I believe this to be a gravely important issue for our safety: Rec. drug discussion

[daemon]

I disagree.

While I feel Frackals position is reasonable I disagree that eliminating or attempting to eliminate rec drug talk will result in any less "supervision" of this board. The rec drug talk on this board is rather tame. Even a quick search by any gov't agency I feel would lead to the conclusion that while some users of this board indulge in recreational drug usage, they're in the minority. Additionally the "no open source posting" rules put into effect on this board should clue law enforcement in that this board is NOT here to provide it's members access to drugs (rec or otherwise) rather a place for the safe discussion of the above.

I have an extremely hard time connecting recent steriod busts with the open discussion of recreational drug usage. To my knowledge, none of the sources, or users recently busted had anything to do with rec. drugs. The fact that there has been an increasing amount of busts related to steroids leads me at least to the logical conclusion that federal agencies ARE looking into steroids. Not just rec. drugs. If the above is true, eliminating the discussion of rec drugs solves nothing.

Ashcroft may be the attorney general. He may set policy on where gov't resources should be allocated. He may have fucked the entire constitution on a witch hunt for terrorists and drug dealers. He may personally feel that the mere speaking of drug use should be a punishable offense. BUT, he can't do that. Nor can he afford to chase around every fool who posts on an internet chat board talking about exctasy.

I would be willing to guess that open discussion of drug use, regardless of thier schedule is a slap in the face to the DEA. While I'm sure the DEA certainly has thier priorities and budget targeted towards the more fashionable drugs, rub it in thier faces enough and they're going to come after you. Take a look at Animal for a prime example. If you make it easy enough, they WILL go after you.

With all the recent events, sure we should be more cautious. Thats a given. But if your truly want to give the feds a reason to leave us alone, why not start with more effective measures? How about we start locking posts directly talking about the possesion of illegal substances? How about we stop talking about how to make certain illegal substances (fina)? How about we stop having morons DYING from DNP usage? How about we stop profiling the board on HBO? These are the things which cause attention from federal agencies.

Ultimately Frackal, I think your "countermeasures" provide very little extra safety to those on this board at an expense of our freedom. If your willing to sacrifice the openness of this board for a little extra security, at least make it effective and eliminate the discussion of things which DO cause attention.

 

[Frackal]

Bro, you make some good points but I think you are downplaying, or are unaware, of the amount of extra attention recreational drug discussion gets from the feds.

I think I have said it about 50 times so far, but I will try to explain myself again.

The feds, in general, care little about steroid use. (it seems)

But they most CERTAINLY DO CARE about recreational drug use, and ecstacy is the new target.

Do a search on ecstacy, spelled as I have spelled it, on JUST the anabolic board.... you get over ONE HUNDRED hits...

Do a search for cocaine...you come up with THREE HUNDRED and EIGHTY-SEVEN posts...just on the anabolic board... this is ridiculous!

Whether you beleive so or not, these types of posts DO attract the feds...if they believe that our sources are involved in this sort of recreational crap, they WILL pursue it, whether you believe so or not.

It's all about the impression they get bro...if they know this board as a place where only steroids are discussed in a mature manner without open sourcing, they may be more likely to leave it alone somewhat... but if we have a bunch of posts about coke, ecstacy, blah blah then they will definitely give this board a higher priority.

I agree with everything in your second to last paragraph.

Also - Yes, it may not make a huge difference, but that is only your opinion, and I have mine, neither of us are experts.

Last thing ... you may indeed be right about it being too late...but hopefully all this is not necessary

 

[Frackal]

Btw, your ideas are good too... let's see how things shape up in the next few months ..

 

[SwitchedOn]

Whatup bros, I haven't been around much in the past few months but had to reply to this post.
Do I like the occassional (every 3-4 months) of getting stoned? Yes I do
Do I use painkillers to kill the pain of being on a cycle and pumping too much weight? Sure I do.
The choice we as a community have to make here is between discussing rec substances and discussing anabolics. We are all here to share knowledge- the knowledge gained through the positive, informed use of anabolic steroids.
I support Frackals initiative to ban talk or discussion of rec drugs on this board, there are other places you can find the info you are looking for. Have I, in the past, asked about the use of "rec" substances- yes I have. However it is information that is definitely not of vital importance to my survival. I can get that info from another source or research it myself.
I guess it all comes down to how much we want this board, and the fellow bros who supply information on this board, to stay out of trouble.
I'm from old school- was registered at The Rock's board before it went under- and don't want to see the same thing happen here for different reasons. Think of what we would be missing if all the vets and mods weren't around to help us with our ?'s.
Enough of my soapbox, but I've been a member here for almost 2 years and call it home when it comes to inquiries related to gear. Let's not let this great place of discussion go to shit.

