 1000 mgs/week. this has been built up over the last two years from 250/week and upwards. the worst sides I've ever had from any use is some pimples and a little tenderness in the nipples. I don't waqnt to keep rambling but if I need to be more specific about anything let me know. I still consider myself a newbie
200mgs decca/week
250 mgs sust/ week
2nd cycle:
200 mgs of EQ/week
150 mgs? Winny/week
used all they typical stuff but in small amounts because I wasn't even really lifting much but lots of mixed martial arts training. My roomate had tons of gear left over from his bodybuliding days but crossed over to fighting. would give me gear in exchange for rent. Now I've crossed over to BB and I'm taking it seriously.
Anything I've used I've slowly increased with each use. as far as test the most i've recently used is 1000 mgs/week. this has been built up over the last two years from 250/week and upwards. the worst sides I've ever had from any use is some pimples and a little tenderness in the nipples. I don't waqnt to keep rambling but if I need to be more specific about anything let me know. I still consider myself a newbie
J
Juice Authority
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Bump...we have to bring this one back to life.
big pumper
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ulter makes many good points also.
Damn good post Quad....Here is my personal history.. 6'0 , high metabolism, hard gainer. Graduated high school in '90 weighing 110lbs at 6'0... off to college and started hitting the weights.. after 4 1/2 years, got to 155 lbs, so roughly 10 lbs / year i gained.
continued working out for another 4 yrs.
98 and 26 yrs old, decide to do my 1st cycle , Sus at 250/wk for 6 wks. Thats all i had.. Went from 170 to 186 lbs. kept half the weight i gained.
May 2002 decided to do my 2nd cycle.. 10 redijects split over 8wks,start 250 and tapered up to 375 for a few weeks, then back down to 250/wk... at the time at 175 lb to 192lbs. Heaviest ever in my life...
May 2003, did a tt Eq cycle with one 10 cc bottle for 7 wks, 300/wk and went from 183 lbs to 189 lbs.. Now, sitting at 188 lbs.
Happy with my results each time.. Couldve done higher dosages, but didn't know how much it would affect me post cycle...Only regret is the jawline cycstic acne after each cycle...
I got flamed on here for being a newbie for the short and low dose cycles on here, but worked for me due to strict diet, motivation, and training... 9 wks since i finished my eq cycle, i still chart everything i eat based on cal/protein content.. Very bland diet, but works for me this summer.
continued working out for another 4 yrs.
98 and 26 yrs old, decide to do my 1st cycle , Sus at 250/wk for 6 wks. Thats all i had.. Went from 170 to 186 lbs. kept half the weight i gained.
May 2002 decided to do my 2nd cycle.. 10 redijects split over 8wks,start 250 and tapered up to 375 for a few weeks, then back down to 250/wk... at the time at 175 lb to 192lbs. Heaviest ever in my life...
May 2003, did a tt Eq cycle with one 10 cc bottle for 7 wks, 300/wk and went from 183 lbs to 189 lbs.. Now, sitting at 188 lbs.
Happy with my results each time.. Couldve done higher dosages, but didn't know how much it would affect me post cycle...Only regret is the jawline cycstic acne after each cycle...
I got flamed on here for being a newbie for the short and low dose cycles on here, but worked for me due to strict diet, motivation, and training... 9 wks since i finished my eq cycle, i still chart everything i eat based on cal/protein content.. Very bland diet, but works for me this summer.
gtrcivic said:
Thank you! Sounds to me like you are on the right track here. I did not go over 500mg for 5 years! I can not believe this post came back. I attached the link to make a point on another thread but going back and reading it made me realize how good of a post it was...probably my best...Probably why I am now a Mod. Anyway...you are on the right track bro, any questions PM me.
Quad
J
Juice Authority
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Quadsweep said:
I brought this back mainly because you made some excellent points that recently need to be readdressed. Thanks...
J
Johnny Cut
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STICKY for a few days at least,....until the kids go to camp 
I think genetics plays a major role. Why is it that a lot of people will say go with low dosages while many others will say go with higher ones? Genetics, IMO.
One thing I have changed my mind about is the first cycle. I used to think that it should be a big one so you can take advantage of your "virgin receptors," but now I think it's better to start off low since it might just work for you.
My first cycle of 200mg/week of deca was somewhat of a waste for me, but so was any higher dosed cycle. Around 500-700mg total is a good dose for me IMO, that is if I cycle again sometime.
-sk
One thing I have changed my mind about is the first cycle. I used to think that it should be a big one so you can take advantage of your "virgin receptors," but now I think it's better to start off low since it might just work for you.
My first cycle of 200mg/week of deca was somewhat of a waste for me, but so was any higher dosed cycle. Around 500-700mg total is a good dose for me IMO, that is if I cycle again sometime.
