HRT at 24

[LiquidPhire]

Like I said im only responding because its the second time you allude to permanent infertility and dont want people confuse. Writing wills, freezing sperm, getting a lawyer, etc are all possibilities to consider before starting long term use of steroids. But even for users of ten years or more, there is successful therapies for getting sperm count high enough for pregnancy. There are even possibilities while on HRT. Just ask a specialist.

Glad to hear this man,

I inquired about banking some sperm it costs a few grand in my area atleast. (boston)

 

[halfcenturian]

Pardon my candor, but if you have a pituitary tumor, find out if it's benign or going to cause additional problems, or possibly require surgery. Get a second and third opinion. Forget about HRT until you have your Dr.'s ok that it's not cancerous. WTF are you thinking?

 

[theslime]

Glad to hear this man,

I inquired about banking some sperm it costs a few grand in my area atleast. (boston)

Another question you might want to ask yourself: is that how im gonna want to make a kid? If i had no other choice (unfortunately, i know some dont) i guess id go with that, but id prefer the natural way even if it takes more time. Just my opinion.

 

[eddymerckx]

Like I said im only responding because its the second time you allude to permanent infertility and dont want people confuse. Writing wills, freezing sperm, getting a lawyer, etc are all possibilities to consider before starting long term use of steroids. But even for users of ten years or more, there is successful therapies for getting sperm count high enough for pregnancy. There are even possibilities while on HRT. Just ask a specialist.]QUOTE]

treatment of gear–induced azoospermia is not an absolute science nor is it always sucessful--if it is always sucessful can you provide the citation?

you are more concerned with the public perception than with the reality of gear use for this one bro--i don't care about public perception, i am more concerned that this bro who is already supressed not take the next step of self medicating w/o a bit of planning.

if you object to this then i would argue that, specifically, it is such an attitude which fosters the notion that gear users do so w/o any care for long-term consequences.

 

[theslime]

Like I said im only responding because its the second time you allude to permanent infertility and dont want people confuse. Writing wills, freezing sperm, getting a lawyer, etc are all possibilities to consider before starting long term use of steroids. But even for users of ten years or more, there is successful therapies for getting sperm count high enough for pregnancy. There are even possibilities while on HRT. Just ask a specialist.]QUOTE]

treatment of gear–induced azoospermia is not an absolute science nor is it always sucessful--if it is always sucessful can you provide the citation?

you are more concerned with the public perception than with the reality of gear use for this one bro--i don't care about public perception, i am more concerned that this bro who is already supressed not take the next step of self medicating w/o a bit of planning.

if you object to this then i would argue that, specifically, it is such an attitude which fosters the notion that gear users do so w/o any care for long-term consequences.

I understand your point dr. Merckx. However, if you want to prove freezing sperm now and paying thousands of dollars is more logical than being treated by a fertility specialist in ten years if there is a problem, you would need to show a risk of permanent infertility. So...show me one documented case of permanent, non-treateable infertility caused by gear and I will abdicate. Unfortunately, except if the original poster has a lot of money to spend, it doesnt make much sense. I would just go on HRT if the doctor he consults thinks it makes sense.

 

[theslime]

Forgot to say: I do care about the poster but i also care about public perception. I fight it everyday and it pisses me off. Plus it justifies the government spending on shutting down legit labs and makes everyone paranoid.

 

[asianlover]

Pardon my candor, but if you have a pituitary tumor, find out if it's benign or going to cause additional problems, or possibly require surgery. Get a second and third opinion. Forget about HRT until you have your Dr.'s ok that it's not cancerous. WTF are you thinking?

its not cancerous and it never will be. it is only 4.1mm. this kind is VERY slow growing and it wouldn'y need to be removed until it get closer to 10mm. the only reason i am not writing all of the info is that the post would be 2 pages long. i apreciate your concern bro, but come the fuck on, this thing is in my goddamn brain. do you really think that i would be so wrekless about it?
i've been doing researth for months, ever since found out about this and i do have a medical background, so this stuff isn't foreign to me.
i was just wondering about normal HRT doses. there is probable a 99% chance that the doc is going to put me on it anyway, i was just curious.

 

[LiquidPhire]

its not cancerous and it never will be. it is only 4.1mm. this kind is VERY slow growing and it wouldn'y need to be removed until it get closer to 10mm. the only reason i am not writing all of the info is that the post would be 2 pages long. i apreciate your concern bro, but come the fuck on, this thing is in my goddamn brain. do you really think that i would be so wrekless about it?
i've been doing researth for months, ever since found out about this and i do have a medical background, so this stuff isn't foreign to me.
i was just wondering about normal HRT doses. there is probable a 99% chance that the doc is going to put me on it anyway, i was just curious.

He's just lookin out for you bro, no need to get defensive.

Why not just get it checked out just for a complete piece of mind?

 

[theblondebomber]

Do what your doctor tells you.

yea let insurance cover it.

 

[eddymerckx]

I understand your point dr. Merckx. However, if you want to prove freezing sperm now and paying thousands of dollars is more logical than being treated by a fertility specialist in ten years if there is a problem, you would need to show a risk of permanent infertility. So...show me one documented case of permanent, non-treateable infertility caused by gear and I will abdicate. Unfortunately, except if the original poster has a lot of money to spend, it doesnt make much sense. I would just go on HRT if the doctor he consults thinks it makes sense.

i do have a doctorate degree--and a post-doc--in tax law

and again, my advice was specific to the bro posting, but there are many cases in the lit that discuss restoring male fertility and use of anabolic androgenic steroids, but the crucial conclusion of all those articles is that modern drug treatment may restore fertility--not one says will. moreover, the drug regimes necessary to restore fertility are expensive and significant ($3k-$7k vs $600 to bank in Colorado). also, one of the reasons cited for not using test as male birth control is that (besides it is inconsistent and requires higher doses) is that there is no solid evidence that the htpa suppression is always reversible. see below.

and this why, as most ef bros know, but most noobs appear not to know, is why a solid PCT is so critical

The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 86, No. 11 5108-5117

"Effects on gonads. A reduction in fertility associated with anabolic steroid use results due to gonadotropin suppression, which, in turn, results in azoospermia, abnormalities in sperm motility and morphology, and testicular atrophy (79, 80, 81). The reversibility of these effects is variable. Some have suggested that restoration of hormonal balance after discontinuation of anabolic androgenic steroids use allows testicular function to return to normal (82, 83), whereas other studies have shown the persistence of hormonal abnormalities even after discontinuation of anabolic androgenic steroids (84, 85).

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