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How to, um, LOSE muscle...?

Warthog84

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Hi. This isn't a usual request, I'm pretty sure, but I'm looking to LOSE some muscle mass. Of cousre, I'm not looking to gain any fat in the process. Here's the situation:

I'm 19, nearly 20. I've been working out in one way or another for about five yeras. It began as just weight-training for fun, then I wrestled for most of high school and finished off with a season of power lifting. Through that whole time, I maintained a body weight anywhere from 125 to 140. I'm naturally lean and only worked on "beefy" muscle for a few short periods, usually leaning towards more toned muscle.

Now I'm in college and still working out for my own sake. I try to eat decently, and certainly do compared to some of my peers, and I try to lift 3 days a week and run anywhere up to 5 days. The thing is, I feel unhappy with a bulkier body. My muscles aren't very round by any stretch, not in comparison to a lot of bodybuilders, but I still kind of want to drop some of this muscle and get more of a runner's body, lean with longer, thinner, ropier muscles.

From what I've gathered, a few things to do would be: 1) Run. A lot. Far, fast, and often. 2) Eat less protein, carbs...well, just eat less in general. I've done this before back in the wrestling/power lifting days to make certain weights, but I was trying to reach a number goal then instead of a "How do I look?" goal. 3) Less weight-training. See, in my mission to thin out more, I've gone from a number of sets with varying reps and weights to something like two sets of 50 reps with much lighter weight as well as some body-weight exercises. This has made SOME difference...but not all of it.

So, I guess what I'm asking here is if anyone has any suggestions on how to do this WITHOUT letting my existing muscle turn into fat. I've known well-built people who stop lifting and end up being the same size, just fat, not muscle. What I'm looking for, like I said, is a slighter, more cut and ropier physique, built for endurance and running more than strength. The problem is getting DOWN from where I am, not building up.

If anyone has anything -- suggestions, stories, or you see problems in my logic as to how I'm going to do these -- I'd really appreciate you posting them. Thanks!

-Will
 
To clear some things up in your post:

- Runners/bodybuilders have the same kinds of muscles. No one's is longer, or stretched out, or whatever. Runners just have a crapload less mass.
- Existing muscle does not turn into fat. Fat is fat. Muscle is muscle.
- To lose muscle, stop lifting.
- To avoid fat gain, diet well.
 
The reason people can get fat when they stop lifting, when you are lifting you burn up calories, also muscle burns more calories than fat does, people always want to turn fat into muscle, it doesn't work that way. It doesn't really matter if you eat high protein or low protein, you want to lower total calories, so you can lose weight, stop lifting and you will lose muscle eventually, make sure you do a bunch of cardio, so you can stay somewhat toned, it will also help you burn more calories and lose weight.
 
I imagine if you want to look like a runner that maybe you should stick with that run alot idea. and no speed work on the flat bench ( i just had to add that ) .
 
interesting....

i guess if your dont feel happy being "bulkier" thats one thing. but i doubt its very helthy to try and lose muscle mass on purpose.
 
Dont do it man!!!!! You're just feeling depressed. There are a lot of programs and support groups to help you get through the tough times. Call 1-800-STAYBIG , they have helped thousands of weightlifters avoid the downward spiral of getting small and longdistance running. You're in my prayers, good luck.
 
Creepusmaximus: Yeah, I fluxuated anywhere between 125 and 140 through high school and weigh about 144 now. Why do I want to do it? I...just do. It's an image thing, I guess. I'm interested in a more aerobic body.

From Zero: Thanks for clearing some of those things up. I knew I probably have misconceptions that I've picked up along the way so I'm glad someone caught them here. I never really knew much about the science of it aside from a few ultra-basics.

Isaac79: Thank you for the explanation!

spatts: Sorry -- first (well, now, second) time poster here so if this is the wrong forum for it, I must've just not understood.

Liftbig: You may be right. That's why I wanted to get some opinions as well as perhaps talking to some trainers or maybe even my doctor just to see if it's dangerous or anything. Thanks for the concern.

Warpath: Heh heh heh!

STEP OFF: Oh, I know! Believe me, yeah. I mean, I'd like to think I'm fairly cut right now, with all the reps and running and stuff. But I want to shed a little mass/size as well AND chisel more, as it were.

Thanks guys. Of course, if anyone has anything else to add, keep 'em coming.
 
I used to be a marathon runner a couple of years ago. If you run distance, it will just happen. You can even eat quite a bit and do it. Sprinting will allow you to keep quite a bit of mass also (so am guessing you will want to avoid that). Actually, any long cardio will do it (biking, cross country skiing etc). Just take care of your knees.
 
Faller,
I am an injured runner - can you say DEPRESSION!! I am able to treadmill walk and stair master. What do you suggest as I too want to kee body fat down. I usually run between 10-15 a day and have not been able to for 2 weeks - infact I don't think I will be running for a few months. Suggesstions appreciated!
 
Long cardio - run, swim, ski, etc. Diet down a little and keep you lifting light.

Are you looking for that 'swimmer's build' thing?
 
okay, I'd like to make a suggestion. If you want to lose some weight, make sure as much of it as possible is fat first, then if for some reasons you don't like having as many striations/size/whatever as you do, keep going with a calorie deficient diet, and you'll lose more muscle...

It isn't the "tonedness" of muscles that make one attractive, it is the lack of bodyfat. I bet you'd like your appearance if you just concentrated on fat burn so you could see your muscle "cuts" and striations.

I suggest sticking with a high protein moderate carb low fat calorie deficient diet, concentrating on fat loss, then worry about muscle loss once your down to super low bodyfat.
 
just start cutting.. once you're bf is as low as you like... decrease cal's further and voila... you will lose muscle.
 
Faller,
I am an injured runner - can you say DEPRESSION!! I am able to treadmill walk and stair master. What do you suggest as I too want to kee body fat down. I usually run between 10-15 a day and have not been able to for 2 weeks - infact I don't think I will be running for a few months. Suggesstions appreciated!

Sounds like you already have a good handle on it. Mind if I ask what kind of injury you have? My fave was the eliptical for when I wasn't actually "running". If you can't keep up you level of activity, you will probably have to lower calories to compensate. If I was in your possition (keeping in mind I don't know your injury) I would just switch to "off season" training which would include very little running, but more hiking, very light weights (high rep), and the bike and eclip.
 
The best advice I can give is if you want to look like a distance runner, train like a distance runner, and eat whatever the hell you want. I know some endurance athletes, and trust me, if you're running in the 80-100 mile per week range you can eat 10,000 calories a day and still lose everything except your skin and bones.
 
"Bulky muscle" is the result of two possibilities:

1. Fat and water, which makes it appear "bulky." This is the #1 reason people believe someone is bulky, mostly cause they are just fat (or rather, not at a desirable bodyfat).

2. Genetics. Peoples' muscles will shape up differently depending on bone length and other genetical factors.

Just concentrate on losing fat, and you will be okay.

-sk
 
erowana said:
How isit even possible for muscle to turn into fat when u stop lifting? Thats not possible.

Yes it is. The amide group is removed via a process (forgot the name, but it's a de-amination), and what's left from the amino acid will convert to fat. It does happen. Do a search on it.
 
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