-sk
D
DepressiveJuice
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sk* said:
youre not going to cycle anymore? truly the words of a madman
Quadsweep said:I was going to just let this go but I can't in good conscience. If I read one more asinine post from a more than likely punk ass bitch about how these incredibly high dose cycles are the way to go I will freak out! I do not for a minute believe half these people use these doses and I also do not believe their stats. I have been using gear for nine years. I am nationally ranked and will be in the USA in July as a heavy weight and I am only 5'7" tall so I am pretty fucking thick (If you doubt it get a platinum membership and look at my pics) and I do not use half the gear you dumbasses are telling these kids to use on their first cycle. (you know who you are) What kind of a moron are you guys and what have you accomplished with you supposed use (abuse) of gear? Half of you probably are water logged fat assed pieces of shit that walk around in the winter in a tank top showing of your acne infested backs. Do you realize you could be endangering a persons life? This is not a game, They are very potent hormones! The first cycle should always be conservative. A person has NO idea how they will react to these drugs (did you all forget these were drugs) I knew a guy who did 500mg a week of sust and blew up with so much water he developed a slight case of pulmonary edema. You tell people to use 1000mg or more their first time out! Remember you are not doctors, Hell I can't believe half of you can type. Newbies do not need that much gear. It is like the first time you took Tylenol. One or two work great. If you are a newbie and you are reading this take my advice and take it slow. It will save your health and you pocket book. If you are one of the dumbasses I am speaking of, quit giving ignorant advice to make yourself sound hard core. High dosages don't make you a badass, Good genes, proper nutrition, Hard as fuck training and using gear as a tool to make it all work is what makes you a badass and also an intelligent person with some sense. If anyone is offended because they are one of the people I am speaking of....Go to the USA in July, I will be there.....Ready to throw down!
Ditto, you couldnt have said it better. I hate it when newbies get told to take a freaking gram on their first cycle. Its plain ridiculous.
Actually, i can see Ulters side also, there are people out there who probably need more than others. Its all genetics. I too gained over 20lbs using sust 250 a week my first time. I dont think newbies should ever go over 500 for there first time. I think 200 test and 200 eq is the perfect newbie cycle. Every persons body chemistry is different. That is why some people can take ephedra daily with no problems, and others can take one pill and have a heart attack. Everything is different for everybody, everywhere in the world. I should be a philosopher. Bam
bigp3
New member
lol,,,, I am 260 lbs and have never been over 750 mg a week of test,,,,, my first cycle was 200 mg of deca a week for 10 weeks and that put decent size on me. Too many people use gear to compensate for their lack of training and nutritional knowledge. I say use only what is needed to grow.
Swolenpecs
New member
There is a post right now about a guy asking about 1k mg of test a week first cycle. I would totally have to agree, dont substitute more gear for less work in the gym. I dont hit the gym near hard enough and i pull great gains, with small dosages. These huge dosages are why people have such negative thoughts about steroids. Lets help these beginners (including me) start off at an easy pace, i hate seeing these Headlines of young athletes dying from gear.
Hey bro, admittedly I haven't read the whole thread but I will say this.
Your post that started this thread seems to imply that you are stating facts. You are not stating facts, you are stating opinions.
I recognize that sometimes people advise first cycles to be heavier than they should be, but I perceive that just as often they advise cycles to be lighter than they should be. That's my opinion.
I agree that people should start relatively low (e.g. 500 mgs. of test per week with anti estrogens on hand, or just taken as a matter of course even before any sign of trouble) at first to see how they react. But IMO it is silly to advise someone to start with 250 mgs. per week of test.
Also, I think it is easy for individuals like you, who obviously respond very well to relatively lower doses, to assume that others will as well.
Personally, I don't respond to higher doses and use more gear than people much bigger than me. I suppose that if I did respond better I'd be much bigger than 6'0", 200 lbs., at about 8-9%. But that's the cards I've been dealt.
BTW I started with 250 mgs. of sustenon per week (I actually shot with the 18 gauge cannons that come with the preloads, lol). I wish I had know better.
All I'm saying is that this is at least to some extent a matter of opinion.
BTW, I always enjoy a good rant, sometimes I even enjoy them when I disagree. Its pretty entertaining when somebody melts down.
Respect and out.
Your post that started this thread seems to imply that you are stating facts. You are not stating facts, you are stating opinions.
I recognize that sometimes people advise first cycles to be heavier than they should be, but I perceive that just as often they advise cycles to be lighter than they should be. That's my opinion.
I agree that people should start relatively low (e.g. 500 mgs. of test per week with anti estrogens on hand, or just taken as a matter of course even before any sign of trouble) at first to see how they react. But IMO it is silly to advise someone to start with 250 mgs. per week of test.
Also, I think it is easy for individuals like you, who obviously respond very well to relatively lower doses, to assume that others will as well.
