HRT with Deca Question

[XMAN.]

Wow, I guess it really is a very individual thing. My last lab came back at 2465 on 300 mg test. I'm guessing that at 400 it would be up around 3000. I'm 44 yrs. old. 6ft. 200. Do you think its an just an age thing or physiological differences between people along with body weight/composition?

i think it's both , age and physiological differences , too many variables in the process that's why the only way for a person to be exact on his individual dose is by blood tests.

 

[Mad_Max21]

Check out www.fitnessparadiseworld.com shit ton of info there too!

 

[Zyglamail]

According to a 2001 study where 61 average men where part of a 16 week trial the average test levels where as follows....

total test:
125 mg group-570 ng/dl
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl

you can read full article here...

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/281/6/E1172

 

[XMAN.]

According to a 2001 study where 61 average men where part of a 16 week trial the average test levels where as follows....

total test:
125 mg group-570 ng/dl
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl

you can read full article here...

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism

yeah i read it somewhere , it really changed my mind on hrt dosing, i use to be afraid from doses higher than 200mg/week but nowadays after reading more on this issue and from ur explanations Zyg on it in several threads i'm now convinced with this new science that was hidden before cuz of the war worldwide on steroids and the social taboos on it , dunno y politicians and responsable ppl even in the scientific community are so conventional and spreading these horror stories around the use of steroids and blaming every death or accidents on steroids related to the users instead of ignorance and misuse, i thx the internet and the forums like EF that let us share our knowledge and experiences with ppl worldwide and finally clear things up and trash these horror stories for ever.

 

[Zyglamail]

xman, if ya havent already read the study in the link. Whats interesting is the 2 low dose groups actually had worse sides than the 300mg group. Im guessing because their natty T levels where higher than what the low dose exo T provided yet the exo T shut down nattu production for an overall negeative effect on total T and thus the sides. Sides seem to be pretty limited for the 3 mid groups and it wasnt really until the 600mg group did things start to heat up. My guess is this study and others like along with empirical first hand evidence from clients and their blood work help drive most TRT docs to the conclusion that 400mg/wk was the upper end of the safe dose. It provided max test levels, usually well above normal range, with little to no sides in those with an otherwise clean bill of health.

 

[XMAN.]

xman, if ya havent already read the study in the link. Whats interesting is the 2 low dose groups actually had worse sides than the 300mg group. Im guessing because their natty T levels where higher than what the low dose exo T provided yet the exo T shut down nattu production for an overall negeative effect on total T and thus the sides. Sides seem to be pretty limited for the 3 mid groups and it wasnt really until the 600mg group did things start to heat up. My guess is this study and others like along with empirical first hand evidence from clients and their blood work help drive most TRT docs to the conclusion that 400mg/wk was the upper end of the safe dose. It provided max test levels, usually well above normal range, with little to no sides in those with an otherwise clean bill of health.

yeah i read it and i copied it to my hard drive , thx for the link Zyg , and ur right TRT has entered a new era

 

[miplank]