Bruce said:300-400mg ew is my magic number. 125mg ew if i am taking a high dose of eq with it.
partagus said:I think a lot of other factors account for how much you run per week. I think a first cycle is probably fine at 250 mg. For more advanced athletes and cycles, a higher dose is recommended. Although I think a gram of test a week is just wasteful and abuse.
*The_West* said:i want to know which two people are on upwards of 2g's a week and why
Kangazoo said:yeah, i saw that too and wondering the same
DBBT said:1500mg Test only right now. Why at that dose? To overcome a plateau that existed while at 1250mg.
b^u^m^pDBBT said:If you want to get bigger, you have to continue to up your doses when you plateau, plain and simple. If you are doing this as a recreational hobby, sure stick with 750mg test. If you are trying to get somewhere, needing to add size, it's your life, it's a goal with passion, you do what you gotta do and there's nothing that can stop you. If you have shitty genetics and are an ecto for example, you're going to be taking high doses eventually if you want to get the look you want. And it may take years. That's if you're willing to risk taking a higher dose knowing the possible sides. In addition to that you stay on year round.
eq works wonders with test but not at 10 weeks. it needs to be run for 14-20 weeks minimum and the more the better. at week 10 eq is just starting to kick inALREADYGOTAAS said:Does EQ work well with test? I am looking into about 250mg enanthate or sustanon for an 8-10 week first cycle, what's your PCT ?
hcg as needed throughout to keep my testes at size. i never let them get small. then i use winny or var for the last few weeks and the last week without any long esters while they clear. so after i stop test i'm on var or winny for that one or two weeks i'm waiting for the long esters to clear. a day after my last win or var i do clomid for 3 weeks at 50mg ed. i get all my pct from my doctor who is aware of my habits. clomid is what is given to males having trouble getting their wives prego. it is tried and true and i stick with it. nolva works as well but clomid is magic for me and i don't get moody with it. do hcg 10 days straight at 500ius ed to get testes going again .ALREADYGOTAAS said:Does EQ work well with test? I am looking into about 250mg enanthate or sustanon for an 8-10 week first cycle, what's your PCT ?
I see were alone in this...lololDBBT said:
jstarr37 said:You guys doing the higher amounts whats your experience leve?
what ur stats bro, and ur max compound liftsDBBT said:you don't start out taking a gram. started with a 200mg only cycle. as posted earlier, when you hit a plateau the dose goes up. This took years of cycling to get to. Sooner or later you decide to Johnny Bodybuilder takes? Why? What does it have to do with YOUR goals? What are YOUR goals? If someone is taking 3 grams of gear and is huge, a guy who takes a gram of gear in a 12 week cycle is NOT going to get to a level of muscle maturity that the dude with 3g's of gear has obtained over years and years. That make sense? Be patient. If it's 'in the cards' for you to be big or bigger or whatever you want to look like, you can do it. Takes time.
DBBT said:What if I said 500 for bench? What if I said 300? What if I said 700 squat? What if I said 400? It doesn't matter to YOU either way. How much can YOU bench? How big are YOU? Who cares? The only person who really cares about their look is themself. The doses anyone posts or talks about don't pertain to YOU. 250mg might get you yoked. 1500 might get you yoked. The lifts and reps and sets my stats whatever, it doesn't separate me or you from anyone. There are kids benching 350 and higher in high school. Do we ask them how much juice they are on? They sure aren't as big as bodybuilders so how'd they get so strong? Genetics, hard work, repeat.
exactly on the head. my best friend is 205 year round at 5 11 with single digit bf. he puts up 500 lbs 5 times no problem on bench. the guy has taken a bit of winny and thats it. its all genetics. he eats like a bird smokes cigs and has one protein shake. that is not what made him like he is. people think that learning what cycle a big guy or strong guy did will help them because they can do that cycle and look like that. not gonna happen. DBBT wassupDBBT said:What if I said 500 for bench? What if I said 300? What if I said 700 squat? What if I said 400? It doesn't matter to YOU either way. How much can YOU bench? How big are YOU? Who cares? The only person who really cares about their look is themself. The doses anyone posts or talks about don't pertain to YOU. 250mg might get you yoked. 1500 might get you yoked. The lifts and reps and sets my stats whatever, it doesn't separate me or you from anyone. There are kids benching 350 and higher in high school. Do we ask them how much juice they are on? They sure aren't as big as bodybuilders so how'd they get so strong? Genetics, hard work, repeat.
HAYEZ said:3 years ago the gram and up users would be dominating...... Everyones hiding
DBBT said:What if I said 500 for bench? What if I said 300? What if I said 700 squat? What if I said 400? It doesn't matter to YOU either way. How much can YOU bench? How big are YOU? Who cares? The only person who really cares about their look is themself. The doses anyone posts or talks about don't pertain to YOU. 250mg might get you yoked. 1500 might get you yoked. The lifts and reps and sets my stats whatever, it doesn't separate me or you from anyone. There are kids benching 350 and higher in high school. Do we ask them how much juice they are on? They sure aren't as big as bodybuilders so how'd they get so strong? Genetics, hard work, repeat.
