GoldenDelicious said:i never do 10-12 personally, but i hit 4 plates occasionally
personally i prefer the leg press. (no im not slack, put 25 plates on that bastard and see how slack you feel)
Sir-Que said:4 Plates!!!......I believe in pyramid sets so go 2 1/2 plates and then 4 plates 6-8 reps, 5-8 sets and then 3 plates for 2-3 sets and so forth...and it's off to the sled, etc.......I could go higher, but it's not about weight as much as it is about stressing my quads, and I train alone.
SQ-
The key to deciding whether or not to go up probably has more to do with your upper and lower back than your quads. I'm in the same boat in that I can bottom-out about 6-8 good reps (parallel, but NOT past parallel) at 415 and can even squeeze out 8 reps at 495 (5 plates / side) getting 1-2 inches from parallel. The problem is, a lot of your support muscles (i.e. groin, lower back, upper back) have to be ready to support the weight. You may be able to squat 500 easily, but if you accidentally rock forward or to the side by even some almost imperceptable distance (i.e. 1-2 inches), you may be instantly drawing on support muscles that aren't ready.shape said:i agree SQ- i too train alone and i always pyramid-but like i said how much is enough weigth when ones goal is adding size to the quads- again I could careless less about putting up weight-it does not matter to me I have no one to impress with my strength
for example- i had a knee problem(meniscus) so i took some time off from leg training except for extensions- i am looking to again compete in June of this year and my quads are seriously lagging behind my upper body-so i wanted to do a quick 3 month blitz and bring the quads up a few inches if possible
i started squatting yesterday
1 plate warm up for 20 reps
2 plates 18 reps
went up to three plates figured should start to feel heavy-( it didn't) 15 reps
so threw on 4 plates and said i am just going to lift it off rack and see how it feels-did fuckin 10 reps- no problem-no knee wraps-no belt-no spot
question is do i go higher or just do more sets -less weight??? again just looking to wake up quads????
I'm going to cap my squats at 405 for a while and do more with box squats, lunges, good mornings and deadlift first. Truth be told, the 495 sets are more about 1) Kicking your workout parter's ass and 2) Impressing the hottie who's streaching on the exercise mats that face directly onto the squat cage!carlsky said:Ya, my lower back is pretty weak, I geuss if I strengthened it a lot, my squat should skyrocket up to like 525 for 8
I agree with that... it's not just an issue of getting laid though. I'll try to dig-up the article (it was in Flex or MD or something that quoted the study ...). Basically they did bloodwork on males then sent them in for an interview to answer some questions. Some were attractive female interviewers and some where not. Post-interview, they did another set of bloodwork. The free test levels of the males that dealt with attractive interviewers were 30% higher. I'll try to dig-up the reference -- it's a good one!ceo said:and how often has that gotten you laid?
You're asking this question in the wrong forum. I don't mean that in a correcting way, I mean you're going to get bad info here. Check the powerlifting forum to get your lifts up.CNovaJason said:Let me ask this.....how do you strengthen your squat? I'm barely going down 3/4 of the way for 215 a couple of times.......My legs seemed stronger in highschool for some reason. Thanks to all who reply.
Yossarian2000 said:musketeer/superdawgy: is squats all you do for tat particular workout? I ask because I know if i did 10-20 sets of squats< id be totally cashed out afterwards...
genarr3 said:I've decided to institute a new rule. If you can't post a pic or video of your huge lifts you can't post the numbers. Sounds fair?
I believe your numbers. Actually I believe quite a few numbers posted. But we have too many variables involved. We have the bend the knee's 1/4" and call it a squat and that sort of nonsense. So we sort of agree. Don't post numbers. If you can prove it cool, otherwise keep it to your self.psychedout said:LoL. See avatar.
Also, numbers really shouldn't matter. Unless your are a plifter.
genarr3 said:I've decided to institute a new rule. If you can't post a pic or video of your huge lifts you can't post the numbers. Sounds fair?
genarr3 said:I've decided to institute a new rule. If you can't post a pic or video of your huge lifts you can't post the numbers. Sounds fair?
