How were races created?

[Razorguns]

Okay, you INTELLECTUALs on the board:

Here's a simple but very complex answer --

How did races get created?

If all humans came from some little hole in the ground in siberia somewhere -- how did some people wind up looking like whites, some asians, some totally black, etc. etc.

Does weather have THAT much an impact on people's height, size, eye color, etc. Were there *multiple* holes in various parts of the world where the original humans sprang out -- and each one a little different from the other.

How did that black, white and asian man get created? Where did they come from?

I have yet to see a well researched study on this.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Yeah, and I'd like to see the Monkey to Man matrix that overlays the various monkeys to the races of men.

 

[Becoming]

as man spread to different areas, the groups were subject to geographic isolation and LOTS of time... take a class in human evolution....

(there was a good one in college in "race and evolution" EVERYONE was required to take - not a bad class, but not that hard either)

 

[PoyeBoy]

we are genetically enginered by aliens

 

[jerkbox]

you said hole.

 

[Zebo]

we are genetically enginered by aliens

Damn, beat me to it.....

 

[Razorguns]

so us monkey-men were smart enough MILLIONS of years ago to cross oceans and continents?

how could some humans be white with blond hair, and the same type of climate just 2,000 miles away -- results in asians. And one climate with hot desert results in arabs, and one climate with hot desert results in really black people.

And being neanderthals, and women not realizing the power of the tease and using men for money -- we all would've fucked each other crazy in every corner, so we all should've interbreeded eventually and came out looking the same. (??)

 

[PoyeBoy]

so us monkey-men were smart enough MILLIONS of years ago to cross oceans and continents?

how could some humans be white with blond hair, and the same type of climate just 2,000 miles away -- results in asians. And one climate with hot desert results in arabs, and one climate with hot desert results in really black people.

And being neanderthals, and women not realizing the power of the tease and using men for money -- we all would've fucked each other crazy in every corner, so we all should've interbreeded eventually and came out looking the same. (??)

ALIENS!!!

 

[Moderate_THIS]

Visit West Virginia for a week and witness first-hand how new species are created

 

[Apöllo]

God was cooking in his kitchen one day and he cooked a batch of people for too long and those became the black folks.

Next he forgot to turn on the gas and those were the white folks.

Third time he remembered the gas and didn't cook them for so long and thus created a perfect batch of Mexicans.

 

[Forge]

It has to do with how certain protiens in our DNA respond to adrenaline levels. Environmental stimuli slowly adjusted bodily fuctions of people in different climates, in turn their children recieved DNA that was slightly different. The protiens we are talking about only account for like 0.01% of our DNA, but that little amount acts like timers that control how our bodies grow from infanthood into adulthood. This is why every different race on the planet is (for the most part) genetically identical, but yet appear very different.

It's the same reason why we have hundreds of breeds of dogs, and yet every dog has virtually identical DNA. A great dane is 99.9% genetically identical to a toy poodle, yet they look nothing alike.

Evolution in motion.

 

[Becoming]

so us monkey-men were smart enough MILLIONS of years ago to cross oceans and continents?

how could some humans be white with blond hair, and the same type of climate just 2,000 miles away -- results in asians. And one climate with hot desert results in arabs, and one climate with hot desert results in really black people.

And being neanderthals, and women not realizing the power of the tease and using men for money -- we all would've fucked each other crazy in every corner, so we all should've interbreeded eventually and came out looking the same. (??)

Take N America/East Asia for instance - a long time ago there was an Ice/Land bridge across.... people crossed from North east asia and then were isolated for so much time that they became divergent... Those land migration took thousands of years and quite a few generations to complete... the people were evolving while they migrated into new areas...

Interbreeding was not frequent, even if people were right next to each other, they did not travel very far, and they only intermixed relatively infrequently, so gene transmission across even small distances was slow....across large distances would be very slow if it happened at all....
Rivers/Oceans/Mountains played parts in this isolation with primitive peoples (this is all before civilization) and of course TIME

When Iceland was crossed over to, that was much later, after civilizations developed, yet those people were extremely isolated and have such small population diversity they are genetically very like each other/and unlike others, and that was only (less than 1000?) years ago...

 

[UA_Iron]

so us monkey-men were smart enough MILLIONS of years ago to cross oceans and continents?

how could some humans be white with blond hair, and the same type of climate just 2,000 miles away -- results in asians. And one climate with hot desert results in arabs, and one climate with hot desert results in really black people.

