How responsible is the UAW regarding Ford's situation?

[MattTheSkywalker]

The unions got you those things.

Please tell me that you're not looking for the government to look out for your rights over a multi billion dollar corporation?

Unions got them.

They are enshrined in legislation now. They will never come back. The harsh work conditions you describe were necessary steps in a transition from an agrarian economy to an industrial one.

Unions played a role in the transition. The transition is long since over. Unions are no longer needed.

 

[javaguru]

Card carrying teamster during college. The first unions were organized over work conditions,worker safety, and child labor etc. Those are the things I'm talking about. Modern Unions only inflate wages and benefit packages beyond what the market would allow. Ironically, if every US worker was in a monopolistic union the auto workers relative wage would probably be $8.50 an hour after the economy recovered and adjusted.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

more textbook crap!

Funny, that's where most knowledge is located these days. But let's skip advanced education and instead look at the results.

Ford and GM use unions. Ford and GM are in a death spiral. They will never recover.

A first grader could see this.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

In Canada there is no worry over workers' and retirees' medical benefits, since you have National Health Care. Perhaps a similar system down here would prove to be a boon to US employers faced with huge worker benefits packages.

Not once you get a look at the liabilities on the books already in the public sector.

 

[big4life]

Uh, who do you think was on my teams? Who were the ones inputting past experience? Everyday production woes?

People off the floor.


Perhaps your "worldwide corporation" might become "world class" if they hired 'experts' who knew and understood that 1 and 1/2 people means 2. And that the 1/2 person relates more to per unit output and manning needs.


BTW - where do you think these lean manufacturing ideas originated from?

LOL!!!!

Without saying who I work for, most people consider their product world class. Their product is more expensive than their competition, yet people pay more for it, because it is the best made.

I've been a part of those teams that you talk about. I was the one the people on the floor asked to go. I expressed their opinions without worrying about bruising some manager's ego. I still have my job, still am over paid according to some on this thread, and I still give my opinion on things related to me or my coworkers.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Manufacturing in America is going the way of the dodo.

This should be hailed as a victory; the American economy is on the verge of growing past labor, and a shift should occur in our educational system to recognize this reality, but amazingly, unions among workers as well as educators are preventing this.

China can't thank American unions enough.

 

[75th]

you listed three factors for fords demise but lay most blaim on the workers. how do you attribute 'reduction in market share' to the union? how do you extrapolate shoddy construction to the workers. explain specifically how you came to that conclusion. i.e. 'ford is notorious for bolts falling out'. or is it shoddy design? which is a management problem.

what is salary workers costing them in pay and benefits? id really like to know that considering they are the ones responsible for R&D, sales, market shares. but you havent made a one claim of them being overpaid.

lmao at 'outrageous salaries'.

id argue with you about that and your mention of low skilled jobs but its pointless. my take is you've never worked in any industry, you really dont know the subtleties of what goes on, with unions and companies.

I worked two jobs during my 4 years at college. Both were unions, one was labor.

If I knew how the world worked back then I probably would have made a different choice in my employment.

 

[spongebob]

Card carrying teamster during college. The first unions were organized over work conditions,worker safety, and child labor etc. Those are the things I'm talking about. Modern Unions only inflate wages and benefit packages beyond what the market would allow. Ironically, if every US worker was in a monopolistic union the auto workers relative wage would probably be $8.50 an hour after the economy recovered and adjusted.

try taking any complaints to the govt for help, it aint gonna happen. thats my point.

 

[spongebob]

Funny, that's where most knowledge is located these days. But let's skip advanced education and instead look at the results.

you sound like your feathers are ruffled. haha.

Ford and GM use unions. Ford and GM are in a death spiral. They will never recover.

A first grader could see this.

cant argue with that logic. oh wait let me try.

bp's union refinery does 15+ million a day, unions are AWESOME!.

a preschooler could see that.

*NOTE* i am being sarcastic with my logic. a toddler could see that.

 

[spongebob]

Spoken (over and over again) like a true brainwashed union bitch.

Three of your points -
15 minute breaks

8 hour work day

time and a half after 8 hours

... I do not receive. Being salaried I work till my job is done. Some days 9-10 hours. Others a few less. But at least I do not have some lazy fuckoff with his hand in my pocket being paid to represent me.

Grow up, educate yourself, and sell your abilities to an employer - do not rely on some union board to look out for your best interest.



Get lucid.

shit most salery workers arent worth the hair on my nuts, talk about lazy faggots, thats a bunch right there. sitting in the office all day trying to sweet talk mary jane rottoncrotch. its fucking rediculous what ive seen. fucking nothing but emails back and forth about meetings. goddamn emails about emails confirming an email.

luncg breaks consist of all getting together and going in town for an hour and a half. then brigging thier fat asses back to the office for maybe an hour before making some excuse about going home. maybe putting in 7 hours at best, and most of that is emails and talking about doing work.

ive fucking seen it way too much so dont try and say anything any different. dont come off with some fucked up lame response about how thats just my company or companies that arent doing well, cause thats nothing but bullshit. a bunch of lazy overpaid fatasses.