I completely agree! I will post a pic in the next 2 weeks of my squats. I am totally behind genarr's post. I think people have a tendency to exaggerate their lifts. I'm not saying that everybody is doing that, I'm only saying that it seems strange that everybody is squatting over 405, it may be a coincidence but it seems odd nonetheless. I have seen time and again guys going into Golds or 24hr, throwing 3 or 4 plates on each side and only squatting a 1/4 to 1/2 of the way to parallel. Then these same guys go around bragging to anyone that will listen about these big poundages that they are lifting. I have seen that happen countless times. Once in a while I get the chance to call somebody on it. This kid had toothpick legs and was trying to tell me and my buddy about his 315 squat. I happened to walk in the next day when he had just started doing legs and asked him to show me. He puts on 3 plates and can barely even unrack it. Then he starts to go down and about 3 inches in, his legs buckle and he goes down like a sack of potatoes. Luckily the safety bars were in place. The guys that lie about their lifts aren't always kids, about 60% of the ones I catch doing it are 30+.genarr3 said:I believe your numbers. Actually I believe quite a few numbers posted. But we have too many variables involved. We have the bend the knee's 1/4" and call it a squat and that sort of nonsense. So we sort of agree. Don't post numbers. If you can prove it cool, otherwise keep it to your self.
musketeer said:I can squat 135 for 50 deep reps AFTER doing the heavy stuff - it's a fucking trip , believe me. 225 for 25 reps is a bastard too.
shape said:genarr - i do not think anyone is talking real big squat numbers here-like it was stated if you weigh between 215-230 you should be able to do a few reps with 405- as i stated in my opening post i really could care less if i am the weakest guy in the gym numbers wise-means nothing to me- i am looking for a sure fire 3 month program to add 2-3 inches to my quads-if indeed that is a possiblity at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shape said:i agree SQ- i too train alone and i always pyramid-but like i said how much is enough weigth when ones goal is adding size to the quads- again I could careless less about putting up weight-it does not matter to me I have no one to impress with my strength
for example- i had a knee problem(meniscus) so i took some time off from leg training except for extensions- i am looking to again compete in June of this year and my quads are seriously lagging behind my upper body-so i wanted to do a quick 3 month blitz and bring the quads up a few inches if possible
i started squatting yesterday
1 plate warm up for 20 reps
2 plates 18 reps
went up to three plates figured should start to feel heavy-( it didn't) 15 reps
so threw on 4 plates and said i am just going to lift it off rack and see how it feels-did fuckin 10 reps- no problem-no knee wraps-no belt-no spot
question is do i go higher or just do more sets -less weight??? again just looking to wake up quads????
shape said:i agree SQ- i too train alone and i always pyramid-but like i said how much is enough weigth when ones goal is adding size to the quads- again I could careless less about putting up weight-it does not matter to me I have no one to impress with my strength
for example- i had a knee problem(meniscus) so i took some time off from leg training except for extensions- i am looking to again compete in June of this year and my quads are seriously lagging behind my upper body-so i wanted to do a quick 3 month blitz and bring the quads up a few inches if possible
i started squatting yesterday
1 plate warm up for 20 reps
2 plates 18 reps
went up to three plates figured should start to feel heavy-( it didn't) 15 reps
so threw on 4 plates and said i am just going to lift it off rack and see how it feels-did fuckin 10 reps- no problem-no knee wraps-no belt-no spot
question is do i go higher or just do more sets -less weight??? again just looking to wake up quads????
shape said:good thread guys thanx for all the replies
lastly- free squat vs. Smith---- any real difference-i am more controlled with the smith and feel i can target the quad easier
I'll smith squat once in a blue moon where you can position your feet more forward (a little, not a ton) and really isolate my glutes and quads. In general, I think free squats are vastly superior in terms of total-body strength.shape said:good thread guys thanx for all the replies
lastly- free squat vs. Smith---- any real difference-i am more controlled with the smith and feel i can target the quad easier
I wish I could give you super karma for this post, but regular will have to do. Seeing that shit to me is like biting into a lemon.Got2GetRipped said:I use about 365-385 on my 10-set.I hate dudes with tiny ass legs that go down like not even a quarter of the way down and act like there all strong and badass.
