How's this look for cycle #2?

[Spades24]

Finished pct on my first cycle a couple weeks ago. Ran test e at 500 for 12 weeks with a 4 week beastdrol kickstart at 30mg ED. I'm 25 years old 6' 220 presently, was 190 before cycle, gained some bodyfat. I'm taking about 3 months off and plan to start this proposed cut cycle in march

Weeks 1-10: test prop 60mg ED
Weeks 2-8: tren ace 60mg ED
Weeks 4-10: anavar 60mg ED
Caber .25mg Monday/thursday while on tren
Aromasin 12.5mg ED on cycle and pct
Hcg 250iu Monday/Thursday on cycle

Pct: clomid 100/100/50/50 plus aromasin


Does the dosing and setup look ok? I figured I'd run the test a little beyond the tren. Should I start the anavar at the same time as tren instead tho?

 

[Spades24]

Bueller? Bueller?

 

[nydj66]

Finished pct on my first cycle a couple weeks ago. Ran test e at 500 for 12 weeks with a 4 week beastdrol kickstart at 30mg ED. I'm 25 years old 6' 220 presently, was 190 before cycle, gained some bodyfat. I'm taking about 3 months off and plan to start this proposed cut cycle in march

Weeks 1-10: test prop 60mg ED
Weeks 2-8: tren ace 60mg ED
Weeks 4-10: anavar 60mg ED
Caber .25mg Monday/thursday while on tren
Aromasin 12.5mg ED on cycle and pct
Hcg 250iu Monday/Thursday on cycle

Pct: clomid 100/100/50/50 plus aromasin


Does the dosing and setup look ok? I figured I'd run the test a little beyond the tren. Should I start the anavar at the same time as tren instead tho?

If you haven't bought the anavar, go with winny. It's cheaper and stacks better with tren.

Yes you should continue the test for 2 weeks after the tren. If you run winny, run it along with the tren.

Drop the tren dosage to 50mg/day so that the test is higher.

 

[Spades24]

I already have the anavar. Everything else I still needto purchase. I was originally just going to do test prop and anavar, but tren ace has got me giddy. I wanna get shredded. Do you think 50mg Ed of tren is enough? And everything else looks ok? What about starting anavar 2 weeks after tren, is that weird?

 

[jmat2407]

Weeks 1-10: test prop 60mg ED
Weeks 2-8: tren ace 60mg ED
Weeks 4-10: anavar 60mg ED
Caber .25mg Monday/thursday while on tren
Aromasin 12.5mg ED on cycle and pct
Hcg 250iu Monday/Thursday on cycle

Pct: clomid 100/100/50/50 plus aromasin

Unless ur very prone to estrogen related sides I wouldn't run the aromasin 12.5 ED, I would simply run it as need on cycle then run it EOD during PCT. .25 is a good starting dose for the caber, maybe bump it up to .5mg twice a week if you run into any issues. Last two weeks heading into PCT run HMG along with the hcg you'll already be running to ensure both LH and FSH production is g2g.

 

[jmat2407]

If you haven't bought the anavar, go with winny. It's cheaper and stacks better with tren.

Yes you should continue the test for 2 weeks after the tren. If you run winny, run it along with the tren.

Drop the tren dosage to 50mg/day so that the test is higher.

There is no reason you can't run the tren at the same dose as your test..

 

[Spades24]

Unless ur very prone to estrogen related sides I wouldn't run the aromasin 12.5 ED, I would simply run it as need on cycle then run it EOD during PCT. .25 is a good starting dose for the caber, maybe bump it up to .5mg twice a week if you run into any issues. Last two weeks heading into PCT run HMG along with the hcg you'll already be running to ensure both LH and FSH production is g2g.

You helped me set up my first cycle, I value ur input. What is this hmg ur referring to?

 

[nydj66]

There is no reason you can't run the tren at the same dose as your test..

Sure you can do it. But running the test dose a little higher is good insurance against libido issues.

Some are more sensitive than others but you never know until it's too late.

 

[Spades24]

bump

 

[Ripp42]

Finished pct on my first cycle a couple weeks ago. Ran test e at 500 for 12 weeks with a 4 week beastdrol kickstart at 30mg ED. I'm 25 years old 6' 220 presently, was 190 before cycle, gained some bodyfat. I'm taking about 3 months off and plan to start this proposed cut cycle in march

Weeks 1-10: test prop 60mg ED
Weeks 2-8: tren ace 60mg ED
Weeks 4-10: anavar 60mg ED
Caber .25mg Monday/thursday while on tren
Aromasin 12.5mg ED on cycle and pct
Hcg 250iu Monday/Thursday on cycle

Pct: clomid 100/100/50/50 plus aromasin


Does the dosing and setup look ok? I figured I'd run the test a little beyond the tren. Should I start the anavar at the same time as tren instead tho?

I'd run hcg every four days at 250iu Mon and Fri
And for pct 200/100/50 for 21 days
Look into unleashed and post cycle also those are talked high about. Ive always ran clomid and nolva and hv no sides and come back just fine

 

[EZ_E]

You helped me set up my first cycle, I value ur input. What is this hmg ur referring to?

You should value Jmat's input, he knows his stuff...

You've gotten some good advice here in this thread, I will only add that IMO tren for a 2nd cycle isn't a good idea...

~EZ

 

[RADAR]

You should value Jmat's input, he knows his stuff...

You've gotten some good advice here in this thread, I will only add that IMO tren for a 2nd cycle isn't a good idea...

~EZ

This i will agree on.