Personally, I don't respond to higher doses and use more gear than people much bigger than me. I suppose that if I did respond better I'd be much bigger than 6'0", 200 lbs., at about 8-9%. But that's the cards I've been dealt.
BTW I started with 250 mgs. of sustenon per week (I actually shot with the 18 gauge cannons that come with the preloads, lol). I wish I had know better.
All I'm saying is that this is at least to some extent a matter of opinion.
BTW, I always enjoy a good rant, sometimes I even enjoy them when I disagree. Its pretty entertaining when somebody melts down.
Respect and out.
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Ercole
New member
Amen!
Yea, Quadsweep, for giving the message that cannot be repeated too often.
There are a lot of youngsters on these boards who are at the age where they think it's cool to drink ten beers, pass out and vomit all over the interior of their Dad's car.
Taking the same idiotic "more is better" approach to gear can cause serious side effects that these ignorant kids don't know or care about. Most teenage boys don't even realize doing gear or GH at their age is likely to mean they WILL ALWAYS STAY 5'7", for the rest of their lives. Nice work, boys!
Wake up, children! Listen to Uncle Quadsweep!
I never touched gear until I was over 25, and have always used conservative doses. Now I'm over 40 and my avatar will show you how I look. That's the result of using SMALL doses.
Besides the serious damage mega-doses can do to your physical and mental health, Quadsweep's right that these Big Dose Boys nearly always look like SHIT ... big bloated blobs of fat and flesh covered with oozing boils and zits, with big disgusting guts hanging over their lifting belts.
Who has EVER thought this was a cool way to look? Liked the say, the most important bodypart in training is your BRAIN. Use it, guys, use it!
Yea, Quadsweep, for giving the message that cannot be repeated too often.
There are a lot of youngsters on these boards who are at the age where they think it's cool to drink ten beers, pass out and vomit all over the interior of their Dad's car.
Taking the same idiotic "more is better" approach to gear can cause serious side effects that these ignorant kids don't know or care about. Most teenage boys don't even realize doing gear or GH at their age is likely to mean they WILL ALWAYS STAY 5'7", for the rest of their lives. Nice work, boys!
Wake up, children! Listen to Uncle Quadsweep!
I never touched gear until I was over 25, and have always used conservative doses. Now I'm over 40 and my avatar will show you how I look. That's the result of using SMALL doses.
Besides the serious damage mega-doses can do to your physical and mental health, Quadsweep's right that these Big Dose Boys nearly always look like SHIT ... big bloated blobs of fat and flesh covered with oozing boils and zits, with big disgusting guts hanging over their lifting belts.
Who has EVER thought this was a cool way to look? Liked the say, the most important bodypart in training is your BRAIN. Use it, guys, use it!
Ercole I beg to differ. Your statement that we "big dose boys" ALWAYS look fat, covered with zits, blah, blah, blah is more wrong than it is right.
I'm one of the big dose boys and I'm none of the things you described.
When dealing with gear, you can almost never state absolute causes and effects. You can't say that "too much" gear is going to lead to all these horrible things any more than you can say x amount of gear is going to lead to x amount of gains.
Its too individual.
I recognize and respect the need for this thread but there are two sides to this story.
I'm one of the big dose boys and I'm none of the things you described.
When dealing with gear, you can almost never state absolute causes and effects. You can't say that "too much" gear is going to lead to all these horrible things any more than you can say x amount of gear is going to lead to x amount of gains.
Its too individual.
I recognize and respect the need for this thread but there are two sides to this story.
boss
New member
now quad please dont take this personally cause it isnt meant like the way i am going to say it......i agree with you 100% ....BUT...a thread like this is what people are getting banned for. flaming people and telling them your ready to throw down doesnt tell them anything but to be an ass if they dont agree. i have nothing but respect for you with what you have done to be where you are today but as far as boards go i dont agree. i think it could have been put a different way to get the point across.........again it's kinda off the wall to talk like that and for a MOD to say it. just my 2 cents and nothing personal.Quadsweep said:I was going to just let this go but I can't in good conscience. If I read one more asinine post from a more than likely punk ass bitch about how these incredibly high dose cycles are the way to go I will freak out! I do not for a minute believe half these people use these doses and I also do not believe their stats. I have been using gear for nine years. I am nationally ranked and will be in the USA in July as a heavy weight and I am only 5'7" tall so I am pretty fucking thick (If you doubt it get a platinum membership and look at my pics) and I do not use half the gear you dumbasses are telling these kids to use on their first cycle. (you know who you are) What kind of a moron are you guys and what have you accomplished with you supposed use (abuse) of gear? Half of you probably are water logged fat assed pieces of shit that walk around in the winter in a tank top showing of your acne infested backs. Do you realize you could be endangering a persons life? This is not a game, They are very potent hormones! The first cycle should always be conservative. A person has NO idea how they will react to these drugs (did you all forget these were drugs) I knew a guy who did 500mg a week of sust and blew up with so much water he developed a slight case of pulmonary edema. You tell people to use 1000mg or more their first time out! Remember you are not doctors, Hell I can't believe half of you can type. Newbies do not need that much gear. It is like the first time you took Tylenol. One or two work great. If you are a newbie and you are reading this take my advice and take it slow. It will save your health and you pocket book. If you are one of the dumbasses I am speaking of, quit giving ignorant advice to make yourself sound hard core. High dosages don't make you a badass, Good genes, proper nutrition, Hard as fuck training and using gear as a tool to make it all work is what makes you a badass and also an intelligent person with some sense. If anyone is offended because they are one of the people I am speaking of....Go to the USA in July, I will be there.....Ready to throw down!