Go down below parallel or don't even bother, I say.
I'd say even less then 10%. Which is why I want photo's or videos. Too much bullshit here.mrplunkey said:Guys... look at the poll though. This board's viewership *easily* peaks at 350-450+ people (which probably translates into 1,000 or even 1,500 active accounts). Then consider this... You're probably much less likely to vote in a poll like this (or even open the thread) if 135 is kicking your ass. Taking that all into consideration, the fact that only 21 guys have votes (at this time) that they do 315 (3 wheels/side) or more is pretty remarkable.
I'd think that in any serious gym (read: no leg warmers, geriatric patients or tennis wives) that at least 10% of the male, acvite members could get 3 wheels up for one rep with reasonably good form. In a hard-core gym, I bet that number spikes up to 35% or more.
LOL - "If you weigh 215 - 225 you should be able to do 405 at least a couple of reps" Have you spent much time in gym? Have you been under a bar with 405 on it? It takes at least a few years of squating to work you way up to those kind of weights with proper form. At that weight class only the dedicated few that work more then beach muscles can do it. Most just spend their time bench pressing, arm and back work with an occasional leg day. I spend alot of time on the A board because I'm a moderator here, but truth is half the people here should be spending their time on the training board. I see this due to the emphasis put on drugs, when it should be put on proper training.SuperDawgy said:After going back through the thread, i haven't seen any numbers that look too far out of whack. If you weigh 215-225 you should be able to get at least a couple reps with 405. The highest i have seen here was Carl saying that he could get 455 for 7-8. I'm not doubting that he can, i'm just saying that that was about the best anyone has posted. I have said this in the past and will openly admit to it, my squat is not my best lift and i rarely go past 315 anymore because at 31 my back isn't what it used to be. I put a tape to my quads this morning and was suprised to find that i'm only carrying 25" wheels (around the largest part). But with a 28" inseam, they look bigger than most.
genarr3 said:LOL - "If you weigh 215 - 225 you should be able to do 405 at least a couple of reps" Have you spent much time in gym? Have you been under a bar with 405 on it? It takes at least a few years of squating to work you way up to those kind of weights with proper form. At that weight class only the dedicated few that work more then beach muscles can do it. Most just spend their time bench pressing, arm and back work with an occasional leg day. I spend alot of time on the A board because I'm a moderator here, but truth is half the people here should be spending their time on the training board. I see this due to the emphasis put on drugs, when it should be put on proper training.
I've been weight training a long long time, and worked out at many gyms and spent too much time at powerlifting meets to buy this. It's not a common thing to see people in the squat rack period let alone properly repping 405.
This kind of talk makes me laugh. And it disrespects all those that CAN do it.
In that case I respect your position. If I were you I'd ask this question on the training board. There are a lot of very knowledgeable people there that could help you a great deal.shape said:genarr --just to clarify my case-i am 35 years old been lifting since 14 years of age i am 5'7" 231 pounds at right now about 13%-have 19' arms cold 48" chest- 34 waist --heres my problem right now 26' quads-look tiny compared to upper body-that is why i am asking advice on adding quad size-as you can see in every one of my threads -i could give a fuck less about weight and have no one to impress with numbers- and really if anyone on this thread is bragging about unrealistic numbers -who really cares-that is there problem-i am still just looking for sound advice period-let everyone talk shit about their lifts that is something in there head-again who gives a fuck
genarr3 said:In that case I respect your position. If I were you I'd ask this question on the training board. There are a lot of very knowledgeable people there that could help you a great deal.