And being neanderthals, and women not realizing the power of the tease and using men for money -- we all would've fucked each other crazy in every corner, so we all should've interbreeded eventually and came out looking the same. (??)

It was more like 12,000 years ago modern humans crossed the siberian land bridge (water levels 100m lower than they are today). Australia & pacific Islands were about 60,000 - 40,000 years ago. Humans at the time were smarter than most people think. They followed migratory bird paths and navigated by the stars to get to these islands.

 

[Becoming]

It has to do with how certain protiens in our DNA respond to adrenaline levels. Environmental stimuli slowly adjusted bodily fuctions of people in different climates, in turn their children recieved DNA that was slightly different. The protiens we are talking about only account for like 0.01% of our DNA, but that little amount acts like timers that control how our bodies grow from infanthood into adulthood. This is why every different race on the planet is (for the most part) genetically identical, but yet appear very different.

Dude don't ever try to talk science again.....

Third time he remembered the gas and didn't cook them for so long and thus created a perfect batch of Mexicans..

Word - mexican and italian chicks are the hottest....

 

[Y_lifter]

Environmental effects...

Lots of Sun (Africa) you have dark skin and brittle hair or you die
Cold and Snow and Sun(Alaska, Northern China) you have squinty eyes fair skin small flat nose to deal with the temp, block the glare or you go blind

Mix these and other basic combinations of environmental effects and you get the middle ground types (hispanic, anglo etc)

 

[Becoming]

It was more like 12,000 years ago modern humans crossed the siberian land bridge (water levels 100m lower than they are today). Australia & pacific Islands were about 60,000 - 40,000 years ago. Humans at the time were smarter than most people think. They followed migratory bird paths and navigated by the stars to get to these islands.

Good post - and that land bridge was there for a long time...

 

[RottenWillow]

Everybody know Dr. Yacub made the races.



Asalam aklakefront my brothers.

 

[hamstershaver]

why do black men have bigger penises

 

[BileStew]

One word:

Crayola.

 

[juve]

Actually, there is a belief that race in itself is a mere concept to account for the differences in the phenotypes across the worlds' populaion. However it was shown that the human DNA, as well as most of the integral comprising features among humans have very low variablity - we are virtually the same with the exception of a few features (personality?). The implacation is that 'race' has really no substance behind it, but is rather a means to differentiation and classification

 

[Forge]

Dude don't ever try to talk science again.....

WTF are you talking about? It's been proven in dogs, and is widely assumed to also be how humans evolved into different races. It's all about how animals on Earth (including humans) adapt to their environments differently.

 

[RottenWillow]

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Word - mexican and italian chicks are the hottest....

Hey you've got pretty good taste.

 

[juve]

mexican chicks are not on par with the 'southern' latin amerrikka - way below
argentinian, venezuelan, peruvian

argentians too temperamentall though!

 

[RottenWillow]

mexican chicks are not on par with the 'southern' latin amerrikka - way below

But with some very notable exceptions.

 

[juve]

But with some very notable exceptions.

Exceptions nevertheless don't raise the bar, they just make it worth looking at
anya, do you count yourself among excpetions?

 

[Becoming]

WTF are you talking about? It's been proven in dogs, and is widely assumed to also be how humans evolved into different races. It's all about how animals on Earth (including humans) adapt to their environments differently.

No... but it is not all wrong

-It has to do with how certain protiens in our DNA respond to adrenaline levels.
*This is completely wrong... DNA does not respond to adrenaline levels as a part of evolution... though adrenaline and other neurochemicals/biochemicals may play a part in regulation of protein levels which is also determined in part by DNA, but this is waayyy to general....

-Environmental stimuli slowly adjusted bodily fuctions of people in different climates, in turn their children recieved DNA that was slightly different.
*Your genes are the subject of random mutations and recombination through mating... over time these differences accumulate and result in exhibited trait variences... these trait variencea result in varying degrees of success of the affected organisms BECAUSE of the environmental stimuli, and not the other way areound...

-The protiens we are talking about only account for like 0.01% of our DNA....
This is why every different race on the planet is (for the most part) genetically identical, but yet appear very different.
*TRUE

-but that little amount acts like timers that control how our bodies grow from infanthood into adulthood.
*I don't know where you are getting this from.... telomeres? gene transcription/transduction/regulation??

-It's the same reason why we have hundreds of breeds of dogs, and yet every dog has virtually identical DNA. A great dane is 99.9% genetically identical to a toy poodle, yet they look nothing alike.
*TRUE

 

[RottenWillow]

Exceptions nevertheless don't raise the bar, they just make it worth looking at
anya, do you count yourself among excpetions?