Re: Re: I can't stand this bullshit anymore!
Actually I was not a Mod when I wrote that. it was a long time ago. As a Mod I would not have put it in that way at all. I would still be agressive but with more candor. I appreciate your input...dick...Just kidding!
Quad
boss said:
Actually I was not a Mod when I wrote that. it was a long time ago. As a Mod I would not have put it in that way at all. I would still be agressive but with more candor. I appreciate your input...dick...Just kidding!
Quad
I think this is a great post bc it is a waste for newbies to use so much gear. Im on my 3rd cycle and although during my 1st 2 I wasnt as educated as I am now but I saw great results on low doses. Now Im using 75 mg tren eod and 100 mg prop eod and this by far the most gear Ive run.
Ercole
New member
Trevdog, I totally agree that individuals differ, but I think what we're talking about here is young guys thinking about their first cycle. Someone posted "recommending 250 mg of test/ week" to a newcomer was ridiculous. I would say if a newcomer doesn't respond well to that dose he should forget bodybuilding and take up basketball or something. Clearly he doesn't have the genetics for the sport.
It is insane to suggest higher doses to someone who hasn't even tried low doses yet. The rule should always be AS LITTLE GEAR AS POSSIBLE to keep on gaining. Anything else is simply nuts.
The "more is better" approach is leading thousands of skinny 18 year olds to gobble toxic Anadrols like candy. This kind of madness will lead to illnesses and some deaths and provoke harder state and federal crack-downs on gear.
Overusing gear leads to problems and problems lead to law enforcement throwing all of us in jail. Not what I want to see.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Trevdog
Ercole I beg to differ. Your statement that we "big dose boys" ALWAYS look fat, covered with zits, blah, blah, blah is more wrong than it is right.
I'm one of the big dose boys and I'm none of the things you described.
When dealing with gear, you can almost never state absolute causes and effects. You can't say that "too much" gear is going to lead to all these horrible things any more than you can say x amount of gear is going to lead to x amount of gains.
Its too individual.
I recognize and respect the need for this thread but there are two sides to this story. [/QUOTE]
It is insane to suggest higher doses to someone who hasn't even tried low doses yet. The rule should always be AS LITTLE GEAR AS POSSIBLE to keep on gaining. Anything else is simply nuts.
The "more is better" approach is leading thousands of skinny 18 year olds to gobble toxic Anadrols like candy. This kind of madness will lead to illnesses and some deaths and provoke harder state and federal crack-downs on gear.
Overusing gear leads to problems and problems lead to law enforcement throwing all of us in jail. Not what I want to see.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Trevdog
Ercole I beg to differ. Your statement that we "big dose boys" ALWAYS look fat, covered with zits, blah, blah, blah is more wrong than it is right.
I'm one of the big dose boys and I'm none of the things you described.
When dealing with gear, you can almost never state absolute causes and effects. You can't say that "too much" gear is going to lead to all these horrible things any more than you can say x amount of gear is going to lead to x amount of gains.
Its too individual.
I recognize and respect the need for this thread but there are two sides to this story. [/QUOTE]
babbabuee
New member
Great post, and I will read the whole thing later, but for now I'd appreciate some feedback on my proposed 2nd cycle.
I'm 32 5'8 170lbs, been lifting for a while, more serioulsy the past year or two.
first cycle was:
sust 500mg wks 1-10
dbol 25mg wks 1-4
I was planning on doing the following for my next cycle:
Test Enan 500/wk
EQ 400/wk
both for 10-12 weeks.
I posted this cycle before to see what guys thought and most of the replies I got told me that would be just fine.
What do you guys think?
I'll kick down some karma if I have any left to give for some insightful answers.
I'm 32 5'8 170lbs, been lifting for a while, more serioulsy the past year or two.
first cycle was:
sust 500mg wks 1-10
dbol 25mg wks 1-4
I was planning on doing the following for my next cycle:
Test Enan 500/wk
EQ 400/wk
both for 10-12 weeks.
I posted this cycle before to see what guys thought and most of the replies I got told me that would be just fine.
What do you guys think?