If you want me to I'll copy the entire thread there. But IMO you'll get too many comments on other posts made here and never get your question answered. It's up to you. If it were me I'd just copy and paste your first post.shape said:thanks alot- i will give a shot
BTW-is there any way of cutting and pasting this entire thread into the training forum???
genarr3 said:If you want me to I'll copy the entire thread there. But IMO you'll get too many comments on other posts made here and never get your question answered. It's up to you. If it were me I'd just copy and paste your first post.
bullshit look at all the great squatters-Goggins, Platz-They didnt get that way from going parallell-they go DEEP!!!! Thats still working youre quads, even though youre hitting your glutes too.shape said:are we calling a legit squat ass parralell to knees -not above not below-anything below that your working your ass not quads
BionicBC said:bullshit look at all the great squatters-Goggins, Platz-They didnt get that way from going parallell-they go DEEP!!!! Thats still working youre quads, even though youre hitting your glutes too.
Bionic
genarr3 said:LOL - "If you weigh 215 - 225 you should be able to do 405 at least a couple of reps" Have you spent much time in gym? Have you been under a bar with 405 on it? It takes at least a few years of squating to work you way up to those kind of weights with proper form. At that weight class only the dedicated few that work more then beach muscles can do it. Most just spend their time bench pressing, arm and back work with an occasional leg day. I spend alot of time on the A board because I'm a moderator here, but truth is half the people here should be spending their time on the training board. I see this due to the emphasis put on drugs, when it should be put on proper training.
I've been weight training a long long time, and worked out at many gyms and spent too much time at powerlifting meets to buy this. It's not a common thing to see people in the squat rack period let alone properly repping 405.
This kind of talk makes me laugh. And it disrespects all those that CAN do it.
SuperDawgy said:Speaking of disrespect. Your entire post stinks of it...for me and for the vast majority of the guys that have spent time posting on this thread that can and DO use the weights that they have claimed. Have i ever had 405 on my back? The answer is yes, and much more! How much time have i spent in a gym? Counting the 5 years that i worked in one...14. What i don't understand is how you can automatically call bullshit on pretty much everyone here? What basis are you making your call on? Obviously your "life experience" has made you the ultimate authority of what people across the country are capable of lifting. I train at a gym that has a heavy emphasis on powerlifting, and 405 is a common squat for many of the regulars. I don't know what kind of gym you are a member of Gen, nor do i really care...but when you make blanket accusations ,make sure you have a leg to stand on.
*btw...i just got off the phone with the strength coach at a local high school. His football team has 5 KIDS that have recorded squats over 450 this year...here's the kicker, 4 were under 200lbs. Oh yeah, it's a AAA school!*
genarr3 said:I've been weight training a long long time, and worked out at many gyms and spent too much time at powerlifting meets to buy this. It's not a common thing to see people in the squat rack period let alone properly repping 405.
This kind of talk makes me laugh. And it disrespects all those that CAN do it.
gamorrah said:In my 20's I did 315 for 8-12
at 37 I do 225 x 10, friggin hurts the thoracic
Seems like alot of squatters are on this thread, so I have a question?
If I have some back issues and want to get away from heavier squats.
Can I get the same level of stimulation doing dumbell lunges? say 65 lb dumbells for walking lunges? The leg press just does not do it for me.
Dial_tone said:I've been lifting at a 24-Hour Fitness in Cali since July. I've only seen one guy squat or bench 4 plates and both were a single.
Lumberg said:Lunges are great, but when I do them (with 60s BTW as high as they go in my gym) I get most sore in my adductors, glutes, and them hammies. If my quads are sore it's down towards the knee.
I would do heavy DB squats. Or That one where you hold the bar between your legs.
needsize said:455 x 8, 465 x 6, ass to the floor, no belt or wraps were my best, and I have videos kicking around here of them.
