How responsible is the UAW regarding Ford's situation?

[redguru]

Who do you want building your car, a group of people making $10 per hour, with a high turnover rate, or a group of people making $25 per hour, who have years of experience?


Before you think that a job requires no skill you should look closer. Just because it doesn't require a college degree doesn't mean that anyone can do it.

I would prefer a group of people making $8/Hr. I'd prefer the automobile to cost about 30% less. Quality sucks on US assembly lines with the $25/hr people, what makes you think that it would be worse otherwise? Paying a person more without giving them incentive to work harder or smarter defeats the purpose of merit promotion.

Quality should be built into a product, not deficiency inspected out. That's a different argument for a different thread.

 

[manny78]

Who do you want building your car, a group of people making $10 per hour, with a high turnover rate, or a group of people making $25 per hour, who have years of experience?


Before you think that a job requires no skill you should look closer. Just because it doesn't require a college degree doesn't mean that anyone can do it.

The guys working at the GM Boisbriand's plant were so qualified that most of them didnt a find a decent job. Guys who were once making 50k now handling boxes for 25k. I have one them working for me right now. Cool guy and all but it's obvious he got little to offer...

 

[big4life]

I would prefer a group of people making $8/Hr. I'd prefer the automobile to cost about 30% less. Quality sucks on US assembly lines with the $25/hr people, what makes you think that it would be worse otherwise? Paying a person more without giving them incentive to work harder or smarter defeats the purpose of merit promotion.

Quality should be built into a product, not deficiency inspected out. That's a different argument for a different thread.

So, where are these people making $8 per hour going to live? That's $240 a week, for food, shelter, clothing, etc..

Or is the cost of everything coming down because you got rid of that evil union?

 

[rnch]

you anti-union people amuse me.

where do you think your paid vacations came from?

sick leave?

15 minute breaks?

retirement plan?

8 hour work day?

time and a half after 8 hours?




do you really think all these benefits came out of the bottomless pit of compassion that management has for it's workers??


BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!

the uninons that ya'll so fashionably attack won all these rights for ya'll.


with side show bob in the white house doing his level best to take away all of your rights and his rich republican buddies backing him..... we are ripe for a return of the sweat shops of the early 1900's.

 

[redguru]

So, where are these people making $8 per hour going to live? That's $240 a week, for food, shelter, clothing, etc..

Or is the cost of everything coming down because you got rid of that evil union?

The cost of everything will come down, ask people in the rust belt.

 

[big4life]

The guys working at the GM Boisbriand's plant were so qualified that most of them didnt a find a decent job. Guys who were once making 50k now handling boxes for 25k. I have one them working for me right now. Cool guy and all but it's obvious he got little to offer...

How old were most of them? It's a little different for a 20 or early 30 year old to start over, as opposed to a person in their 40's or 50's.

 

[theoak01]

you anti-union people amuse me.

where do you think your paid vacations came from?

sick leave?

15 minute breaks?

retirement plan?

8 hour work day?

time and a half after 8 hours?




do you really think all these benefits came out of the bottomless pit of compassion that management has for it's workers??


BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!! the uninons that ya'll so fashionably attack won all these rights for ya'll.



with side show bob in the white house doing his level best to take away all of your rights and his rich repyblican buddies backing him..... we are ripe for a return of the sweat shops of the early 1900's.

unions had there time when they were a good thing,now the labour board provides all that,i never worked for some bullshit union and i always got these things

 

[big4life]

unions had there time when they were a good thing,now the labour board provides all that,i never worked for some bullshit union and i always got these things

The unions got you those things.

Please tell me that you're not looking for the government to look out for your rights over a multi billion dollar corporation?

 

[redguru]

you anti-union people amuse me.

where do you think your paid vacations came from?

sick leave?

15 minute breaks?

retirement plan?

8 hour work day?

time and a half after 8 hours?




do you really think all these benefits came out of the bottomless pit of compassion that management has for it's workers??


BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!

the uninons that ya'll so fashionably attack won all these rights for ya'll.


with side show bob in the white house doing his level best to take away all of your rights and his rich republican buddies backing him..... we are ripe for a return of the sweat shops of the early 1900's.

All of those "benefits" are negotiated by me, myself and I at time of hire. If those benefits are removed and I feel I am unjustly compensated for my work, I walk. Simple as that.

 

[manny78]

How old were most of them? It's a little different for a 20 or early 30 year old to start over, as opposed to a person in their 40's or 50's.

Of course it's harder, but it's also harder when all you got is a record of employment to justify your experience. No degree, no certificate, nothing. No one is going to pay 50k for the sake of it.