I'll kick down some karma if I have any left to give for some insightful answers.
boss
New member
Re: Re: Re: I can't stand this bullshit anymore!
holy shit i do remember that thread now!!! ok i still agree with you.........Quadsweep said:
Actually I was not a Mod when I wrote that. it was a long time ago. As a Mod I would not have put it in that way at all. I would still be agressive but with more candor. I appreciate your input...dick...Just kidding!
Quad
"High dosages don't make you a badass, Good genes, proper nutrition, Hard as fuck training and using gear as a tool to make it all work is what makes you a badass and also an intelligent person with some sense"
Well said........
I think these guys that abuse Juice think the they can just drink protien shakes and Read M&F and they will grow like a weed.............LOL
Well said........
I think these guys that abuse Juice think the they can just drink protien shakes and Read M&F and they will grow like a weed.............LOL
brandbe@rd
New member
AMEN
We need to set up some kind of screening test to be able to use at this site so these fu@#$!@ idiots can't get on here. I've been using gear for about 3 years now and never once have I gone above 500mg. I'm also a nursing major which has learned a lot about the androgenics. I spent 5 years in the NAVY and saw some really stupid shit that Marines would do with heavy doses of AS. I know I said Marines and I don't mean to offend anyone by that, it's just that I was a corpsman who took care of the Marines. They would do 1200mg a week, some of them. The mantality of a Marine is unexplainable, but they were good guine pigs I learned a lot from there mistakes. DON'T be a RETARD and think your super-human you will eventually die or fubar yourself to the point you wish you were dead.
We need to set up some kind of screening test to be able to use at this site so these fu@#$!@ idiots can't get on here. I've been using gear for about 3 years now and never once have I gone above 500mg. I'm also a nursing major which has learned a lot about the androgenics. I spent 5 years in the NAVY and saw some really stupid shit that Marines would do with heavy doses of AS. I know I said Marines and I don't mean to offend anyone by that, it's just that I was a corpsman who took care of the Marines. They would do 1200mg a week, some of them. The mantality of a Marine is unexplainable, but they were good guine pigs I learned a lot from there mistakes. DON'T be a RETARD and think your super-human you will eventually die or fubar yourself to the point you wish you were dead.
Promet1 said:
Thank you! I do admitt openly that I now use high dosages but at the level I am competing at it is nessassary unfortunatly. I am uncomfortable at times with my gear use now to be honest. I do not brag about taking two grams a week now...I am actually ashamed a bit but its the way it is. I am however highly disiplined and I never let up on my training even when off. (yes I do go off...no bridging!) Newbies should remeber it took me 11 years to get to this dosage and I trained natural for 12 years. (Yes I am getting old!) Build a good base before you use. Your gains will be more permanant. I guess all I am saying is walk before you run.
Quad
J
Johnny Cut
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Quadsweep said:
awesome
wnt2bBeast
New member
ill bump it too..it just makes plain sense!!
glad to have quad here on elite
glad to have quad here on elite
Quadsweep said:
You a-hole! I was 6 pages into this thread before I realized its over a year old! lol
Although I have to agree, of all the boards I post on I see some of the most asinine advice given here at Elite, and usually from n00bs.
Always nice to see the good stuff rise from the dead...right on Quads!
c3bodybuilding
New member
This thread is needed now more than ever. It's getting out of hand. I'm seeing people thinking 2 and 3 grams is *ok*. And these aren't heavily developed people either. If you compete, and are at a high level in the game, then it's sadly needed, but for everyone else, what's the point?
shortstack
Banned
im with ya
Quadsweep said:I know!
I think I will stick this again for a day...why do I need to keep recycling????
Quadsweep
Cause you gotta beat em over the head with a mallet to get your point across.
Well said!! I was a member back in 2000. I had alot of money, got scammed many of times, but I also got what I paid for many of times. My shoulders and back are in pain 24/7. Because of my abuse of steroids. I did what I wanted and followed the advice of some genenetic freaks. I use the same cycles they did 1,000mg of test a week, front load the cycle, not the way to go. I wish for a rewind button, but this is life and I caused the pain. I am trying to work-out again--slowly, but the drive is not there. It sucks, if only I would have................is what I find myself saying know.
Newbie's please, please, please take it slow and do not rush things. If you do not the genetics, please do not waste time, effort, and funds it is not worth the pain YOU WILL have. Stick w/ "time on = time off" and lean more to "time off."
Believe me: "I KNOW" the relationship w/ my girl that I lost, drive to stay in shape, the PAIN, and the $20 Grand I am in the hole.
Hopefully I get the drive to stay in shape BACK!!!
Just please be careful, and tell your family Dr. or any Dr. what you are doing.
God Bless Us All
Newbie's please, please, please take it slow and do not rush things. If you do not the genetics, please do not waste time, effort, and funds it is not worth the pain YOU WILL have. Stick w/ "time on = time off" and lean more to "time off."
