How responsible is the UAW regarding Ford's situation?

[HiDnGoD]

I believe, here in Ontario, you have to have just cause to fire someone. If they aren't performing, it has to be documented. A lot of people get around this by laying off people, but the employer cannot hire someone else for the same position within a certain time frame.

 

[Spartacus]

more textbook crap!

"street" knowledge never makes it into the textbooks eh?

 

[spongebob]

And that part of your comment is technically correct. Union Joe can be fired for reasons outside his contract. He files a grievance, the union files an unfair labor practice (a 483 or 583 maybe? It's been about eight years since I dealt with the Teamsters), and the company (if found guilty) is responsible for reinstatement with back pay. So yeah, they can violate the agreement, but it just circles back to them and they have to pay restitution. Trust me on that one, I had to do it for four guys I fired in the mid-1990's. What got me was I didn't inform the union that I was going to fire them, so their union representitive found out from them instead of me.

your not picking up on what im saying, union hand joe can be fired for any reason and it doesnt have to be a reason outside his contract. at that point its up to union hand joe and the union to follow up. whether or not the firing was justified is another story.

now if joe is fired for a reason that his contract does not cover but his company policy covers then joe is shit out of luck. company policy supercedes a contract. but usually a contract is within the constraints of company policy.

now ofcourse state and federal law supercedes it all. but, if you have an issue that is covered under company policy and you have a contract backing it up, then your recourse is thru the union, not the govt.

and i have seen many cases of re-instatement with backpay after going thru arbitration. and ive also seen cases with re-instatement without back pay. and ive seen cases without re-instatement. yer fired!

 

[spongebob]

"street" knowledge never makes it into the textbooks eh?

i wouldnt say that but yea the subtleties and ins and outs of how it all comes together. matt knows i was just clowning anyways.

 

[spongebob]

I believe, here in Ontario, you have to have just cause to fire someone. If they aren't performing, it has to be documented. A lot of people get around this by laying off people, but the employer cannot hire someone else for the same position within a certain time frame.

good point about keeping documentation and that goes for employer and employee. it can work both ways.

 

[Spartacus]

i wouldnt say that but yea the subtleties and ins and outs of how it all comes together. matt knows i was just clowning anyways.

I'm suspicious if Matt author's all of his posts.
Glaring examples that in my mind contradict his otherwise Einsteinisc insight.
I think I misplladid "Einsteinisc"

 

[spongebob]

I'm suspicious if Matt author's all of his posts.
Glaring examples that in my mind contradict his otherwise Einsteinisc insight.
I think I misplladid "Einsteinisc"

lol, no im sure you spelled it right.

 

[Spartacus]

it was a while ago
I was following up a search which caused me to go back 2-3 years
I happened along a thread in which "addickt" I believe, or close was bearing his heart and soul
he mentioned somewhere along in his confession about making 40 grand a month
Matt replied with such a disgusting eclipsing post focusing on how diminutive 40grand a month was

 

[spongebob]

and for people who state that unions are no longer needed are naive and only looking at the surface. you dont take a dynamic issue such as this and just say we've reached equilibrium. the forces on both sides are constantly moving. i.e.

just look at the 8/hr/day or 40/hr/wk. its been circumvented. 12hr/days are the norm in my industry. and there is no ot after 8. technically yes but in reality no.

when most of the industry started implementing the 12/hr shift all they did was decrease the hourly wage to adjust for having to pay the ot after 8. and there you have it.

 

[spongebob]

it was a while ago
I was following up a search which caused me to go back 2-3 years
I happened along a thread in which "addickt" I believe, or close was bearing his heart and soul
he mentioned somewhere along in his confession about making 40 grand a month
Matt replied with such a disgusting eclipsing post focusing on how diminutive 40grand a month was

lmao!

from what i understand matt came from humble beginnings, a soldier as well. do you think his success(and god bless him) has gone to his head. i can see how easy that would be.