How to use Tamox?

[SAMV]

Hi,

there are different opinions on how to frontload tamoxifen?

80-80-40 and then go on with 20mg
is this good?

or better ideas?

 

[mikefear]

better ideas? don't use it.

stick with clomid and aifm/aromasin

 

[SAMV]

i will use an AI afterwards

 

[Dr. JK]

Hi,

there are different opinions on how to frontload tamoxifen?

80-80-40 and then go on with 20mg
is this good?

or better ideas?

What are you using it for?
If for prevention then don't bother frontloading
If combatting gyno----high dose (60-8mg) and then taper down as the lump gets smaller

 

[Dr. JK]

Hi,

there are different opinions on how to frontload tamoxifen?

80-80-40 and then go on with 20mg
is this good?

or better ideas?

What are you using it for?

If for prevention then don't bother frontloading, just stick to dose 10 or 20mg, depending your cycle and estrogen sensitivty\

If combatting gyno----high dose (60-8mg) and then taper down as the lump gets smaller

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I wouldn't bother frontloading Tamoxifen. You'll be fine without doing that.

 

[pentatonic]

No need to frontload, and i've never had to go over 20mg.

 

[SAMV]

i want to use it for combating a small gyno which i got about 8´days ago.

so in your opinion no frontloading needed, just start off wtih 20mg ed?

after (hopefully successfully) combating the gyno, i will use an AI. how many days shall i start the intake of an AI before stopping taking tamoxifen intake?

thanks

 

[pentatonic]

i want to use it for combating a small gyno which i got about 8´days ago.

so in your opinion no frontloading needed, just start off wtih 20mg ed?

after (hopefully successfully) combating the gyno, i will use an AI. how many days shall i start the intake of an AI before stopping taking tamoxifen intake?

thanks

I don't wait long enough to get gyno before I start taking Nolva. If my nips get the slightest bit sensitive or itch or even if i think they are puffy, I start Nolva at 20mg and usually take the rest of my cycle. Sometimes i'll drop down to 10mg. It's always worked for me so far.
I don't really understand how you all the sudden got gyno 8 days ago. Did you start getting symptoms 8 days ago or did you just notice a lump or puffy nips 8 days ago or ?? I have no experience of what to do once you get gyno, sorry. I only know to stop the symptoms once they start.

 

[SAMV]

it was like ..... i was starting a new cycle 100mg test prop eod (9days ago)... and just realized (really) few hours later something like gyno symtoms (itchiness, little pain) .... and i felt my chest and there was a small lump . i visited the doc ... and he said yes thats a gyno.

 

[Dr. JK]

i want to use it for combating a small gyno which i got about 8´days ago.

so in your opinion no frontloading needed, just start off wtih 20mg ed?

after (hopefully successfully) combating the gyno, i will use an AI. how many days shall i start the intake of an AI before stopping taking tamoxifen intake?

thanks

Don't fuck with gyno....hit Nolvadex 40mg/day and get the lump smaller. As it shrinks reduce the Nolvadex to 20mg and then coast through your cycle at 10mg/day

The longer the lump stays the more permanent it becomes....

 

[SAMV]

how many days does it usually takes till improvement is feelable?

thank you

 

[niv]

better ideas? don't use it.

stick with clomid and aifm/aromasin

pushing AIFM because you sell it is one thing (dont get me wrong i have it too) but don't tell people NOT to use something just cause you are selling something else.. tell them why aifm is better and let them decide for them selves.. come on guys enough is enough

 

[SAMV]

there are still 2 questions open. i ask you to help me please:

1. when shall i start with arimidex, how many days before stopping nolvadex intake?
2. how many days does it usually takes till improvement is feelable (lumps gone) after starting nolvadex?

 

[ALIN]

Hi,

there are different opinions on how to frontload tamoxifen?

80-80-40 and then go on with 20mg
is this good?

or better ideas?

if using with PCT 3 weeks would look like this
40mg wk1
30mg wk2
20mg wk3

 

[Varga]

there are still 2 questions open. i ask you to help me please:

1. when shall i start with arimidex, how many days before stopping nolvadex intake?
2. how many days does it usually takes till improvement is feelable (lumps gone) after starting nolvadex?