Believe me: "I KNOW" the relationship w/ my girl that I lost, drive to stay in shape, the PAIN, and the $20 Grand I am in the hole.
Hopefully I get the drive to stay in shape BACK!!!
Just please be careful, and tell your family Dr. or any Dr. what you are doing.
God Bless Us All
I'm from Belgium and kind of newbie here...but I never will use heavy doses..I'll never use test.or dbol,masteron again..Im very pleased with moderate doses of deca ,EQ and anavar.Last summer I gained 14 pounds in 8 weeks while on 100 Mg of deca/week+100 EQ/week for two months and 20ED of anavar for the last month.Oh I forget propecia for hairloss.There are a lot of users that go bald so caution..muscles are cool and sexy but with a bald head?????? Salut
And I think the propecia maked the deca stronger too
And I think the propecia maked the deca stronger too
little chris
New member
Golfer18--old said:
not a good idea to run to 17 a's at the same time.
Me Personally,
Drop the the Dbol & Fina. Or drop the Dbol & Winstrol
Another rule of mine is no more than 3-4 AAS at once. 5 is too much
mdina said:
Holy $hit dude...could have had a paid off car.
liquidmuscle
Well-known member
that post was from like 2yrs ago, i wonder who advice he took
slat1
New member
This is a great post. I always look forward to reading what Quadsweep has to say. I have always grown well of what I consider small amounts of juice. At 6'3" and 230 at 10% bf I am not that big of a man. I just try to keep things simple and make sure I stay healthy. Obviously some of the vets can do more than the newbies... lets just make sure we think before we type. Point taken Quadsweep. Great post.
gunnermuscle
New member
another BUMP for Quadsweep
Ive been taking conservative dosages of gear for the past 7 years and have been amazed at the gains thru hard work,diet, and supplements while watching guys taking 5 times my amount (or say they do) burn out ,have a health scare, or give up because growth doesnt happen fast enough for them.
I hope everybody on this board reads this posting by a guy that really knows what hes talking about
Ive been taking conservative dosages of gear for the past 7 years and have been amazed at the gains thru hard work,diet, and supplements while watching guys taking 5 times my amount (or say they do) burn out ,have a health scare, or give up because growth doesnt happen fast enough for them.
I hope everybody on this board reads this posting by a guy that really knows what hes talking about
I love this post. I admit that I am at the point where I have to use large doses to grow, considering I've gone from 130lbs-258lbs, my body fights me tooth and nail when I try and add anything else. But thats after 10 years of serious natural training, and 3 years of juicing, where I slowly built up the doses cycle by cycle. Too many lazy meatheads just want to take the easy way out, and let the drugs do the work for them.
"I've been training for 6 months and think I have hit my genetic limit".....
"I've been training for 6 months and think I have hit my genetic limit".....
dzulboy
New member
good post by one of the smartest members here quadsweeo wish there were more like ya here andless assholes out there and no i am not being a wiseass,
got some fuckin moron by me takeing 3000 mgs of test a week 600 mgs of tren and 11 iu of growth a day and the fucking retard placed 2nd in a local show dude give it up is all i have to say not to mention the 3cc's of nubain to numb his pain
got some fuckin moron by me takeing 3000 mgs of test a week 600 mgs of tren and 11 iu of growth a day and the fucking retard placed 2nd in a local show dude give it up is all i have to say not to mention the 3cc's of nubain to numb his pain
This is an OLLLLLD post. I just wanted to bring it back up because its getting to be spring and the Vets all know what this means. How many of us are left from then??? Man the years.......they have been hard...but easy is not worth having IMHO! I will unstick in a day or so
athlete.03
New member
Word. My first cycle was 250 mgs enanthate and 50 mgs winny EOD for 6 weeks. I got so big and vascular I started freaking my family out. Then again I was training hard for about seven years before I got on. It's the gimme' gimme' culture gone bad.
Re: I can't stand this bullshit anymore! [I](this is a very old post thats relevent now)[
Quad, I respect you bro! It's a lot easier to just let shit like that slide just so you won't have to hear the usual drama from the self-proclaimed gurus! But I'm glad you brought this to the board's attention! It was long overdue! Good Post Bro! But, as you and I both know, somethings and some people will never change.
Quad, I respect you bro! It's a lot easier to just let shit like that slide just so you won't have to hear the usual drama from the self-proclaimed gurus!