I would run one of the following

Primobolin

Masterdon

Equipoise

 

[obsessedwliftin]

I would run Masteron with prop and especially with tren as it will lower chances of progesterone sides. However running tren as a second cycle is not a good idea bro. I run a lot of tren cycles and can tell you that it is in a world of its own as far as aas is concerned. A nice prop mast cycle sounds nice. Good lean gains and hard as a rock. Pct post cycle unleashed combo and you will be fine.

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[RADAR]

I would run Masteron with prop and especially with tren as it will lower chances of progesterone sides. However running tren as a second cycle is not a good idea bro. I run a lot of tren cycles and can tell you that it is in a world of its own as far as aas is concerned. A nice prop mast cycle sounds nice. Good lean gains and hard as a rock. Pct post cycle unleashed combo and you will be fine.

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I agree (again)

and on top of that Prop/Masterdon cycle run 2 platefulls of Turkey at 600MGS a piece and watch the sparks fly!

 

[IceIzNoble]

Don't run tren for your 2nd cycle.

IcE

 

[Spades24]

Don't run tren for your 2nd cycle.

IcE

Can you tell me why? I know it's an advanced compound. I actually used methyl tren to round out my first cycle, I think it was bunk though. However, I still got sides. Sweats, horrible indigestion and acid reflux.

If I'm prepared to deal with the sides, what's the issue? I don't plan on cycling ever again after this cut cycle.

 

[IceIzNoble]

Tren is very suppressive.
You risk being shut down big time and with a PCT like that, you risk staying shut down.
Personally I think test and var with a good diet and cardio is more than ample to cut down on BF.

IcE

 

[Spades24]

Tren is very suppressive.
You risk being shut down big time and with a PCT like that, you risk staying shut down.
Personally I think test and var with a good diet and cardio is more than ample to cut down on BF.

IcE

I want to run the test at a higher dose than the tren, and run the test 2 weeks beyond the tren too.

Also what's wrong with a pct of

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/30/20/20

 

[jared530]

I would wait a few more cycles to run tren. Maybe eq or primo for the anabolic

 

[EZ_E]

I want to run the test at a higher dose than the tren, and run the test 2 weeks beyond the tren too.

Also what's wrong with a pct of

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/30/20/20

There's nothing "wrong" with that PCT, but it's minimal and there are wayyy better, more advanced methods of PCT..

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...apy/very-best-pct-2010-right-here-712121.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...ins-bouncing-back-cycle-steve-way-757101.html

~EZ

 

[Spades24]

There's nothing "wrong" with that PCT, but it's minimal and there are wayyy better, more advanced methods of PCT..

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...apy/very-best-pct-2010-right-here-712121.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...ins-bouncing-back-cycle-steve-way-757101.html

~EZ

This probably sounds like a callout, but I mean no offense. This board pushes Need2's products insanely hard. This is the only board I've seen that says to disregard standard PCT protocol and cycle support and to use everything from Need2 cuz it works better. If that were true, wouldn't his products spread to other boards as well? I know he treats you guys well with discounts and what not, but it definitely looks a little weird how hard you promote his products in every single thread on this board.

 

[obsessedwliftin]

This probably sounds like a callout, but I mean no offense. This board pushes Need2's products insanely hard. This is the only board I've seen that says to disregard standard PCT protocol and cycle support and to use everything from Need2 cuz it works better. If that were true, wouldn't his products spread to other boards as well? I know he treats you guys well with discounts and what not, but it definitely looks a little weird how hard you promote his products in every single thread on this board.

Ok first off, if you had done your research you would know that the nolva you have listed in your pct should never be run with tren or deca as you are begging for progesterone related gyno. Does it happen every time? No. But the risk is highly increased when using nolva and either of those two compounds. Second, the pct of unleashed and post cycle has worked for many on this board and does a much better job of helping me recover than the typical clomid bs that has more sides than it is worth. Third, and final, is that alot of other boards hate on those that have provided an alternative to their bro science and unfounded claims of using drugs to recover from drugs. Seriously, try it and see for yourself bro. If it isn't satisfactory to you then need to will refund 100% of your purchase price. Just food for thought.


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[Spades24]

Ok first off, if you had done your research you would know that the nolva you have listed in your pct should never be run with tren or deca as you are begging for progesterone related gyno. Does it happen every time? No. But the risk is highly increased when using nolva and either of those two compounds. Second, the pct of unleashed and post cycle has worked for many on this board and does a much better job of helping me recover than the typical clomid bs that has more sides than it is worth. Third, and final, is that alot of other boards hate on those that have provided an alternative to their bro science and unfounded claims of using drugs to recover from drugs. Seriously, try it and see for yourself bro. If it isn't satisfactory to you then need to will refund 100% of your purchase price. Just food for thought.


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I know that you can't use nolva while using tren or deca. Once it's out of your system though, I don't see the issue running nolva on pct when there is no tren in your system for the past at least 3 weeks.

I actually ran unleashed/post cycle/forma alongside clomid for my pct last time. I have no idea whether it made things easier or not, but I had no problems.

 

[obsessedwliftin]

I low dose clomid as well with certain cycles. If you used that pct and had no problems such as libido, loss of gains, ed, etc then it sounds like it worked. I still would not risk running nolva bro. That's just me though. The fact that the pct worked for you should be all the answer you need. The ultimate decision however is yours.

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[EZ_E]

This probably sounds like a callout, but I mean no offense. This board pushes Need2's products insanely hard. This is the only board I've seen that says to disregard standard PCT protocol and cycle support and to use everything from Need2 cuz it works better. If that were true, wouldn't his products spread to other boards as well? I know he treats you guys well with discounts and what not, but it definitely looks a little weird how hard you promote his products in every single thread on this board.

Post Cycle & Unleashed and Forma Stanzol aren't made by NTBM...

It can sound like anything, I recommend this PCT because it works for me.....You are free to run any PCT you like

~EZ