I personally would like to see some videos to see some of the squats posted on here, as it is the internet and anyone can claim anything. And it doesnt even remotely come close to being called a squat, unless it is to parallel, but to the floor is even better. And saying that will give you a huge ass is an old wives tale, I squat very heavy all the way down, and have built some pretty huge quads out of it, and my ass is no where near too big. More often than not that thats an excuse to avoid the drop in working weight when you go all the way down
rtnhrtnh said:Where the FUCK is the "one plate each side" option?![]()
judging by your avatar youve been doing plenty of squats with the bars between your legs, because your C**k is gone bro.Lumberg said:Lunges are great, but when I do them (with 60s BTW as high as they go in my gym) I get most sore in my adductors, glutes, and them hammies. If my quads are sore it's down towards the knee.
I would do heavy DB squats. Or That one where you hold the bar between your legs.
shape said:nice numbers bro-but do you not feel that when you go past parallel you releive pressure from the quad???
also I am off the mindset that narrow stance smiths allow you to target the quad more- ok the free-squat is an "overall mass builder" blah-blah-blah-but if your goal is just to increase quad size do you not think the smith is better???? better control easier to feel the quad working
what do you think???
Lowest said:DAMN NS... you're huge off-season in that video. Looks like I did last winter... only you're about 40lbs heavier and 5 inches taller, lucky bastard on both accounts. You really do go ass to ankles. I'm short, but with a stance that narrow I can barely make parellel without falling over. With a wide stance and low bar I can get really low, but that works my low back and inner thighs more than quads. Can I come train with you? I must learn from the master![]()
Lowest said:Same here. I started off squatting plifter style, very wide stance and low-bar. Got strong-ass low-back and huge inner thighs, but not much quad work. Now I do much more narrow-stance, high-bar squats, bber style, but I just don't have the balance to go that low anymore, parallel is the best I get. I sink ass to ankles on smith machine front squats though, I love those! And bro, I would love to come train with you too, my last partner just stopped lifting after his first competition. I even love cold weather, but unfortunately, due to my greedy desire for money and the ability to get free drugs, I must stay here and finish my pharmacy degree. Damn greed, and lack of good workout partners!![]()
needsize said:thanks, I would love some company in the gym since alltraps has found himself a new training partner.....sniff...I was only around 245lbs in that video, and was 260lbs about a month ago
I do know there are some parts to my form that could stand some work, but I've been doing it so long that its hard to change now

shape said:how many plates are you guys throwing on for reps- i am interested strictly in adding size to my quads-i could care less about how much i can squat or how strong i am
Lowest said:haha, i'm about to go on a cruise tomorrow in the carribean for 5 days, but it's not cold here... 40's at night, I sleep with the windows open!
alltraps said:hey cockknock, i went looking for a partner cuz you only train YOUR way, and will never do anything else. im not into that. i like variety and science behind my training, not just adding 5lbs a week and doing the exact same exercises in the same order week in week out. plus, how many times have to called me and asked me what time "I" want to train at???? NEVER! if i want to train with you, I have to bow down to the king and be there when you are. so fuck you!![]()
liquidmuscle said:i hate leg days
shape said:how many plates are you guys throwing on for reps- i am interested strictly in adding size to my quads-i could care less about how much i can squat or how strong i am
shortstack said:2 plates for a watm up, then i do 315 for 12 reaps, the 315 for 10 then 315 for 8 then a plate and a half for burnout
needsize said:I do agree that narrow allows a little more quad stimulation, but you cant go rock bottom on too narrow a stance.
I dont think that the quads relax at all below parallel, I get a much bigger pump when I go that far. I've done a lot of experimenting, and all the way down has definitely done the most for quad development
Heres an old video, 455 x 7, so you can see my form, its old and I've squatted heavier since, but you get the idea. I do lean a bit at the bottom though, but notice no belt or wraps
squat 455 x 7
im gonna try this this month, let u know how it went. pm me if u have naymore advice. thanx bro.musketeer said:You will not believe how much of a base you will build for squatting by doing the 20 sets of 20 reps routine for one month. You will need just the empty bar. You will not lose any strength, you will be stronger coming back than you have ever been.
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