But I'm glad you brought this to the board's attention! It was long overdue! Good Post Bro! But, as you and I both know, somethings and some people will never change. Quadsweep said:(this is a very old post thats relevent now) I was going to just let this go but I can't in good conscience. If I read one more asinine post from a more than likely punk ass bitch about how these incredibly high dose cycles are the way to go I will freak out! I do not for a minute believe half these people use these doses and I also do not believe their stats. I have been using gear for nine years. I am nationally ranked and will be in the USA in July as a heavy weight and I am only 5'7" tall so I am pretty fucking thick (If you doubt it get a platinum membership and look at my pics) and I do not use half the gear you dumbasses are telling these kids to use on their first cycle. (you know who you are) What kind of a moron are you guys and what have you accomplished with you supposed use (abuse) of gear? Half of you probably are water logged fat assed pieces of shit that walk around in the winter in a tank top showing of your acne infested backs. Do you realize you could be endangering a persons life? This is not a game, They are very potent hormones! The first cycle should always be conservative. A person has NO idea how they will react to these drugs (did you all forget these were drugs) I knew a guy who did 500mg a week of sust and blew up with so much water he developed a slight case of pulmonary edema. You tell people to use 1000mg or more their first time out! Remember you are not doctors, Hell I can't believe half of you can type. Newbies do not need that much gear. It is like the first time you took Tylenol. One or two work great. If you are a newbie and you are reading this take my advice and take it slow. It will save your health and you pocket book. If you are one of the dumbasses I am speaking of, quit giving ignorant advice to make yourself sound hard core. High dosages don't make you a badass, Good genes, proper nutrition, Hard as fuck training and using gear as a tool to make it all work is what makes you a badass and also an intelligent person with some sense. If anyone is offended because they are one of the people I am speaking of....Go to the USA in July, I will be there.....Ready to throw down!
silver_shadow
New member
good stuff... long over due.... and reminders need to be sent out often. k to you
hrlydvdson1
New member
quadsweep, i completely agree. i posted the other day that due to that very thing...people posting and giving opinions when they are fucking lost in a pile of shit themselves. fact is most of them are genetic shit buckets. i am going to continue paying my membership but screw those kinds of idiots. there are guys that i consider credible and will continue to read their posts and threads.
bigguns123
New member
Re: I can't stand this bullshit anymore! [I](this is a very old post thats relevent now)[
Lol... I've been thinking the same thing bro but theres nothing you can do about it thats the world wide web for ya & theres alot of idiots in the world let em get on with it! They wanna know what drugs to take to get big, drugs to lose fat, drugs because they got no motivation hell their were talking about doing coke b4 training in one post its fucking endless! I won the British nationals too & on a fucking alot less gear than people are telling newbies to do!
Quadsweep said:(this is a very old post thats relevent now) I was going to just let this go but I can't in good conscience. If I read one more asinine post from a more than likely punk ass bitch about how these incredibly high dose cycles are the way to go I will freak out! I do not for a minute believe half these people use these doses and I also do not believe their stats. I have been using gear for nine years. I am nationally ranked and will be in the USA in July as a heavy weight and I am only 5'7" tall so I am pretty fucking thick (If you doubt it get a platinum membership and look at my pics) and I do not use half the gear you dumbasses are telling these kids to use on their first cycle. (you know who you are) What kind of a moron are you guys and what have you accomplished with you supposed use (abuse) of gear? Half of you probably are water logged fat assed pieces of shit that walk around in the winter in a tank top showing of your acne infested backs. Do you realize you could be endangering a persons life? This is not a game, They are very potent hormones! The first cycle should always be conservative. A person has NO idea how they will react to these drugs (did you all forget these were drugs) I knew a guy who did 500mg a week of sust and blew up with so much water he developed a slight case of pulmonary edema. You tell people to use 1000mg or more their first time out! Remember you are not doctors, Hell I can't believe half of you can type. Newbies do not need that much gear. It is like the first time you took Tylenol. One or two work great. If you are a newbie and you are reading this take my advice and take it slow. It will save your health and you pocket book. If you are one of the dumbasses I am speaking of, quit giving ignorant advice to make yourself sound hard core. High dosages don't make you a badass, Good genes, proper nutrition, Hard as fuck training and using gear as a tool to make it all work is what makes you a badass and also an intelligent person with some sense. If anyone is offended because they are one of the people I am speaking of....Go to the USA in July, I will be there.....Ready to throw down!
Lol... I've been thinking the same thing bro but theres nothing you can do about it thats the world wide web for ya & theres alot of idiots in the world let em get on with it! They wanna know what drugs to take to get big, drugs to lose fat, drugs because they got no motivation hell their were talking about doing coke b4 training in one post its fucking endless! I won the British nationals too & on a fucking alot less gear than people are telling newbies to do!