Honey please. I'm hot.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Honey please. I'm hot.

tssssssssssssssssssssssss.

 

[Forge]

No... but it is not all wrong
...

Well, I'm not an expert in this and it has been awhile since I've read about it, but read these two links about the Russian fox farm experiment and then get back to me:

http://abc.net.au/animals/program1/factsheet5.htm

http://reactor-core.org/taming-foxes.html

"Physical changes mirror those in other domestic animals like dogs. The foxes display a variety of coat colours, many have floppy ears, and they all have a foreshortened head with a short nose and rounded skull.

Most telling are the changes in biochemistry. Corticosteroid levels, which are involved with the fear and stress responses, have halved and then halved again. Serotonin, the neurotransmitter associated with "calmness", has risen substantially compared with the wild fox.

So what has happened?

Hormones and neurotransmitters not only determine behaviour, but are also involved in the regulation of how an animal grows up it's ontogeny. Belyaev and his followers concluded that by selecting each generation for a certain behavioural and biochemical profile, they had affected the master genes that control development through to adulthood. They had changed the conductor of the orchestra. "



This has been theorized to be what also caused human diversity as well, as well as most other mammals. Of course, an experiment like this with humans would be much harder to implement.

 

[casualbb]

There are a lot of subtle racial differences, but the main one is skin color.

This is a result of adaptation to different lattitudes and the resulting sun intensity. As you move away from the equator, sunlight comes in at a steeper and steeper angle, reducing the light intensity.

In each group, it was a matter of balancing allowing in enough sunlight to synthesize sufficient vitamin D while blocking out enough so that the human doesn't sunburn continuously. So, starting at the equator where humans are pure black, skin colors lighten as you move towards the poles. Mediterraneans are lighter than blacks but still not white; norweigans are almost transparent in their whiteness.

Now it doesn't matter because we all get vitamin D from food. But back then diet was limited.

 

[Becoming]

Hormones and neurotransmitters not only determine behaviour, but are also involved in the regulation of how an animal grows up it's ontogeny. Belyaev and his followers concluded that by selecting each generation for a certain behavioural and biochemical profile, they had affected the master genes that control development through to adulthood. They had changed the conductor of the orchestra. "

This has been theorized to be what also caused human diversity as well, as well as most other mammals. Of course, an experiment like this with humans would be much harder to implement.

Dude you are right in a way, but it is not proved by this as far as evolution is concerned- we are speaking in terms of two different contexts....

There are two key phrases
1-"by selecting each generation for a certain behavioural and biochemical profile"...

Basically they were selecting for specific genes/gene expression levels... This is what the environment does (it determines which gene combinations will be more successfull and thus be a bigger part of the successive generations)

2-"Hormones and neurotransmitters not only determine behaviour, but are also involved in the regulation of how an animal grows up it's ontogeny"...

By definition Ontogeny means "The developmental history of an organism." or " the processes of growth and development of the individual from conception to death." it does NOT mean anything about evolution (which is based on actual genes, and not their use/activity), but rather the EXPRESSIONS of genes and the growth and development of the organism... it is well know that high stress levels can affect a organisms developmental rate and overall development patterns (ie giving a kid steriods can stunt development in a number of ways) these guys were not doing experiments as to mechanisms of evolution

In work that I personally have done previously, various chemicals/manipulations, etc CAN result in gene mutations, gene translocations, etc, in a variety of cells and tissues..... but the chance of this happening in any kind of gamete or offspring producing cell (thus affecting future generations) and resulting in a viable gamete or offspring if such an event were to take place is very low... (I did work in gene mutation/translocation in grad school)

gene mutations are RANDOM occurances the accumulate over time and result in differences in observed traits.... environment and other outside selective pressures (which is what the scientists played the role of in your study) then determine (by influencing the organisms fitness and survival success rates) which gene combinations will be passed on to future generations.... this is evolution...

 

[Razorguns]

okay that would perhaps account for skin color over a million years.

but it doesn't account for eye shape, height, penis size, and eye color.

 

[Deterass]

The Bible say's God changed us but i don't remember why.

 

[Roid Pimp]

You gotta love that Asian Hair on those Women..

Long, Jet Black and Shiny smooth..

And the patch is soo cool...