There is a level when you have way surpassed your genetic limit when doses like that are going to be used, though for normal guys yes 2gms is a waste.todoveritas said:Many variables to consider here: 1) how long have you been on it; 2) what else are you taking; and most importantly 3) how are you eating. i find that 250-500mg Q week is more than enough if your cals and protein are in check. Cannot possibly see the need for 2 gms in anybody. IMHO it is simply $ being pissed down the toilet.
Bruce said:There is a level when you have way surpassed your genetic limit when doses like that are going to be used, though for normal guys yes 2gms is a waste.
the_alcatraz said:I think anything above 1000mgs and it's the same result....as in you wont notice that big of a diff
DBBT said:you guys kidding me? Anything over a gram isn't going to be a big difference?
Yea it's alot, blah blah blah sides, but there are benefits. I've heard, saw, seen, see the benefits. So maybe it's somewhat true that some see no difference gram to gram and everyone is different for real, but some people need ALOT more gear than others do. And that is a fact.
true....some have great genetics and grow off barely anything..DBBT said:you guys kidding me? Anything over a gram isn't going to be a big difference?
Yea it's alot, blah blah blah sides, but there are benefits. I've heard, saw, seen, see the benefits. So maybe it's somewhat true that some see no difference gram to gram and everyone is different for real, but some people need ALOT more gear than others do. And that is a fact.
the_alcatraz said:The most I've taken is 750mgs....honestly, I didn't notice any diff. in strength or size when I increased the test from 500mgs to 750mgs.....that's how I based my deduction that there would be no big diff. between 1gr and 1.25 grs of test. I have no real life experience with an amount that profound, but it seemed as I increased the dosages above 500mgs, it didnt do much for me.
That is you bro. I can tell you going from 500mg to a gram ew for me was a joke. And you are nuts if you think that 2000mg won't be different from 1000mg. It does not just stop giving more benefits at a certain point. Basing it off of your experience of 500-750mg is miniscule. Aside from that its all about the person. You may need more or less than some people. Some guys will grow off of a gram and others might grow that much off of 250mg. It all depends on how your receptors react to doses. Guys who get up near 250-270lbs and are lean, are most likely way above their genetic limit and you will need doses of 1.5-2gr a week of test. 2gr of test and a deca at a gram ew is not uncommon for a competitive bber and furthermore is not that large of a dose in that professionthe_alcatraz said:I think anything above 1000mgs and it's the same result....as in you wont notice that big of a diff
keyword brother is you based it off of no experience. I can tell you right now 750mg to 1gr is a huge difference. Never assume til you try. I promise you if you start running a gram right now and you are eating and training right you will no the difference.the_alcatraz said:The most I've taken is 750mgs....honestly, I didn't notice any diff. in strength or size when I increased the test from 500mgs to 750mgs.....that's how I based my deduction that there would be no big diff. between 1gr and 1.25 grs of test. I have no real life experience with an amount that profound, but it seemed as I increased the dosages above 500mgs, it didnt do much for me.
Bruce said:keyword brother is you based it off of no experience. I can tell you right now 750mg to 1gr is a huge difference. Never assume til you try. I promise you if you start running a gram right now and you are eating and training right you will no the difference.
the_alcatraz said:The most I've taken is 750mgs....honestly, I didn't notice any diff. in strength or size when I increased the test from 500mgs to 750mgs.....that's how I based my deduction that there would be no big diff. between 1gr and 1.25 grs of test. I have no real life experience with an amount that profound, but it seemed as I increased the dosages above 500mgs, it didnt do much for me.
DBBT said:Well let me ask you this. Why were you increasing the dosage? 500 to 750. Was this mid cycle, beginning, toward the end, why? AND how long did you maintain the 250mg increase before you 'decided' it wasn't making a difference? 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 8 weeks?
DBBT said:Well this whole increasing the dosages has to remain to be seen as user dependent. I don't know if you were bulking or cutting in that cylce. Cutting and increasing the dose really can be harder to see a big difference because of the caloric intake difference compared to a bulking surplus. No one should be increasing their doses just for the fun of it. There has to be a genuine plateau. A plateau in strength in the gym and/or physical gains and/or leaness desired. This is all assuming you are doing EVERYTHING you're supposed to be doing in regards to diet and training while trying to break this plateau. If you are cutting and you plateau you don't eat more. You adjust the ratios of food per meal and perhaps your cardio routine even. Then you can bump up 250mg for example.