tatman3177
New member
Re: I can't stand this bullshit anymore! [I](this is a very old post thats relevent n
fuck yeah bro.. thats in teligently sayin fuck youQuadsweep said:(this is a very old post thats relevent now) I was going to just let this go but I can't in good conscience. If I read one more asinine post from a more than likely punk ass bitch about how these incredibly high dose cycles are the way to go I will freak out! I do not for a minute believe half these people use these doses and I also do not believe their stats. I have been using gear for nine years. I am nationally ranked and will be in the USA in July as a heavy weight and I am only 5'7" tall so I am pretty fucking thick (If you doubt it get a platinum membership and look at my pics) and I do not use half the gear you dumbasses are telling these kids to use on their first cycle. (you know who you are) What kind of a moron are you guys and what have you accomplished with you supposed use (abuse) of gear? Half of you probably are water logged fat assed pieces of shit that walk around in the winter in a tank top showing of your acne infested backs. Do you realize you could be endangering a persons life? This is not a game, They are very potent hormones! The first cycle should always be conservative. A person has NO idea how they will react to these drugs (did you all forget these were drugs) I knew a guy who did 500mg a week of sust and blew up with so much water he developed a slight case of pulmonary edema. You tell people to use 1000mg or more their first time out! Remember you are not doctors, Hell I can't believe half of you can type. Newbies do not need that much gear. It is like the first time you took Tylenol. One or two work great. If you are a newbie and you are reading this take my advice and take it slow. It will save your health and you pocket book. If you are one of the dumbasses I am speaking of, quit giving ignorant advice to make yourself sound hard core. High dosages don't make you a badass, Good genes, proper nutrition, Hard as fuck training and using gear as a tool to make it all work is what makes you a badass and also an intelligent person with some sense. If anyone is offended because they are one of the people I am speaking of....Go to the USA in July, I will be there.....Ready to throw down!
SaintLouis
New member
Re: I can't stand this bullshit anymore! [I](this is a very old post thats relevent now)[
AMEN! " Hey bro, I eat Mcdonalds twice a day will winny cut me up for summer" This kind of shit is just retarded!! Find a new fucking hobby.
Quadsweep said:(this is a very old post thats relevent now) I was going to just let this go but I can't in good conscience. If I read one more asinine post from a more than likely punk ass bitch about how these incredibly high dose cycles are the way to go I will freak out! I do not for a minute believe half these people use these doses and I also do not believe their stats. I have been using gear for nine years. I am nationally ranked and will be in the USA in July as a heavy weight and I am only 5'7" tall so I am pretty fucking thick (If you doubt it get a platinum membership and look at my pics) and I do not use half the gear you dumbasses are telling these kids to use on their first cycle. (you know who you are) What kind of a moron are you guys and what have you accomplished with you supposed use (abuse) of gear? Half of you probably are water logged fat assed pieces of shit that walk around in the winter in a tank top showing of your acne infested backs. Do you realize you could be endangering a persons life? This is not a game, They are very potent hormones! The first cycle should always be conservative. A person has NO idea how they will react to these drugs (did you all forget these were drugs) I knew a guy who did 500mg a week of sust and blew up with so much water he developed a slight case of pulmonary edema. You tell people to use 1000mg or more their first time out! Remember you are not doctors, Hell I can't believe half of you can type. Newbies do not need that much gear. It is like the first time you took Tylenol. One or two work great. If you are a newbie and you are reading this take my advice and take it slow. It will save your health and you pocket book. If you are one of the dumbasses I am speaking of, quit giving ignorant advice to make yourself sound hard core. High dosages don't make you a badass, Good genes, proper nutrition, Hard as fuck training and using gear as a tool to make it all work is what makes you a badass and also an intelligent person with some sense. If anyone is offended because they are one of the people I am speaking of....Go to the USA in July, I will be there.....Ready to throw down!
AMEN! " Hey bro, I eat Mcdonalds twice a day will winny cut me up for summer" This kind of shit is just retarded!! Find a new fucking hobby.
bigguns123
New member
Winstrol cuts you up thats the best one isn't it or this one err what AAS shall i take to gain size? Have you considered eating more food?Lol..
jagerbombme
BANNED
Quadsweep said:Man...not to blow my own horn...This was a great post! One of Ulter's and mine first fights.
Q.
ferris quadsweep, your my hero
hehe, good post though bro, it is it is, i will keep this in mind for my future AAS useage. Im probably going on for good here with 250mg ew, and then when I cycle, it'll just bump to 500mg and throw in some nandralone and some dbol. Im not a pro and never going to be, but as ulter said in another post, libido good, quality of life good, energy, or something like that, less fat, better health, im for it.
DJ_UFO
Banned
Great post. I totally agree. Some people forget that not everybody is born Arnold Schwarzenegger, and more steroids will not make you look like Arnold. If you don't have the genetics, forget it.
Also, using grams and grams and eating like a pig to walk and look like a Gorilla, is not cool. Not cool for guys, not cool for girls. In fact, girls throw up when they see a guy like that, and guys laugh their asses off.
Also, using grams and grams and eating like a pig to walk and look like a Gorilla, is not cool. Not cool for guys, not cool for girls. In fact, girls throw up when they see a guy like that, and guys laugh their asses off.
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