 

[Becoming]

okay that would perhaps account for skin color over a million years.

but it doesn't account for eye shape, height, penis size, and eye color.

casual gave a great example of how environmental stressors select for certain traits with time.... if your shade doesn't allow enough vitamin D to be produced- you will be at a disadvantage (to be strong enough to reproduce)... if it is too light and you get burned and get skin cancer and die- you will be at a disadvantage (to be strong enough to reproduce)

I believe asian eye shape has something to do with weather and high wind and snows that people in the mongolia region as an example are subject to..

I don't know what pressures eye color is related to... though it might also be related to skin color and light exposure...

Height and penis size, who knows...

Keep in mind also as a group splinters off some traits will diverge because of the selections of genes that are present, even in the presence of few or no pressures.... say the group is travelling and a small group of small penised people decide to stay somewhere along the way... that group will populate the area with those same traits/genes and may one day be known as "the area of the peope with small penises"

this is way simplified and funny, but hopefully you get the idea...

 

[RottenWillow]

okay that would perhaps account for skin color over a million years.

but it doesn't account for eye shape, height, penis size, and eye color.

Sure it does superguns. Over hundreds of generations a genetic mutation here and there creeps in (just like Becoming said) which is responsibile for a physical change in the offpsring of that man. There was a really interesting PBS program that aired back in January I think that traced gene commonalities from the first humans in Africa and human population spread across the rest of the world. The narrator was a researcher that took blood samples from people during his travels and would search their DNA for certain genetic markers that directly linked them to people living in other geographic areas.

 

[Roid Pimp]

Ever been snow skiing without goggles ?
Kinda blinding aint it ?

Imagine how much more successfull you would be as a hunter/gatherer if you could
see better due to having thin slanted eyes ?

Killing More Meat = More woman Meat = More offspring with slanted eyes..

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Ever been snow skiing without goggles ?
Kinda blinding aint it ?

Imagine how much more successfull you would be as a hunter/gatherer if you could
see better due to having thin slanted eyes ?

Killing More Meat = More woman Meat = More offspring with slanted eyes..

Wow, the above post is living proof that you can put 40 chimps in a room with a computer and not come out with anything intelligent.

 

[RottenWillow]

Imagine how much more successfull you would be as a hunter/gatherer if you could
see better due to having thin slanted eyes ?

Hmmm.....that does makes sense. My dark eyes and hair do make it easier for me to successfully locate good homestyle spanish cooking.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Hmmm.....that does makes sense. My dark eyes and hair do make it easier for me to successfully locate good homestyle spanish cooking.

See and it helps my wife find good homestyle Italian cooking.

 

[Roid Pimp]

Hmmm.....that does makes sense. My dark eyes and hair do make it easier for me to successfully locate good homestyle spanish cooking.

WELL Well well Mrs weakdumbugly..
It appears I am smarter than 40 chimps, even without a computer..

 

[Becoming]

Ever been snow skiing without goggles ?
Kinda blinding aint it ?

Imagine how much more successfull you would be as a hunter/gatherer in the snow if you could see better due to having thin slanted eyes ?

Killing More Meat = More woman Meat = More offspring with slanted eyes..

exactly

 

[the nature boy]

Wow, the above post is living proof that you can put 40 chimps in a room with a computer and not come out with anything intelligent.

I always wanted to see that happen.

 

[Roid Pimp]

I always wanted to see that happen.

But with one twist for Mrs weakdumbugly where they would also come
flying out his butt

 

[RottenWillow]

But with one twist for Mrs weakdumbugly where they would also come
flying out his butt

I need a roseta stone to decifer your last two posts.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I need a roseta stone to decifer your last two posts.

I think he's lithium deficient at the moment. Either that or they lowered the age limit to 9 for posting on here.

 

[Roid Pimp]

I think he's lithium deficient at the moment. Either that or they lowered the age limit to 9 for posting on here.

The only lithium I need is when I do you and i-do-anya-one a favor and lube it up before driving a plunger handle up your asses..

 

[RottenWillow]

The only lithium I need is when I do you and i-do-anya-one a favor and lube it up before driving a plunger handle up your asses..

I agree with your example of nature re-inforcing certain physical traits. A lot of people here, including myself, use posts as a springboard to make jokes.

 

[Roid Pimp]

I agree with your example of nature re-inforcing certain physical traits. A lot of people here, including myself, use posts as a springboard to make jokes.

Well, you started us down this road hon, and I'm not joking..

 

[Becoming]

jeesh this thread turned harsh all of a sudden...

 

[Roid Pimp]

jeesh this thread turned harsh all of a sudden...

My bad, I get a bit defensive being compared to a chimp when I try to
give a valid example.. Or someone saying they need translation when I
do speak up..