 

[Sinistar]

ok

your right that none of us have free speech on this board, though i think thats a lil harsh to getting your way.

with all the propaganda about riod rage, youd think juice would be on the radar.

my thoughts boil down to this: frack just admitted to about 500 posts about pot/blow. seems like theres a noticable segament who partake occasionally. if the owners of the board ultimatly choose to shut donw talk of this,none of us can do a thing about it but leave the board. im not amped about that.

but to be fair, and im sure i will get no support from the board, if this goes into effect its got to be all or nothing. GHB is some pretty fun stuff, or so i hear from nick nolte [or gary busey?]. and youve already admitted that you wouldve added that to the list but it wouldnt have went over well. i doubt youd have done that if a throng of potheads wouldve come to its defense.

and yes im harping on that. i think its agreed as far as big bad drugs go weed isnt on the list. but if we gotta stop the pot talk, lets stop the ghb talk. the cialis talk. the cabergoline talk.

i feel this is only fair. but if im the only one, or near it, ill shut up and stay on using the board [shut the fucking booing up lol].

however ill stir the pot one last time: once upon a time i used to drop acid and trip on shrooms. i wnt over to shroomery.org forums for ppl of like mind. there is questions ranging from how you convert powdered coke to crack, where you can get mdma test kits, ppl posting for sources of lsd through the mail [which are quickly removed], ect ect. im not suggesting anything of the sort over here, but the shroomery, which is usually in the hightimes Pot 40 in the back of the mag, hasnt gotten any more trouble from the cops than trying to set up sales on PM.

this is amazing, as there are 10 businesses that sell magic mushroom spores, most all from the US, over that forum. they post pictures of beds of shrooms they admit they grow, which end up being pounds dried. they have a cultivation forum over there for the express purpose of helping members grow shrooms.

not trying to be a prick, seriously. but when it comes to sticking ones neck out youd be hard pressed to beat the 10000 members of the shroomery. they use common sense, and there has yet to be a bust over there. there have been investigations, no arrests. and all those investigated are back in biz.

there is something going on that ppl are having trouble over here, and not having trouble over there. take a step back and look at wat i just said. go over there and look for yourself. it doesnt matter about what happens with this no rec drugs rule, somethings up. when youve got ppl offering advice on how to grow mushrooms, youve got walkthroughs on how to prepare the stuff they grow on, dose recomendations, links to places to order psychoactive cacti ect ect your definatly eing watched. whats the difference that this board is getting its ass busted?

seriously, what the hell is up? 2+2 isnt equaling 4 here. but i can say im really starting to respect frack on this, you have an opinon and you dont mind explaining/defending it. there should be more stand up ppl like that.

 

[liftsiron]

From what I see the ones that want to defend the rec drug talk, are newbies with few posts who probably don't give a flying fuck about this board. Frackel is right, regardless what arguments any crack head wants to post. This thread is not about infringing on free speech its about common sense, which most in a stoned state lack. Why bring more heat where its not needed.

 

[Nelson Montana]

First of all, does this really need to be a STICKY? (Either does the hair loss thread.)
I think we're getting overzealous over minor issues.

Frackal: Your heart is in the right place bro, but I believe you're being naive if you think it makes one bit of difference one way or the other.

The problem here is people are confusing philosophy with legalities. The law is very specific and unconcerned with "logic" -- regardless how emphatically it's presented.

We indeed live in a police state. In that regard Frackal is dead right. But you can't possibly think that Ascroft and his cronies are sitting there looking at this board and saying: "Gee, thy're only talking about personal use of anabolics. That's not so bad so let's leave them alone." Get real. Steroids. Heroin. It's all the same to them.
I too believe this board is no place to discuss rec drug use but the best way to change that is to ignore it. Meanwhile, they'll still be plenty of posts abut DNP and other dangerous compounds.

Now everyone repeat after me...

I pledge allegience to the United States of America. And to the hypocricy for which it stands, one nation, under an imaginary man in the sky, easily divisible, with liberty and justice for the rich and privileged."

 

[Frackal]

Nelson I see your point, but I still think they discern, maybe not ashcroft but the DEA is on record saying, loosely quoted: "We dont really have steroids on our radar, no one robs a liquor store to get steroids...."

I mean yeah, if they are really going to focus on steroids there is nothing we can do, but you have to remember that the mentality of these guys is that they generally despise recreational drugs, which is why they are DEA in the first place....I've read a rather large book about them and this is the impression I got....

I don't think this has to be looked at as a big issue really, just a small rule to help clean things up a little, and hell, it could very well make a difference.... as I've said, anabolex has implemented this rule for a reason...this board gets alot of attention so I think we should to...

Remember, the more you see recreational drug posts on the aas board, the more those reading will view us as just common drug users

 

[sk*]

I pledge allegience to the United States of America. And to the hypocricy for which it stands, one nation, under an imaginary man in the sky, easily divisible, with liberty and justice for the rich and privileged."

I actually like you now after this statement. Can I put it in my signature?

-sk

 

[Nelson Montana]

Sure sk. I'd be honored.

Frackal, you have a point. I'm sure there are lots of bros who had small amounts of gear intercepted by mail and confiscated and they just got a notice. If it were small amounts of narcotics, chances are they'd get a little visit at 4:00 am.