Listen cut the bs and do this(talking from experience here)

take nolva at 40mg for a few days then 20mg ED till lump is gone. Then if you still on the cycle go to 10mg ED. This takes around 5 days to notice a difference and 14 days for the lump to go down (generaly speaking here it might vary depending on each case).
My advice is to lower your test as well by 30-40% till the lump is gone then as you use 10mg of nolva ED for the rest of the cycle, increase the test a little at the time till you find how much you can do without geting gyno.
If you use arimidex your estrogen can plumit to low levels. IMO no need to use it right now especially with test prop only. If you are seeing no results in a week then use adex but it will be an overkill.

I know it's scary but just use nolva and you will be fine

 

[Mac173]

What did the lump come from? Everyones assuming it was estrogen.

 

[Slyder190]

Try 40mg/day for a week or so. If the lumps is still there, bump it to 60mg. I heard of some guys goin as high as 80mg/day, but I think you'll be fine with 60mg/day, but try the lower dose first.

 

[SAMV]

srf173: 100% estrogen-related gyno.

i heard tamox is somehow messing up IGF-1 levels or so? so its not so good for making gains. thats why i wanted to take an AI (arimidex) after the lump is gone.

 

[SAMV]

of course, when using arimidex, i dont want to make estradiol level go down to 0.
just to be in the reference (up to 50). of course i will have to make blood tests on e2, which i will do.

what is your general suggestions. how much adex is needed to keep estradiol in reference when taking 500mg test prop / week. 0,5mg eod?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

better ideas? don't use it.

stick with clomid and aifm/ aromasin

pushing AIFM because you sell it is one thing (dont get me wrong i have it too) but don't tell people NOT to use something just cause you are selling something else..

just to clarify, the AF Store sells neither clomid nor aromasin.

using AI's to treat gyno is well established to be more effective than tamoxifen.

however, the reccomendation was for on cycle ancillary use and post cycle. Since pre-existing gyno was not even mentioned until after.

as a note- in agreement with the above generally dont reccomend tamoxifen use on cycle, though you will find many that do reccomend it and not opposed to its use for treatment of gyno (however do reccomend AI's over it). Highly reccomend against tamoxifen when progestins are/were used. Also reccomend Clomid over nolva for PCT. (especially as noted when progestins have been used)

 

[niv]

just to clarify, the AF Store sells neither clomid nor aromasin.

using AI's to treat gyno is well established to be more effective than tamoxifen.

however, the reccomendation was for on cycle ancillary use and post cycle. Since pre-existing gyno was not even mentioned until after.

as a note- in agreement with the above generally dont reccomend tamoxifen use on cycle, though you will find many that do reccomend it and not opposed to its use for treatment of gyno (however do reccomend AI's over it). Highly reccomend against tamoxifen when progestins are/were used. Also reccomend Clomid over nolva for PCT. (especially as noted when progestins have been used)

what i said was not meant to attack you guys.. but its also not limited to this thread, i could ask what would be best to get evil spirits out of my house and mike's automatic responce would be A I F M.. believing in your product is one thing but common..

 

[Varga]

just to clarify, the AF Store sells neither clomid nor aromasin.

using AI's to treat gyno is well established to be more effective than tamoxifen.

however, the reccomendation was for on cycle ancillary use and post cycle. Since pre-existing gyno was not even mentioned until after.

as a note- in agreement with the above generally dont reccomend tamoxifen use on cycle, though you will find many that do reccomend it and not opposed to its use for treatment of gyno (however do reccomend AI's over it). Highly reccomend against tamoxifen when progestins are/were used. Also reccomend Clomid over nolva for PCT. (especially as noted when progestins have been used)

In so many words you are spot on -adex and letro is rough on the lipids though so you need to take that in consideration also, aromasin is milder and probably the better choice if you have the money to spend or find it cheaper

 

[Varga]

What did the lump come from? Everyones assuming it was estrogen.

He is taking test what else could it be?