Hypothetical First big boy cycle D-bol/Test-E/Epi

[Marley13]

5'9" 185-190lbs 11%
Previous experience:
Superdrol/P-stanz
Epistane
H-drol

Test E @ 500mg per week {weeks 1-16}
D-bol @ 30mg per day {weeks 1-6}
Epi @ 20-30mg per day {weeks 12-16}
Ghrp6 @ 300mcg per day {weeks 1-6} (to increase hunger)
A-dex @ 0.5mg EOD {weeks 1-16}
Vitamin B6 200mg per day {weeks 1-16}
Liver Care 52 4 pills per day {weeks 1-16}

PCT:
HCG 500-1000iu EOD {week 1}
Nova 20mg ED for {weeks 2-5}
Clomid 50mg ED {weeks 6-7}
Nova 20mg ED {weeks 8-11}
Clomid 50mg ED {weeks 12-13}
Also throw in some DAA

 

[tren test nut]

Thats ten weeks of methylated orals. Hope Your alright afterwards. 10 weeks isnt that bad. But its pushing it.

 

[Marley13]

Do you not think that a 6 week break in between them will help?

Like I said this is mostly hypothetical, just tossing around ideas.

 

[Marley13]

Ok so I am bringing this thread back to life, just curious about what the perfect first cycle would be I have heard mixed things about how your first cycle should be strong and include both D-bol and Test E as it is your first and you will never get the gains like you did on your first. I have also herd that you should go with less to see how you react and go over board. I would like any input from anyone on this, I have redesigned the cycle based off of what tren test nut said and removed/lowered the dosage of the mthyl's.

Test E @ 250mg per week {weeks 1-4}
Test E @ 400mg per week {weeks 5-14}
D-bol @ 25mg per day {weeks 1-4}
Epi @ 20-30mg per day {weeks 10-14}
Ghrp6 @ 300mcg per day {weeks 1-6} (to increase hunger)
A-dex @ 0.5mg EOD {weeks 1-16}
Vitamin B6 200mg per day {weeks 1-16}
Liver Care 52 4 pills per day {weeks 1-16}

PCT:
HCG 500-1000iu EOD {week 1}
Nova 20mg ED for {weeks 2-5}
Clomid 50mg ED {weeks 6-7}
Nova 20mg ED {weeks 8-11}
Clomid 50mg ED {weeks 12-13}
Also throw in some DAA

Does this look better or should I still add or removed things from the cycle and pct? I greatly appreciate any an put as I am new to this and still learning. Would you all recommend removing either the Epi and or D-bol and just sticking with one oral?

thank you

 

[Judo Tom]

test only is the best way to go imo.. that or simple oral for 4-6 weeks..

but 1 compound makes sooooo much sense.. if you throw 5 new chemicals in your body you wont know what is doing what its just all a crazy mix.

start with 1 thing for a short run. hit up a great pct and thats a great first cycle

 

[gatemoney]

test only is the best way to go imo.. that or simple oral for 4-6 weeks..

but 1 compound makes sooooo much sense.. if you throw 5 new chemicals in your body you wont know what is doing what its just all a crazy mix.

start with 1 thing for a short run. hit up a great pct and thats a great first cycle

+1
Test + food n you will explode for your first cycle!
You're seriously over complicating it.
With all that other shit all your doing is increasing the chances of having some really bad sides and having to abandon the cycle.
Put all that effort into pct!
Don't waste your first cycle with a shitty poorly planned pct and lose all of your gains like I did.
That is where most of your effort should be going not the gear itself.
Jmo

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Your cycle and pct confuse me. Why so many different drugs when you are not prepping for an NPC national qualifier or the superbowl or something serious? Keep it simple... this is your first cycle. 400-500mg of test a week with a good AI on hand. Cheap, massively effective, fewer compounds so you know how to deal with the side effects, and what is causing them, if they arise.

 

[Marley13]

Alright you guys have all persuaded me, it is your body and you only get one so take care of it.....how about this?

Test E @ 400mg per week {weeks 1-12}
D-bol @ 25mg per day {weeks 1-4}
Exemestane @ 25mg EOD {weeks 1-12}
Liver Care 52 4 pills per day {weeks 1-4}

PCT: start 14days after last test e dose.
Nova 20mg ED for {weeks 2-5}
Clomid 50mg ED {weeks 6-7}
Nova 20mg ED {weeks 8-11}
Clomid 50mg ED {weeks 12-13}
Also throw in some DAA

Is that cycle better or do you guys think the D-bol should be kicked to the curb too? I have heard some say run D-bol and others say don't...what do you all think?

Also like stated by you guys above I realize PCT is key, would you mind helping me to set one up? What SERM's (Clomid, Nova, Torem, Evista) do you think should be used and at what dose? Is HCG needed on this cycle?

Still somewhat new to all of this and trying to learn, thanks for all the help!

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Better but I don't know why you don't run the aromasin through the PCT also, I think it works very well stacked with nolva and can have you back to normal after a milder cycle like this in a matter of weeks.

On the dbol I could take it or leave it for this setup. 25mg for 4 weeks isn't a bad way to kickstart a cycle. However don't panic if you lose some water weight in week 5 and 6... although water retention will be minimal on the aromasin at that dose. I could cut that in half and use 12.5mg (half a tab) eod unless you start to see sides that require it. Will save you some $$$ and leave you more of it for your PCT.