I'm not saying is that higher doses are not 'where it's at' and that everyone should increase their dose. I'm saying that if you increase your dose, you SHOULD be able to break your plateau. You don't go week to week wondering if this week you'll need to up doses. When you get 'there' you'll know when and how. This information should pertain to guys that are doing this sport to compete and maybe for those guys that just do it for themselves. You gotta be very hardcore dedicated to this lifestyle. If you are not 100% dedicated to diet, training and supps then you are not going to get back what you put in to this sport. Yea there are risks, but to get that edge on someone else sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
the_alcatraz said:I ran a 12 week cycle of test, among other things...I increased the dosages from 500mgs to 750mgs week 8-week 11, I saw no diff in strength or visible diff in growth, apart from what I got with 500mgs....week 12, I swtiched back to 500mgs.
boyer said:If your taking 500 mgs test and the gains start to taper off you need 1 gram, because 750 isn't enough at this point.
the_alcatraz said:gains were constant....they didn't taper off.....but they didn't increase after I increased to 750mgs test...why would I have a reason to move up to 1gr of test?
the_alcatraz said:gains were constant....they didn't taper off.....but they didn't increase after I increased to 750mgs test...why would I have a reason to move up to 1gr of test?
boyer said:Because adding 250 to 500 mg isn't going to do much, but doubling the dose would have.
DBBT said:you didn't stay with the dose long enough
you would have noticed something unless it's synergy.
No one ever said you should. Just stick with what works for you. But as he said if you haven't run it for a while you are not going to feel the difference. Just saying 2grams is a waste is stupid. You have nothing to base that on. Saying that 500mg ew is enough for you....that is good statement and makes sense that you stick with that. I agree I do not compete and 400mg ew is plenty for me.the_alcatraz said:You make a lot of good points.
However, I don't compete in bodybuilding. I do it because of the love for the sport and my passion for lifting weights.
I understand what you're saying but I also know my body very well. Taking anything remotely close to 1 grs of test ew is a risk I dnt need and have no reason to put myself through...I do very well with 500mgs of test ew...
Well thats all fine and good, you do what works for you. I know what works for me and alot of others.the_alcatraz said:I noticed a big diff. between 250mgs and 500mgs....in less than a week...
I don't think that adding 250mgs of test shouldn't make a diff....and I don't think that I have to at least double it to see a diff.
how many cycles have you run bro. you are basing this info off of one cycle where you varied the test dose. in no way does this give you real world experience. i have run test at 250mg ew 500mg ew 750mg ew and a gram. i have done them all in separate cycles for extended times not just a few weeks. so i know and can tell you that the difference is huge. by your logic going from 500-750 made no difference so going to a gram from 750 would be no different. so a gram instead of 500mg is the same? makes no sense. I can tell you that every one of those cycles of different dosed test was way different and the increase is very noticable. me and dbbt have been running test for years now in different doses. noticing a big difference between 250mg to 500mg either was because you had just started to feel the roids period, or its in your head. though it wouldn't surprise me people don't see much off of 250mg ew but up near 400-500mg ew you really feel it. no matter what upping your dose for an extended time makes a huge difference.the_alcatraz said:I noticed a big diff. between 250mgs and 500mgs....in less than a week...
I don't think that adding 250mgs of test shouldn't make a diff....and I don't think that I have to at least double it to see a diff.
I have went from 750 to a gram and even higher. 100mg prop ed with 500mg sust eod and I can say 750 worked better for me.Bruce said:keyword brother is you based it off of no experience. I can tell you right now 750mg to 1gr is a huge difference. Never assume til you try. I promise you if you start running a gram right now and you are eating and training right you will no the difference.
For about 80-90% of this board 2g of test is a waist lol.Bruce said:No one ever said you should. Just stick with what works for you. But as he said if you haven't run it for a while you are not going to feel the difference. Just saying 2grams is a waste is stupid. You have nothing to base that on. Saying that 500mg ew is enough for you....that is good statement and makes sense that you stick with that. I agree I do not compete and 400mg ew is plenty for me.
Bruce said:how many cycles have you run bro. you are basing this info off of one cycle where you varied the test dose. in no way does this give you real world experience. i have run test at 250mg ew 500mg ew 750mg ew and a gram. i have done them all in separate cycles for extended times not just a few weeks. so i know and can tell you that the difference is huge. by your logic going from 500-750 made no difference so going to a gram from 750 would be no different. so a gram instead of 500mg is the same? makes no sense. I can tell you that every one of those cycles of different dosed test was way different and the increase is very noticable. me and dbbt have been running test for years now in different doses. noticing a big difference between 250mg to 500mg either was because you had just started to feel the roids period, or its in your head. though it wouldn't surprise me people don't see much off of 250mg ew but up near 400-500mg ew you really feel it. no matter what upping your dose for an extended time makes a huge difference.
drsketch said:Some good discussion in this thread, it turned out to be much more than I hoped!!
Thanks guys!!

jhondo said:DBBT, coming from only a TRT standpoint, I can say that 200mg/wk makes me feel really good in a "that's how I should feel" way. Can you put into words what it feels like to you, mentally and physically, to be on a gram or more a week of test?
Anyone can answer if you want.
a gram a week. 500mg doesn't do shit to me any more.
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